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  • #41
  • Oct 2, 2023 11:01pm Oct 2, 2023 11:01pm
Quoting Timetraveler
{quote} I guess I owe my apologies but you got it out of my system as my "tangent" is to tell the world HOW I TRADE and find unusual hurdles, everybody come as sceptics on the creator on why this and why that as if true then the scam is on their side and you sounded, maybe still, like one as you keep eyes off the ball. You have to resist, unless against your interests but that will be obvious in no time, to look what happens to Bill Gates, if he has tons of time investors and where is time there is money that costs more than money nowadays which...
I also want to mention that Fin-Tech (Financial Tech) is really hot among angel investors. Money is pouring like anything into new financial products. The fact that you are having a tough time finding investors should tell you something.

Let me give you an analogy:

Someone claims they have invented a cure for cancer. How does one move to the next stage of proving to the world; getting the drug into the market; helping others while making ton's of money. These are some approaches:

1. The guy is already a renowned expert in the medical field and is a titan and already has an astounding body of contributions to the field.

2. The guy is an unknown, but says, hey give me X number of cancer patients and i will cure them and the medical community can watch.

3. The guy is an unknown and but educates the medical community on what barrier he was able to conquer while protecting his IP(Intellectual Property).

In my opinion you fall under category 3, but it seems you are unwilling to acknowledge that the way you presented is not making any headway. Looks like if you are really earnest in what you want to achieve, you would tweak the approach, may be find somebody who can relay what you want to say in a productive manner. Solve this problem and you can even look at crowd sourcing and see the interaction jump to 10x.

Thanks
  • #42
  • Oct 3, 2023 1:38pm Oct 3, 2023 1:38pm
I'm waiting for KSO to the + range and TermTrade and Cyclicality to match color for the upside (green/gold) before taking a trade to the upside. How many matching n's on the KSO/Cyclicality/TermTrade do you wait for determining Inverse On, entering to the reverse move, full n-6n or less n's (assuming arrows match to the upside)?
Thanks
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  • #43
  • Oct 4, 2023 11:20am Oct 4, 2023 11:20am
Quoting aaven
{quote}
Hi, A bit productive discussion we had. PRODUCTIVE TO YOUR POV NOT MINE AND SURE NOT THREAD'S

This is not an attack or me trying to get one-upmanship, I encourage you to ponder this aspect ANYWHERE AWAY FROM THE BALL WHICH IS MAKING MONEY FROM THE MARKET:
You mention: "Just don't tell me you want the AHA that hit him hit you on the spot after skimming once twice and couple days screentime." There are many systems/models of markets with from basic to esoteric ranging from moving averages, geometry shapes and even astronomy. As a viewer, how is what you present (chaos) different from models say based on astronomy? IN ASTRONOMY THEY USE EUCLIDEAN WE USE FRACTAL
1. The authors have presented concepts that are supposed to be simple and could be understood,but the viewers don't. WE'RE NOT A DECADE AGO THERE ARE VIEWERS WHO GET BECAUSE THEY A) ACTUALLY TRIED AND B) WHERE SMART
2. The authors say everything that is needed to be successful is already given out and is the fault of viewers for not putting in the effort. TRUE
3. The author says the market is absolutely governed by astronomy FALSE and everything else is hogwash. TRUE
4. The author says it is the viewers loss if he is not able to understand. (HE IS NOT ABLE TO UNDERSTAND?)
5. The proof is in the eating the pudding, the author never shares any credible proof that it makes money. HE IS A MATHEMETICIAN NOT A TRADER AND YOU AREN'T BOTH. YOU DODGED TWICE MY-MY-MY PROOF OF TIMESTAMPING WITH POSTS OF MY TRADE OR THE DOWNLOADABLE LINK BECAUSE IT DOESN'T SERVE YOUR POV NARRATIVE

While you are tempted to think, i am trying to undermine and insult you, it is not the case. I am encouraging you to realize from where we (the viewers) stand that the orbit tool (as of this moment) looks like any other system or model that 100's in numbers that are scattered through the forums. I WAS A VIEWER LIKE YOU ONCE, MOREOVER WITHOUT TODAY'S SPOONFEEDING, BECAUSE I SAW MERIT AND VALUE STANDING OUT LIKE A SKYSCRAPER LIKE ALL OF YOU EXTENSIVE RESEARCHERS OF ORBIT'S WHEREABOUTS SEE BUT CAN NOT GET --->
I see that on the other site, more than 1500+ posts have gone by and you yourself are confounded why people are not able to understand orbit. I ADMIT I EXPECTED THE ENVIRONMENT WOULD BE MORE FAIR AND SMART ESPECIALLY IN FF BUT I WAS WRONG BUT IN THE END THAT'S LIFE

Let me flip the situation and if you were told that W.D.Gann's work is the key and offered no concrete evidence, would you be willing to devote thousands of hours? I INVEST ONLY THE AMOUNT I CAN FOR DUE DILIGENCE. I HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT GANN, ELLIOT, ETC AND INVESTED THE AMOUNT OF TIME TO TEST THEM IF I UNDERSTAND HOW IT CUTS, HOW MUCH ETC AND IF IT WAS FOR ME. FOR ONE OR ALL THE REASONS ALL APROACHES FAILED LIKE I'VE BEEN TOLD TOO BUT THERE'S NO SHORTCUT TO KNOWLEDGE. Thanks[/quote]
THANK YOU FOR KEEP WONDERING
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  • #44
  • Oct 4, 2023 11:51am Oct 4, 2023 11:51am
Quoting aaven
{quote}
I also want to mention that Fin-Tech (Financial Tech) is really hot among angel investors. Money is pouring like anything into new financial products. The fact that you are having a tough time finding investors should tell you something. IT TELLS ME NOTHING

Let me give you an analogy: Someone claims they have invented a cure for cancer. How does one move to the next stage of proving to the world; getting the drug into the market; helping others while making ton's of money. FALSE

These are some approaches:
1. The guy is already a renowned expert in the medical field and is a titan and already has an astounding body of contributions to the field. HE IS A FRONTMAN
2. The guy is an unknown, but says, hey give me X number of cancer patients and i will cure them and the medical community can watch. SURE LET'S MAKE A TURTLE-LIKE EXPERIMENT AND YOU PROVIDE RESOURCES.
3. The guy is an unknown and but educates the medical community on what barrier he was able to conquer while protecting his IP(Intellectual Property). HE GETS ROBBED BY THE INDUSTRY AND ROYALTIES GO TO A FRONTMAN

In my opinion you fall under category 3,YES INDUSTRY IS ON THE MOVE but it seems you are unwilling to acknowledge that the way you presented is not making any headway. TOWARDS YOU NO, OTHERS YES Looks like if you are really earnest in what you want to achieve, you would tweak the approach, may be find somebody who can relay what you want to say in a productive manner. I'M TRYING AND YOU DON'T LET ME BECAUSE YOU WANT ANGEL INVESTORS YESTERDAY AND CLOUD TO HAVE A BUTTON TELL YOU YOU'RE SMARTER BECAUSE YOU WALKED THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE Solve this problem and you can even look at crowd sourcing and see the interaction jump to 10x. PERSONALLY I NEVER WANTED TO BE RELEASED BECAUSE IT WILL END IN VERY WRONG HANDS AND YOU ALL ARE EXTREMELY LUCKY BECAUSE HE'S A STUPID GENIOUS Thanks[/quote]

THANK YOU FOR GATHERING ALL THE ASPECTS I WANTED TO ADRESS ONCE AND NO MORE.
NOW KINDLY GTFO OF A TRADING DISCUSSION THREAD REGARDLESS WHERE FF WANTS TO CATEGORIZE IT BY FORCE AND SUPPORT
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  • #45
  • Oct 4, 2023 12:27pm Oct 4, 2023 12:27pm
Quoting senkron
I'm waiting for KSO to the + range and TermTrade and Cyclicality to match color for the upside (green/gold) before taking a trade to the upside. How many matching n's on the KSO/Cyclicality/TermTrade do you wait for determining Inverse On, entering to the reverse move, full n-6n or less n's (assuming arrows match to the upside)? Thanks {image}
I beg for forgiveness not having the time to respond in detail ATM as someone here wasted mine and yours who want to trade.
All I can say now is that what you see on KSO in your snap is that market is ready to attack lows so you should have waited the command TT=Cy to turn again red posting another low, as it did, instead of waiting to turn green. But ok nothing wrong as that way you'll learn that KSO says nothing as a standalone.
Sure you can GAMBLE the flip of n on a magenta pivot with success but it will be without a secondary pivot in direction and thus exposed to costly risk.
Same if you bought today's move due to KSO green lineup as the commands didn't went green before KSO amplitude
and currently completely mixed.

P.S. I would suggest though that even if you get trigger to stay away this end of week due to NFP.
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  • #46
  • Edited 1:35pm Oct 4, 2023 1:14pm | Edited 1:35pm
Quoting Timetraveler
{quote} I beg for forgiveness not having the time to respond in detail ATM as someone here wasted mine and yours who want to trade. All I can say now is that what you see on KSO in your snap is that market is ready to attack lows so you should have waited the command TT=Cy to turn again red posting another low, as it did, instead of waiting to turn green. But ok nothing wrong as that way you'll learn that KSO says nothing as a standalone. Sure you can GAMBLE the flip of n on a magenta pivot with success but it will be without a secondary pivot in...
Thanks for all your feedback and no worries on the slightly later response. I was taking a look at your screen shots on OPERATOR WHITEDOJI - BEST EXIT IS BEST ENTRY.zip archive (thanks for taking the time to create the screenshots they really help since because of the EA we can't seem to backtest), may I know the rationale you used for the sell entry for the screenshots below (filename references are in top left corner). I became bit confused since in the screenshots most visuals outlined below were indicating to the upside. Perhaps you considered n to the downside in KSO after the Aqua BlackArrow down semaphore and took the trade because of that?
Thanks.
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  • #47
  • Oct 5, 2023 10:20pm Oct 5, 2023 10:20pm
Quoting senkron
{quote} Thanks for all your feedback and no worries on the slightly later response. I was taking a look at your screen shots on OPERATOR WHITEDOJI - BEST EXIT IS BEST ENTRY.zip archive (thanks for taking the time to create the screenshots they really help since because of the EA we can't seem to backtest), may I know the rationale you used for the sell entry for the screenshots below (filename references are in top left corner). I became bit confused since in the screenshots most visuals outlined below were indicating to the upside. Perhaps you...
And I thank you for spending the time to drop by and we can actually interact.
Well I'm always worried about time because I share mine to be virtually anywhere, hence the name, and I everywhere and always come late even though I wholeheartedly strive for the opposite.

If Orbit the Tool was a trading SYSTEM it could be backtested but it is market ANALYSIS. At least this is how I and anyone can use it for the time being.
"Best exit is Best entry" is my interpretation of what a Holy Grail is since ages . The APOTHEOSIS of Point-to-Point. After all it is Holy so God has to like you, no?
But that's the scientifically irrational part in the agnostic narrative that rules modern Academia and that's why you were both confused and right.

I went completely off Commands for RISK FREE SPACE because I'm so accustomed with the tool I can tell the TRUE value of the information it provides as well as to recognize if I'm in the zone reading correctly the phase amplitudes and the pivot weights. Now, that is personal performance. Can not be backtested nor bot mimicked as to me, and may not for many, IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE MAN. NOT THE MACHINE.

That way I'm liberated from 100/100 godlike demon or the one making me look at finger when the moon is pointed and just get the best I can out of it each day.

Do note snaps are on M30 and try to figure what it looked like in H4 but most importantly reinstall in your brain that Risk Color works opposite as it indicates who's at risk which is opposite from where market is going at any given tick. Trading the Range Arrow=/=Trade Risk combo is a command and technical EDGE on it's own like KSO n but obviously bearing the fallacy of a technical approach.

Nevertheless and as always trade ONLY what you understand.
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  • #48
  • Oct 5, 2023 11:11pm Oct 5, 2023 11:11pm
For @Expo33 Fractal Geometry thread to check how we see and measure the fractals
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  • #49
  • Oct 10, 2023 1:22am Oct 10, 2023 1:22am
If this thread was a trade journal it would go like "Here are today's entries" but it is not.
I want it to be a trade discussion using the tool so towards that is anybody on the same train with me today?
Because I'm on many

Salute 7

Disclaimer: Trades <H4 are considered gamble even with Orbit the Tool. I trade what I understand. Don't trade what you don't.
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  • #50
  • Oct 10, 2023 4:11am Oct 10, 2023 4:11am
It seems like you are not waiting for command 1 and/or command 2.

So your minimum requirements for a trade are?:
- KSO n red or magenta and not at amplitude+ for a sell/green or orange and not at amplitude- for a buy
- CY n red for sell/green for buy
- TT n open (orange) or closed red (scalp counter trend) for a buy vice versa for sell?
- spot arrow in the direction of the trade
- point matching
  • #51
  • Oct 10, 2023 7:32am Oct 10, 2023 7:32am
Took a sell position. Perhaps should have waited more on the range arrow turning downside, but other cues were already starting to show to the downside.
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  • #52
  • Oct 10, 2023 8:22pm Oct 10, 2023 8:22pm
@ Timetraveler

Can you please elaborate on these different steps 1-7, by way of pictures which include a KISS broken down explanation to hopefully easily explain in layman terms what we are looking at.
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  • #53
  • Oct 11, 2023 2:34pm Oct 11, 2023 2:34pm
Quoting MCFly
It seems like you are not waiting for command 1 and/or command 2. So your minimum requirements for a trade are?: - KSO n red or magenta and not at amplitude+ for a sell/green or orange and not at amplitude- for a buy - CY n red for sell/green for buy - TT n open (orange) or closed red (scalp counter trend) for a buy vice versa for sell? - spot arrow in the direction of the trade - point matching
Yeah just checking if actually is anyone interested and to what extent. I said <H4 is gamble even on Orbit and surely enough 4/5 got SL hit(UC survivor at BE) which means those "gamble commands" I used if next time take opposite side should be a killing, no? lol

Will explain in future posts. First everybody or many must be on same page for basic commands and that will come only if we all trade them demo and bring our reasoning and results as an example to newcomers how the market equation is solved and how each of us attempts to trade the infamous 100/100 solution.
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  • #54
  • Oct 11, 2023 2:58pm Oct 11, 2023 2:58pm
Quoting senkron
Took a sell position. Perhaps should have waited more on the range arrow turning downside, but other cues were already starting to show to the downside. {image}
Nice effort without but. What matters is the effort to find out. Now you know the significance of waiting range arrow or any other element else space is not risk free.
You also know now that those other cues may not mean the world but they do mean something and that is an excellent entry for a scalp and potentially a hit out of the park when range arrow does turn...

What bugs me tho is the H4 issue our brokers have resulting in different MRI that may cause early or late response on pivot event.
Will post how I see JPY in my next reply as an example to compare.

Thanks for the input 7
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  • #55
  • Oct 11, 2023 3:44pm Oct 11, 2023 3:44pm
Quoting Woodyz
@ Timetraveler Can you please elaborate on these different steps 1-7, by way of pictures which include a KISS broken down explanation to hopefully easily explain in layman terms what we are looking at. {image}
KISS as Keep It Simple, Stupid or as Keep It, Serial Stupid?
Because it is really stupid after books to volumes and snapshows on demand to continue to spoonfeed and on the way add preferences about and on top of it without feedback on my requests.
As for layman's terms there are simply too many dicsionaries including head & shoulders a.shampoo, b.TA pattern, which one?

Snapshots are 2 couples H1 & H4 before and after market close. Compare the first H4-H1(in that order) couple to spot how arrow weights are depicted and then compare with the second for the oscillator part ie kso, flow etc). Spot the differences then check if true with 1-7 sequence and where because it is all, technically almost to be precise, there.
Cheers and keep wondering

Salute 7
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  • #56
  • Oct 11, 2023 4:23pm Oct 11, 2023 4:23pm
1 hour before Tokyo. Differences and implications. THINK MC FLY! THINK!


Salute 7
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  • #57
  • Edited 3:05am Oct 12, 2023 2:51am | Edited 3:05am
LOL.........Geeezzz you're a cheeky prick...........Post screen shots and hey newbies spot the difference and blah blah. WTF
Look if being able to explain to new people with a simple picture and explanation / interpretation of each individual step, it's related components & the terminology used to help all understand exactly in simple terms is beyond your current capabilities when it comes to trading using the Orbit as your guide, mate just say so.
At the end of the day, I just thought that if you were able to do so, it would certainly help to fast-track new peoples understanding of the Orbit & thereby help sidestep what seems and is preserved as information overload when initially trying to understand and put into perspective all the PDF's.
This I'm sure would help to get people interested, fast tracked & on the same page.

Note: this does not mean being able to read & trade naked charts H&S S&R Trend lines etc etc etc. But should never be overlooked especially strong areas of confluence...........For this you can go to BabyPips mate.

Sincerely
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  • #58
  • Oct 12, 2023 8:34am Oct 12, 2023 8:34am
Quoting Timetraveler
1 hour before Tokyo. Differences and implications. THINK MC FLY! THINK! Salute 7 {image}
This was clearly a correction phase. Ordinals show it+6n cy still green+range arrow still green. Best would be waiting for another attack up with kso n-5n turning green again and going to + and OA turning up.

If I'm not mistaken, the fractals show inverse on what is a hint the market could go down.
  • #59
  • Oct 12, 2023 3:47pm Oct 12, 2023 3:47pm
Quoting Woodyz
LOL.........Geeezzz you're a cheeky prick...........
Actually I'm a cheesy Greek so you got pretty close but still far as F usual...
It is clear now you want me to spoonfeed your AI because you are seriously lack of own I if you dream of la(z)ymen trading Orbit.
Or their so called learning machines. FTWMC a teenager can Orbit pretty decently just because is ignorant of big data and/or fundamental/technical garbage in train thought. Another reason to shout IT WILL ALWAYS BE THE MAN. NOT THE MACHINE.

P.S. No such thing as shortcut to Knowledge as Repetition is its mother. That's why serial ignorants would be relentlessly ignored.
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  • #60
  • Oct 12, 2023 4:24pm Oct 12, 2023 4:24pm
Quoting MCFly
{quote} This was clearly a correction phase. Ordinals show it+6n cy still green+range arrow still green. Best would be waiting for another attack up with kso n-5n turning green again and going to + and OA turning up. If I'm not mistaken, the fractals show inverse on what is a hint the market could go down.
First of all I wasn't addressing you in particular but it seems you triggered in my brain the quote from the movie.
Nor I follow the standard commands for a variety of reasons and some may be obvious by now.

The most important is to discover a talent like yours in Orbit reading. And when reading is correct market agrees. And then confidence through clarity comes.
But that enemy is more powerful than the previous one. Castaneda's Enemies of Knowledge are ab aeterno.

Keep it up and thanks for the input. Most of all thanks for showing that newcomers do not face lazymen issues.

Salute 7

P.S. USDJPY 24 hours later update
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