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  • Sep 25, 2023 9:33am Sep 25, 2023 9:33am
  •  niks
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hi niks! thanks for the warm welcome! i never realised how much fun trading could be, especially counter-trend scalping - the danger is part of the fun I reckon, going into terrifying drawdown is quite something. quick question, I've noticed you quite often exit trades earlier than the rest of the batch, like in the first bunch of trades in your screenprint above when price crossed the 200. why do you do that?
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it's my pleasure rodney - it definitely gets the adrenaline flowing! glad to hear you are enjoying it because you will need to remain passionate throughout the entire journey, so stay positive and never quit no matter what happens...

exiting positions earlier than the rest within a batch is purely for risk management, the less positions open the less risk, the sooner i can take profits, the sooner i take them, but then i like to give every trade as much room as possible for maximum potential so will sometimes let a few run a bit longer - at this point they will either hit their targets, or miss them and then pullback for a refill opportunity and then hit the targets, or they will reverse, but with less positions than when i started making it easier to manage the drawdown, hope that helps...
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{quote} it's my pleasure rodney - it definitely gets the adrenaline flowing! glad to hear you are enjoying it because you will need to remain passionate throughout the entire journey, so stay positive and never quit no matter what happens... exiting positions earlier than the rest within a batch is purely for risk management, the less positions open the less risk, the sooner i can take profits, the sooner i take them, but then i like to give every trade as much room as possible for maximum potential so will sometimes let a few run a bit longer -...
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ok i see. would it not be better then to start closing them from the first one, as that one would be the one that goes into the most drawdown if price moves away? i guess the most recent one would also make the most immediate profit though.

definitely going to stick with it! learning lots of new interesting things for the first time in decades :-)
 
 
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  • Sep 25, 2023 10:05am Sep 25, 2023 10:05am
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M1 GBP countertrend scalps - the pound is in a giving mood, so i'll take it!
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M1 GBP trend scalps
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its rhyming like cockney slang!
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{quote} ok i see. would it not be better then to start closing them from the first one, as that one would be the one that goes into the most drawdown if price moves away? i guess the most recent one would also make the most immediate profit though. definitely going to stick with it! learning lots of new interesting things for the first time in decades :-)
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it depends on how far apart they are, sometimes the last order will get closed in profit at the entry point of the first order rather than wait for the targets to hit for the first order to close off the last - it really is just personal preference in trade management, whether one way is better than the other may be subjective...

there is so much to learn it will keep you busy for decades to come!!!
kc topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/14648072#post14648072
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  • Sep 25, 2023 11:05am Sep 25, 2023 11:05am
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GBP/CHF:


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drawdown deluxe. with terrible entries. entering on the white trigger line
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drawdown deluxe. with terrible entries. entering on the white trigger line {image}
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yes, the entries are late on this set of trades in addition to the strong trend making it difficult to recover, best to wait for ema200 when in drawdown and take it from there although it has been quite some time since it touched it...
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not sure what you refer to as the white trigger line?

anyway, best of luck with it!
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did a little bit of niks risk management and then just kept adding positions
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another half-managed mess:
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trigger line is the gap between the lwma6 (2) and the ema50 plus the gap from the 50 to the ema9 (8). looking for a "hook"
 
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little bit of AU for breakfast
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did a little bit of niks risk management and then just kept adding positions {image} another half-managed mess: {image} trigger line is the gap between the lwma6 (2) and the ema50 plus the gap from the 50 to the ema9 (8). looking for a "hook"
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nice trading, controlling risk is priority number ONE when managing positions using a high risk strategy, great work!

there was a nice double top on AUD prime for a short as well...
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also, i still can't make out your trigger - if possible, can you please highlight it with an entry based off it?
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I haven't come this far to only come this far !
 
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better timing equals quicker profits! fine examples of M1 countertrend scalping, well done!
kc topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/14648072#post14648072
 
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  • Sep 27, 2023 5:02am Sep 27, 2023 5:02am
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niks, i was using the peaks on the white line. might still not be too bad if i can filter it with something maybe. similar to looking for a hook in the LWMA from v2/v3

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in the other screenshot i've reverted to using standard Bollingers as an indication that volatility is increasing and a spot for the first trade. not the best but makes the decision to enter easy. then using the 9 for additional positions
 
 
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  • Sep 27, 2023 5:58am Sep 27, 2023 5:58am
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niks, i was using the peaks on the white line. might still not be too bad if i can filter it with something maybe. similar to looking for a hook in the LWMA from v2/v3 {image} in the other screenshot i've reverted to using standard Bollingers as an indication that volatility is increasing and a spot for the first trade. not the best but makes the decision to enter easy. then using the 9 for additional positions
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thank you rodney, that helps but still not clear to me how you have used it if my assumption is correct that the orange lines short and green lines long?

the BB or keltner channel is an excellent additional aid to the ema's for countertrending - i recommend adding two BB's or keltner channels to create a channel with 4 segments, it reduces even more guesswork that way and is probably all you will ever need!
kc topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/14648072#post14648072
 
 
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  • Sep 27, 2023 6:24am Sep 27, 2023 6:24am
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{quote} thank you rodney, that helps but still not clear to me how you have used it if my assumption is correct that the orange lines short and green lines long? the BB or keltner channel is an excellent additional aid to the ema's for countertrending - i recommend adding two BB's or keltner channels to create a channel with 4 segments, it reduces even more guesswork that way and is probably all you will ever need!
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if the white line makes a peak and drops (a "hook") then it's entry time, as long as everything else looks ok.

what would you use the additional band for? only enter if the price closes between them? like to try and eliminate breakouts? so like 2 deviation and 2.2 deviation multiplier?

orange lines are losing trades. orange dots without a line are open short trades, green dots without a line are open long trades
 
 
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one thing im trying at the moment is not exiting if HA candle is one-wicked (and the right color), seems to be a nice rule for squeezing out a few extra pips
unfortunately can't see the ha candles on these screengrabs, but i exited a bit early on the first trade

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{quote} if the white line makes a peak and drops (a "hook") then it's entry time, as long as everything else looks ok. what would you use the additional band for? only enter if the price closes between them? like to try and eliminate breakouts? so like 2 deviation and 2.2 deviation multiplier? orange lines are losing trades. orange dots without a line are open short trades, green dots without a line are open long trades
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ok, thanks for explaining your chart a little more...

no, there are no fixed rules for the extra channels, they are used as a guide alongside price action and ema's, there are no "best" settings, just use whatever fits price action most appropriately for the pair you use it on...

here's an example of how i use them just played out on BTC...

before my initial entries short into a strong uptrend, the channel indicated the shift to sideways or a downtrend
was about to occur - during the uptrend, it bounced between the upper and 1/4 line, but then it started spending more time between the 1/4 line and the midline, so i started entering targeting the midline at the time, which even if just going sideways instead of a downtrend, should still be hit...
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entered another order as price moved as anticipated bouncing between the 1/4 line and midline until finally breaking below the midline and holding reaching the targets, although only one was hit, could of closed manually for decent profits at this point but was confident enough of my keltner channel analysis to take one final order!
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then, ema200 conveniently makes its way to my targets which price can no longer resist!!!
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and now as expected, a downtrend has started!!!
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  • Sep 27, 2023 10:21am Sep 27, 2023 10:21am
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ok excellent, thanks niks! now i see what you mean. very helpful. i'm gonna see what it looks like with bollingers

looks interesting:
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EU with 1 and 2 x std deviation
 
 
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more examples:

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  • Sep 27, 2023 10:37am Sep 27, 2023 10:37am
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ok excellent, thanks niks! now i see what you mean. very helpful. i'm gonna see what it looks like with bollingers looks interesting: {image} EU with 1 and 2 x std deviation
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always a pleasure rodney! wish you the best of luck, it complements the strategy very well...

just a couple of points though, the keltner channel has extra configuration options making it easier to hug price than BB's potentially providing higher accuracy, and i personally prefer candlesticks over HA...
kc topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/14648072#post14648072
 
 
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