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  • #23,361
  • Oct 1, 2023 11:33am Oct 1, 2023 11:33am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} If you put a list of most relevant criteria like price, trading conditions, simplicity of rules, existence of unclear things like IPs or unclear concepts like grid, likelihood of being paid, correction of mistakes/errors in the system, scaling, communication, etc. you would always have MFF on the top places, even if you add the things you don't like in them like marketing (not sure why you think was reckless in their marketing when we see so much atrocities over there but I guess you have your reasons).
MFF is close. Is on the bottom list.
  • #23,362
  • Oct 1, 2023 11:40am Oct 1, 2023 11:40am
Troll hour on FF. Glad for ignore list.
  • #23,363
  • Oct 1, 2023 11:58am Oct 1, 2023 11:58am
Quoting Tim_isoara
{quote} TFF still pay. MFF don't pay nothing.
MFF had to stop paying after case. We all know that.

How TFF paying to you or paid to you until now ?
Intraday only.
  • #23,365
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:32pm Oct 1, 2023 12:32pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} There are nuggets like this all over the place if you look. The very well titled "Thug Traders" here are very talented at ignoring MFF's shady practices only because their own pockets were filled with the money MFF stole from others. It is a dog eat dog world after all. Before clicking on the link, it is a direct download of a pdf posted here on FF somewhere but I can't find the original post. {image}
In brokers they are paying with losers money too, dont hate the player hate the game bro, every market winners get paid by losers lol, if saying MFF was a scam and cheated and robbed players make you all sleep better at night then ok.
If the gov said IC markets was a huge scam all of you losers that lost money trading in ic markets would get relief because omg IC Markets was scamming me thats why i lost so much money omg, i mean cmon wake up sheeps, with this sheep mentality you guys will not last long in this game
  • #23,366
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:34pm Oct 1, 2023 12:34pm
Can someone please sum up for me how do crypto withdrawals work concretely and what's the benefit of it?
Don't give up on your dreams. Keep sleeping.
  • #23,367
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:35pm Oct 1, 2023 12:35pm
Quoting Tim_isoara
{quote} TFF still pay. MFF don't pay nothing.
Yeah keep crying troll loser, everyday you come here to talk bad about MFF you must be one of the biggest losers there for sure ahah
  • #23,368
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:42pm Oct 1, 2023 12:42pm
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Great news because there was a colegue here complaining about a delay. I will have a payout this week and I'll report back. What method of payment did you ask ? If crypto, did you immediately requested it through the crypto form ?
ya through crypto form . to binance address > my country's local wallet
  • #23,369
  • Oct 1, 2023 12:45pm Oct 1, 2023 12:45pm
Hi, long time lurker here
after FTMO restricted my country and already have high stakes account on 5ers. Looking for other prop firm for recommendation? one that actually pay without tricky rules or ip address bu**shit?
  • #23,370
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:01pm Oct 1, 2023 1:01pm
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} Hummm.... Maybe we're talking about different programs. I'm only interested in 2 steps challenges (in their case is called High stakes). No SL mandatory, no risk 1% and no risk interview. 3x0.5% days yes (even the funded ones - which means that each time we scale they provide us a new account and we need to have 3x0.5% days to receive a payout ). Honestly this rule of 3x0.5% days doesn't bother me at all. If we don't achieve it it's likely we're doing just a big killings in one trade/one day or not even making a 1.5% payout. I'm a slow and...
Yes high stakes. I don't like the other programs.

The 0.5% x 3 days definitely not good from trader point of view. We need to make $1500 minimum to get refund, with other programs I can make $4 wait 14 days then get fees refunded.

Also if you look at high stakes T&C, the video interview stipulation is there if they request it.

The SL and risk % is a bit open to interpretation. They have 'ideal risk management requirements' with the suggestion that a SL is used that represents a max of 1% risk. " its suggested though not required for every position".

T&C later say " profits made with positions involved in risk management violation will not be paid"

I'm just glad there's no 1 minute rule with stop loss, now that's a real ball ache.
  • #23,371
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:07pm Oct 1, 2023 1:07pm
Quoting navk
{quote} MFF had to stop paying after case. We all know that. How TFF paying to you or paid to you until now ?
TFF have been good from my point of view no issues with payments. Trade execution has gone down hill recently though, like a delay switch has been flipped.
  • #23,372
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:11pm Oct 1, 2023 1:11pm
Quoting rizla101
{quote} TFF have been good from my point of view no issues with payments. Trade execution has gone down hill recently though, like a delay switch has been flipped.
For sometime now, I am reading payout issues from TFF.

To what extnts it affects, do not know.

Anybody can clarify ?
Intraday only.
  • #23,373
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:21pm Oct 1, 2023 1:21pm
TFT keep promising to clear payouts and keep delaying. This seems the last hope: launching something new, promote it and try to get fees to pay a couple of people.
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  • #23,374
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:25pm Oct 1, 2023 1:25pm
TFF has high payout vs sales ratio. I suspect it is under some stress.

But the majority of others are also under stress based on ratios and reported payouts.

TFT imo is insolvent.
  • #23,375
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:29pm Oct 1, 2023 1:29pm
Sharing personal experience more important to judge.
With MFF and myfundedfx, I had bad experience in mt4 Or rules.
But both firms solved my problems quickly.
Both firms paid me.
FXIFY pay.

All above are good firms IMO
Intraday only.
  • #23,376
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:31pm Oct 1, 2023 1:31pm
Quoting navk
{quote} For sometime now, I am reading payout issues from TFF. To what extnts it affects, do not know. Anybody can clarify ?
At least on here it seems people suggesting 10k plus becomes an issue, unfortunately 10k payouts not something I know much about.

I did just see on twitter someone saying that TFF were 1 of top 3 payers in September, along with ftmo and mffx. Figures were provided by themselves though so who knows how accurate they are. I'm requesting early this week so see how that goes, always been good in the past and reasonably quick.
  • #23,377
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:32pm Oct 1, 2023 1:32pm
Quoting Takisd
TFF has high payout vs sales ratio. I suspect it is under some stress. But the majority of others are also under stress based on ratios and reported payouts. TFT imo is insolvent.
I suspect the sales versus payout ratio would be bad for any of current firm.
There may be issues in processing
Intraday only.
  • #23,378
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:32pm Oct 1, 2023 1:32pm
Quoting rizla101
{quote} At least on here it seems people suggesting 10k plus becomes an issue, unfortunately 10k payouts not something I know much about. I did just see on twitter someone saying that TFF were 1 of top 3 payers in September, along with ftmo and mffx. Figures were provided by themselves though so who knows how accurate they are. I'm requesting early this week so see how that goes, always been good in the past and reasonably quick.
This post is where i reviewed traffic vs payout and made the assumption that TFF is under financial stress.
  • #23,379
  • Oct 1, 2023 1:57pm Oct 1, 2023 1:57pm
Quoting Takisd
{quote} This post is where i reviewed traffic vs payout and made the assumption that TFF is under financial stress.
How much has traffic fallen? If its not a substantial fall i would hope they are able to sustain the payouts. The payout amount they state for September is fairly typical for past 6months.
  • #23,380
  • Oct 1, 2023 2:01pm Oct 1, 2023 2:01pm
Quoting rizla101
{quote} How much has traffic fallen? If its not a substantial fall i would hope they are able to sustain the payouts. The payout amount they state for September is fairly typical for past 6months.
If you take the traffic, then fractionalized it to match MFF's. You can calculate approximately 10-20% the revenue.

In TFF's case, the revenue and payouts are pretty much the same, if you add operating expenses its probably break even at best. December is always a dead revenue month and pay outs are lagging by 14-30 days so if this low market stays for props, december we will see deaths.
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