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  • #21
  • Sep 19, 2023 1:46pm Sep 19, 2023 1:46pm
It's been 47 hours since my last. I was expecting some feedback as there was enough time for those downloading Orbit tool and books before the weekend to have already got a sense and courage to give feedback on my analysis. Of course many other things may be the cause but those I don't know I will never face.

Don't worry I only slap those having their eyes anywhere but the ball as the ball is the market.
Don't worry I'm not a mathematician but I'm already trading Point to Point a.k.a Deterministic using Orbit the Tool for my sole analysis.
Sure we can talk about upcoming end of fiscal year or NFP or whatever for anything affected that can be traded through MT4 to laugh hard mocking others approaches but that was myself 10 years ago. I just want to constantly HAVE THE EYES ON THE BALL a.k.a. a chart with Orbit the Tool and talk only about it.

I update you what BTC looks like now(snaps are couple hours before now) since:
a) Commands TT+ CY and RA + SA didn't established(didn't changed direction, only partial flipping of its elements)
b) Blackhead up pivot appeared after narrow FLE of white pivots
c) Kinematic Similtitude Oscillator went from (-) to R to (+) to now almost amplitude as market made 1st new high, retraced without semaphore and thus poking to a recalculation Aqua down Arrow to a 2nd new high to prove once more the fractality of the most common shape one can see in a chart.

In general, as long as Commands change is not established(changes briefly but pivoting and/or cyclicality are not as they should) and cycle gets back on previous direction then prepare to get very bored(or rich if you bought the uptrend resuming) as what I've already said and showed it will repeat again and again, almost the same but never identical(that's chaos), forever until further notice and same goes for the other direction.

Additionally I also attach the chart of neighboring daily time frame, which for those using the iteration system is called 7n, to check space as well as start working with pivot weights(f.ex. Magenta up pivot on H4 is an Aqua up pivot in D1). Btw & fyi, H4 Aqua arrow down became only now at last "recalculated" Aqua a D1 blackhead arrow down as that kind of thinking is needed to recognize implications before you see them on chart and understand better what we're up to.

We're up to FIND FREE RISK SPACE so I'm asking with what we have seen so far.
Do you recognize such space in the past, present or even expecting in the future and why?
Salute 7

P.S. This post was typed listening Madonna - Jump (Live during Confessions Tour) on loop.
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  • #22
  • Sep 24, 2023 12:19am Sep 24, 2023 12:19am
hsppy weekemd! is there a mt5 version？
  • #23
  • Sep 24, 2023 10:03am Sep 24, 2023 10:03am
Quoting cinalex
hsppy weekemd! is there a mt5 version？
Unfortunately no. Orbit the tool is relatively brand new as a prototype on MT4 heading for cloud edition where there are no limitations of platforms.
This alone shows that it is a market analysis tool only this analysis doesn't speak hawkish, dovish, bullish, bearish or other animalish like the rest.

However, someone, in the process to understand better or to fit to his needs, must try to emulate at least the basics of deterministic trading to his platform.
Find similar indicators on mt5 or even mt4 to assemble a sensible to you template based on Orbit and we talk.
Besides, only those who tried doing so understood the logic and then some realized how better is the original due to the plethora of indicators to choose on mt4.
Others decided to keep the technical part which gives some edge as trading only the mathematical equation involves complete change of paradigm not anybody can.
And then some incorporated it as a companion, a separate indicator, to their already established strategy.

I suggest you all try benefit the most. I myself have built and use one "technical" Orbit and a version on TradingView using just 3 indicators allowed without sub.
I could start the thread with those but why to keep the best out while it's still free and available?

Thread is about detrministic trading WITH Orbit the tool. That includes any version you come up with based on the Playbooks.
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  • #24
  • Edited 4:42pm Sep 24, 2023 4:28pm | Edited 4:42pm
It's been awhile and no feedback yet I'll keep updating when I have the time and/or the occasion is special.

On BTC today both happened as I have time to describe an unusual for a Sunday heads up @26.478.
Correct me if I'm wrong but what we are able to see and read(phase down on S short term, intermittency on M mid term, 6n command almost on( Cyclicality ok but not Term trade) along with inverse on down (consisted by A3 Aqua arrow down and y2 blackhead arrow down) through Orbit screenface and indies such as KSO, we really solve the market equation and we can declare as the immediate outcome being an attacking lows setup determined(point-to-point-de-ter-mi-ni-stic, yes?) and destined to evolve to at least an Aqua arrow up(A3) and stretch towards the blue MRI @26.060 before thinking of pivoting back up. Isn't that simple?
Isn't that FREE SPACE since in deterministic chaos when A is known then B is certain?

Salute 7

PS. During typing A3 arrow up is printed @ 26.331 but price has not yet reached blue MRI so let me elaborate on this.
It is a matter of style if one scalps or holds until next pivot appears or settles or even waits before jumping to see f.ex. if:
- 6n term trade turn to purple suggesting immediate sustained fall until A3 Aqua arrow up is poked down/recalculated to an Orange O4 arrow up ~25.600 or
- even threatening to poke M5 Magenta arrow Up @24.886 further below but if
- not term trade change until Monday volatility comes and KSO cycles back up to
- start seeking for the opposite diagonal command to
- lead him to the next M5 Magenda down ~28k.
But who knows what we will finally read and what our personal style is? Regardless, price moves for all i.e. there is no such thing as timeframes and as such the "signal" is one and for all and the only safe thing existing there for all is the space to the next point/pivot as no one will ever be able to read what's not written yet. Think about it.
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  • #25
  • Edited 4:56pm Sep 24, 2023 4:42pm | Edited 4:56pm
And this how it looks couple hours later after market open and new MRI is plotted. Take notes on the differences between snaps to see how the play unfolds.
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  • #26
  • Sep 24, 2023 6:31pm Sep 24, 2023 6:31pm
Command to sell ON. Moderate stops but I may let it run
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  • #27
  • Sep 24, 2023 6:41pm Sep 24, 2023 6:41pm
And usually within minutes see how simple see how no drawdown see how virtually but also visually powerful point to point equation is on early Monday even before Tokyo?
Already stretched to previous blue MRI @26.100 and I could jolly well take the money and run but to my experience Command on doesn't flip frequently and it's so early thinking to remove TP from next pivot `25.900 down to 25.500

Interesting week started in a rush and have to go.
Cheers & trade safe is trade what you understand

Salute 7
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  • #28
  • Edited 7:15pm Sep 29, 2023 6:57pm | Edited 7:15pm
Quoting Timetraveler
It's been... on loop. {image} {image}
To cut a long story short and just compare the snaps
Do you see now Point-to-Point?
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2023.09.19.BTCUSD.D1 vs 2023.09.30.BTCUSD.D1
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  • #29
  • Sep 30, 2023 5:45pm Sep 30, 2023 5:45pm
Time Traveller,

I very much appreciate you taking the time to explain all these concepts, I spent some time over the week playing around with it, i see the light and the magic. Although I have so much to learn about this tool I can just tell by the first few glances of what its trying to explain.

I wanted to ask, I am having issues with the interface screener its sort of frozen and oversized on my Mt4, is there a known troubleshooting methodology around this?

I have tested 10000s of indicators and models from all over for years.

This one, is the heavenly baby of them all.

As they saying goes, the truth is complex and simple, but it can account for everything

I also like how the chaos involves time as part of the screening process, which in trading i think is the most crucial part of it all.

Taking a 2 dimensional representation and converting it into 3 dimensions to accommodate the actual representation. Its genius, Backend in Meta terms should I say.

Yes sure for most it would be too complicated to understand but for those truth seekers, if you motivated under good intentions as a student of the game, you'll see that not only is this Gold, but might be your way out.

Much love
  • #30
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:58am Oct 1, 2023 12:58am
Quoting Mustaphanee
Time Traveller, I very much appreciate you taking the time to explain all these concepts, I spent some time over the week playing around with it, i see the light and the magic. Although I have so much to learn about this tool I can just tell by the first few glances of what its trying to explain. I wanted to ask, I am having issues with the interface screener its sort of frozen and oversized on my Mt4, is there a known troubleshooting methodology around this? I have tested 10000s of indicators and models from all over for years. This one, is the...
I also appreciate the time you spent to actually try to understand a different way as previous 10000 may be good for others but weren't for you and same for me.
I don't know if it will cut for you but to me it is worthier than others to have a thread to say the least.

If oversized icons you must change to a higher screen resolution given your screen supports it.

When freeze happens I just reload the template and by long habit restart MT4 every 100-200k of data. Speaking of habits a chaotic one is to check frequently between neighboring timeframes to visually confirm the weights of the pivots, the shape of the structure and many other important clues. This action actively refreshes the model or you know it's frozen last 5 mins.

If it freezes it's an indication of itself of many things such as:
-You' were not behind the wheel and away from your trading money. SHAME ON YOU
-You're running two Orbit charts or too many charts in general or also demanding, There are limits take it easy.
-Your market feed is dead aka no transactions from broker(usually at market clearing close and open "recalibration").
-High frequency volatility(usually out of nowhere but also on some news announcements where brokers freeze even the plain chart on such events.

Thanx for asking and really keep wandering about
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  • #31
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:08am Oct 1, 2023 1:08am
Happy New Fiscal Year
Wishes for prosperity and profitability.

Now, let's take a midterm risk as I see a point is missing
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  • #32
  • Oct 2, 2023 2:27am Oct 2, 2023 2:27am
Quoting Timetraveler
First and foremost it must be stressed that the model/tool in the .zip attached is the prototype built on MT4 and is available for free. 1st post will be edited to have the last update whenever there is one. That way anyone will be on the same page able to put in practice the approach described in the books of the bundle to learn how to find order in chaos, i.e. a recurring risk free trading space, of any market in any timeframe. So let us review some of the early concepts to bear in mind. When you come into trading one thing is common – somehow...
Hi

Some constructive criticism:

Maybe the orbit is really the holy grail and is correct 100/100 times or may be it is not. In absence of any evidence, It would make sense if people who used it echo the same sentiment and champion it instead of the creator of the orbit.

Reminds of a quote from the TV series "Game of Thrones":

""Any man who must say, I am the king, is no true king".

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  • #33
  • Oct 2, 2023 10:35am Oct 2, 2023 10:35am
Quoting Timetraveler
Happy New Fiscal Year Wishes for prosperity and profitability. Now, let's take a midterm risk as I see a point is missing 7 {image} {image}
33 hours is not mid term so I lied,
I also said let's take a risk but it was RISK FREE never looking back so I lied twice.
The only thing I didn't lied about is that it was really a point missing and now it is not, yes?

Salute
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  • #34
  • Oct 2, 2023 12:06pm Oct 2, 2023 12:06pm
Quoting aaven
{quote} Hi Some constructive criticism: Maybe the orbit is really the holy grail and is correct 100/100 times or may be it is not. In absence of any evidence, It would make sense if people who used it echo the same sentiment and champion it instead of the creator of the orbit. Reminds of a quote from the TV series "Game of Thrones": ""Any man who must say, I am the king, is no true king". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2kYTf5Zs38
How can you criticize something you're unable to understand and thus unable to test if it's legit or not and to what extent?
As for evidence you can check my last trade here on thread or the download link in first posts.

It is you who do not make sense as I'm not the creator nor member in the forum the creator is allowed to post(FF has banned him for answering to critics less politely than I do, or at least that is what I know about).

Unbeknownst why, I'm also not allowed to be a member to his thread in the other forum, plus
-Here in FF "orbit the tool" is shadowbanned term in Search(only my IP brings result my thread else it brings the critic of Davesomething in GBPUSD thread) plus,
-Shadowban from latest replies and latest liked as thread changed from trading discussion to journals, plus
-no cleanup on HATERS posts of the tool, its creator and its users.
So you guys are enjoying full protection from the "scam" yet you keep coming as you are scammed from those without being a "scam", no?

Still wonder why serial losers can post thousands of nonsense while others have hard time to give something of value for free?
Still thinking you have to do with the unskilled and the unintellectual people you interact every day?

If so why FF didn't reply when it requested snapshots of my claims??? Maybe left aside unintentionally so I'll post them here too just in case...

P.S. I never liked GoT, it was meant for Brits and snowflakes. All I know though is an Oxford Reference:
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it just may be a duck - .
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  • #35
  • Oct 2, 2023 12:12pm Oct 2, 2023 12:12pm
There is an issue to either some brokers and\or some versions of Orbit the Tool not working including the one here.
I hope it gets fixed and update you on that soon

Take care and trade what you understand
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  • #36
  • Oct 2, 2023 12:20pm Oct 2, 2023 12:20pm
Quoting Timetraveler
Another semaphore is another point and in that sequence and shape of light weight pivots it is called that the market is going in FLE - Finite Loop Equilibrium which is NOT FREE RISK SPACE as well as corrections pullbacks and scalps <M30 in my book. Along with last red semaphore right at the high deviation of MRI indicator, Oscillator part points down to at least a heavier semaphore to pivot back up as command/diagonal/main direction remain pointing up. If that is true then pivot is expected to revert to the mean which is where command may change...
Then what is exactly what orbit gets 100/100? I dont get it, it reads the market correctly 100% what exactly.
Like if i say, well, price will eventually go up, 100%, even if loses 99% value and goes up after, but cant benefit from it.
Then what is the benefit orbit gives the trader if has no entry trigger like other indicators, nor gives some type of zone or space?
  • #37
  • Oct 2, 2023 2:07pm Oct 2, 2023 2:07pm
Quoting Timetraveler
{quote} How can you criticize something you're unable to understand and thus unable to test if it's legit or not and to what extent? As for evidence you can check my last trade here on thread or the download link in first posts. It is you who do not make sense as I'm not the creator nor member in the forum the creator is allowed to post(FF has banned him for answering to critics less politely than I do, or at least that is what I know about). Unbeknownst why, I'm also not allowed to be a member to his thread in the other forum, plus -Here in FF...
Hi,

I am not sure what transpired before,but it seems you are getting off tangent. What i am saying is in good faith and trying to help. I did install the tool and read the documents.

I get it that the financial world is an ultra competitive; trading edges are hard to get and if some one wants to keep it themselves, that's fair. if they want to share, well and good.This is the thing though: The documents are confusing as heck. It's like the author of the tool is in two minds; whether to share and till what extent.

I am trying to convey this:

The creator of the tool and the tool are going to be intimate and it is second nature to the creator. What is supposed to be so simple and clear to the creator will not be so to the people learning it. The ideal approach would be to break the explanation of the screen face into individual components.

Example: KSO or the Kinematic Similitude Oscillator: Give a through explanation of what it does as a stand alone component. Do the same for everything and gel them and tell how it all syncs up.

The creator is like a race car driver who has introduced an out of the box car and is supposedly showing how to make sharp turns in the rain;While the audience are scratching their heads as to where the accelerator is, where the clutch is and being chided by the creator that it is so simple.

He is doing a lot of disservice to himself and i got the impression there is a cloud version to come and the creator is in need of funds. Orbit if it really does what it claims; the investors should be lining up. There is lot of potential for such a tool, so many fortune 1000 companies has forex calculations, but i get the feeling no investor would have backed him as of now. If it keeps going like this, another year will pass and the creator will have to keep saying that the readers are dumb or have not put in the required effort etc...

Thanks
  • #38
  • Oct 2, 2023 7:21pm Oct 2, 2023 7:21pm
Quoting ffss
{quote} Then what is exactly what orbit gets 100/100? I dont get it, it reads the market correctly 100% what exactly. Like if i say, well, price will eventually go up, 100%, even if loses 99% value and goes up after, but cant benefit from it. Then what is the benefit orbit gives the trader if has no entry trigger like other indicators, nor gives some type of zone or space?
It literally reads the market 100%. It litteraly doesn't say anything YOU PERSONALY can/want/are ready or even able to read now(or ever if keeping daft troll attitude in front of value for free) and that's not an insult nor a reason nor excuse to blame yourself or others when maybe simply lost in translation.

For chaos 0.0001...99.9999...% retrace, whipsaw no prob. It still is considered a higher low, no? And then higher high like my last BTC trade, yes?
Babypips trade if you ask me 10 years ago.

Difference with Orbit is it tells to those who know the lingo when the set up is and when is not. I posted the Green in full glory trigger on Sunday and said deterministic point missed, tight stop at previous point woooosh new point made, target breakout area since entry, take the money and run or wait saddle or book profits and leave some or take everything and seek reentry. You know... trading basic style, as you are an experienced trader with discipline and you don't seek such advise from me, right? Right?

Every technical trader I know missed 3% move because...fill in the blank, what the fun?
Fundamental & Mix trader shout "Uptober", can you imagine depths of creativity if it was just a future 9n upwick?
But who really cares about the future who really trades, and it shows, anyway?
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  • #39
  • Oct 2, 2023 9:23pm Oct 2, 2023 9:23pm
Quoting aaven
{quote} Hi, I am not sure what transpired before,but it seems you are getting off tangent. What i am saying is in good faith and trying to help. I did install the tool and read the documents. I get it that the financial world is an ultra competitive; trading edges are hard to get and if some one wants to keep it themselves, that's fair. if they want to share, well and good.This is the thing though: The documents are confusing as heck. It's like the author of the tool is in two minds; whether to share and till what extent. I am trying to convey this:...
I guess I owe my apologies but you got it out of my system as my "tangent" is to tell the world HOW I TRADE and find unusual hurdles, everybody come as sceptics on the creator on why this and why that as if true then the scam is on their side and you sounded, maybe still, like one as you keep eyes off the ball.
You have to resist, unless against your interests but that will be obvious in no time, to look what happens to Bill Gates, if he has tons of time investors and where is time there is money that costs more than money nowadays which is the cause of such anxiety and confusion.
Just stick what you can do better with windows and you simply get better, ok?

Logic says though that the one in two minds must be the new guy who must get rid the old one.

I agree, books are confusing even to those not new but they've value so instead netflix you spend time to solve the 5000 puzzle called Orbit the tool unless addicted to netflix. In that case puzzle will remain unsolved, big deal.

Just don't tell me you want the AHA that hit him hit you on the spot after skimming once twice and couple days screentime.
Unfortunately I have no time atm to explain differently than Orbit analysis pdf what kso is, associations and implications.
In fact there is no need to become a chef to eat in a restaurant and no mathematician or coder to trade successfully the concept called Orbit the Tool.
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  • #40
  • Oct 3, 2023 12:42am Oct 3, 2023 12:42am
Quoting Timetraveler
{quote} I guess I owe my apologies but you got it out of my system as my "tangent" is to tell the world HOW I TRADE and find unusual hurdles, everybody come as sceptics on the creator on why this and why that as if true then the scam is on their side and you sounded, maybe still, like one as you keep eyes off the ball. You have to resist, unless against your interests but that will be obvious in no time, to look what happens to Bill Gates, if he has tons of time investors and where is time there is money that costs more than money nowadays which...
Hi,

A bit productive discussion we had. This is not an attack or me trying to get one-upmanship, I encourage you to ponder this aspect:

You mention:

"Just don't tell me you want the AHA that hit him hit you on the spot after skimming once twice and couple days screentime."

There are many systems/models of markets with from basic to esoteric ranging from moving averages, geometry shapes and even astronomy.

As a viewer, how is what you present (chaos) different from models say based on astronomy?

1. The authors have presented concepts that are supposed to be simple and could be understood,but the viewers don't.

2. The authors say everything that is needed to be successful is already given out and is the fault of viewers for not putting in the effort.

3. The author says the market is absolutely governed by astronomy and everything else is hogwash.

4. The author says it is the viewers loss if he is not able to understand.

5. The proof is in the eating the pudding, the author never shares any credible proof that it makes money.

While you are tempted to think, i am trying to undermine and insult you, it is not the case. I am encouraging you to realize from where we (the viewers) stand that the orbit tool (as of this moment) looks like any other system or model that 100's in numbers that are scattered through the forums.

I see that on the other site, more than 1500+ posts have gone by and you yourself are confounded why people are not able to understand orbit.

Let me flip the situation and if you were told that W.D.Gann's work is the key and offered no concrete evidence,would you be willing to devote thousands of hours?

Thanks
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