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  • #1,781
  • Apr 22, 2023 4:14am Apr 22, 2023 4:14am
Quoting helioss
Yeah this is my baby.....reading in real time trades flow on Binance: cum volume buy and sell on 1 min {image}
I don't get it!

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  • #1,782
  • Apr 22, 2023 7:11am Apr 22, 2023 7:11am
Bulls are increasing their activity
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  • #1,783
  • Apr 23, 2023 9:04am Apr 23, 2023 9:04am
Quoting helioss
Bulls are increasing their activity {image}
See I told you have much more information whats happening when you have trades data
Observer effect
  • #1,784
  • Apr 23, 2023 12:20pm Apr 23, 2023 12:20pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} See I told you have much more information whats happening when you have trades data
Yeah, see the market from inside it's great
  • #1,785
  • Apr 24, 2023 4:35am Apr 24, 2023 4:35am
Still makes not a lick of sense to me. More buys and the market goes down. More sells and the market goes up. You guys seem to be happy about this too. Am I living in an upside down world or something?
  • #1,786
  • Apr 25, 2023 1:06am Apr 25, 2023 1:06am
Quoting 4XPhuq-R
Still makes not a lick of sense to me. More buys and the market goes down. More sells and the market goes up. You guys seem to be happy about this too. Am I living in an upside down world or something?
The market becomes overbought then people sell sell sell.
The market becomes oversold then people buy buy buy.
Also it depends on where that data is being pulled from, order books have risk of spoofing which can lead to misdirection if you aren't look more broad. I hope this helps!
  • #1,787
  • Apr 25, 2023 10:58am Apr 25, 2023 10:58am
Thanks. 'Tho it still sounds like prediction rather than having some kind of secret super-duper, iron clad information to hand. The orders say for certain that people are buying, right? That's what it shows. Not selling but buying. So how do you know the sweet spot to pull the trigger and sell? This thread has been built on the premise that "it's all mathematics", so where are they here? Do we start selling when the volume hits 100? 150? 200? 99,950,649,728 and if so why? Earlier on I saw talk of using moving averages and they just seemed to be arbitrary as well. Then there was talk of stochastics, which are also arbitrary. The settings he was using were:

EMA 6 low
EMA 6 high
EMA 60 close
EMA 120 close
EMA 240 close
Stoch 15/1/3

Why these ones? Where is the math behind this? Why not use these instead:

SMA 17 low
WMA 85 high
SMA 90 open
SMA 150 open
SMA 1000 median
RSI 9/2/16?

To me both examples are totally random and SUBJECTIVE.

He said something about distance and standard deviations. And? The market doesn't have to obey ANY of these rules. If it explands to 2, 3 or 18 standard deviations from the average daily range then that's just what it's doing today. There is no mathematics here which state that it HAS to snap back to the mean right now.

Then there was something about waiting for "three in a row" on delta, before trading when it flips. I have to ask the same question: WHY? Why three in a row? Why not twenty in a row? Where is the mathematics here? Where is the OBJECTIVE RULE with accompanying explanation?
  • #1,788
  • Apr 27, 2023 11:48am Apr 27, 2023 11:48am
Anybody know why my trade explorer says NA? And why cant i enter it and delete it?
You have an IQ lower than 90 if you interact with this user.
  • #1,789
  • Edited 4:14pm Apr 27, 2023 3:41pm | Edited 4:14pm
Quoting 4XPhuq-R
Why these ones? Where is the math behind this? Why not use these instead: SMA 17 low WMA 85 high SMA 90 open SMA 150 open SMA 1000 median RSI 9/2/16?
You can use any you like, my friend. I'm using 6/30/60/120/240 because there are 60 seconds in the minute and so on. I said many times I'm not using anything if I can't answer the question "why". For example why ema200 or rsi 14 I can't answer (of course I can and I know why, but this is not a math at all, this is forex fairy tales bullshit). But why 240 - because of 60 sec/min thing. So I can explain it myself, so I'm happy and I can use it. But as I said you can use any you like. Or not use it. Or use another indicators. For example MACD is good too. Why not? Just pick you favorite.

For now I'm using only SMA 3,6,30,60,120,240. No stoch used. Also I'm using EMA and still trying SMA or EMA. SMA is good, but EMA is not so reactive, so it is more "calm" and in fact more accurate. So may be I'll move back to EMA from SMA.

Quoting 4XPhuq-R
If it explands to 2, 3 or 18 standard deviations from the average daily range then that's just what it's doing today.
I'm using distance between ema6 high and ema6 low to measure the "room" to trade. If one coin has 0.75% "range" and another 0.12% where is more chance to earn few bucks? But you can use ATR for that or whatever you like. I just use moving average. This is the only OHLC indicator I'm using. So I use it and to detect "mixed" areas and to measure the distance.

Quoting 4XPhuq-R
Then there was something about waiting for "three in a row" on delta, before trading when it flips. I have to ask the same question: WHY? Why three in a row? Why not twenty in a row? Where is the mathematics here? Where is the OBJECTIVE RULE with accompanying explanation?
Because 3-in-a-row is easy for 99% here. You can see it on the chart using the indicator. Of course, if we are trading automatically there are no timeframe, and there are that kind of sequences. But 3-in-a-row is pretty accurate. Have you tried it?

In fact that approach is more complicated. It is not about using "correct" moving average.
There are a lot of factors I'm checking before entering any trade.
1. Distance (the "room")
2. Volume
3. Min lot size
4. MA order
5. Market imbalance
6. Selected coin imbalance

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For example if you check the screenshot: go long with OPUSDT. Why? Why? Why? You asked me. Because 20+ coins are down (ma order short). All market imbalance is +25% (25% more buys then sells), OP is a cheap coin and it has the biggest distance ("room" to trade). And it has +15% delta already. That's all. Easy? Yes. But you have to collect and analyze all the data first.

But... who can do it? No one here. Because 99.99% here can only check some indicator. That's why 3-in-a-row Delta approach was maid. It is easy to understand, easy to read and easy to follow. And pretty profitable and accurate at the same time.

And last but not the least: deleverage logic and dynamic take profits. This is the key. All the initial filtering doesn't matter (except volume and min lot size). Correct sizing and perfect money management IS the key! I can literally open random side trade if the volume is good. And win. Of course initial filtering is a must have thing, but it is not the key for sure. Search for good exit, not for good entry

Stay Green!
Observer effect
  • #1,790
  • Edited 5:43pm Apr 27, 2023 5:32pm | Edited 5:43pm
Sorry RuyRuy

My nonsense message, it was hard time, but back to real data trading.
Super respect you and Rick allways.

Try to catch all writings here, super sunny respect for you amigos,

I try to contribute entries based volume and delta,tape if i can help others.maybe not

Its one important rule, if not emotional or health is not good, do not trade.

Happy spring for everyone,

and offcourse if its okey for you if i write your thread.
  • #1,791
  • Apr 28, 2023 8:18am Apr 28, 2023 8:18am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} You can use any you like, my friend. I'm using 6/30/60/120/240 because there are 60 seconds in the minute and so on. I said many times I'm not using anything if I can't answer the question "why". For example why ema200 or rsi 14 I can't answer (of course I can and I know why, but this is not a math at all, this is forex fairy tales bullshit). But why 240 - because of 60 sec/min thing. So I can explain it myself, so I'm happy and I can use it. But as I said you can use any you like. Or not use it. Or use another indicators. For example MACD...
I understand only some of what you wrote and see I have a lot to learn. I'm new and cannot yet like your post as everything I type has to go thru moderation first.

BTW, is your name really Ryan? It is not a traditional Spanish name.
  • #1,792
  • Edited 5:07pm Apr 28, 2023 4:43pm | Edited 5:07pm
Quoting kk100
Happy spring for everyone, and offcourse if its okey for you if i write your thread.
Sure my friend! You are always welcome!

Quoting 4XPhuq-R
{quote} I understand only some of what you wrote and see I have a lot to learn. I'm new and cannot yet like your post as everything I type has to go thru moderation first.
I think you are on the right way my friend. Because you ASK QUESTIONS and criticizing! In my opinion this is the best way to fight that market. Not to believe in all that bullshit around about "rsi shows oversold" and "i feel there is a key level". RSI can't show oversold and overbought because a) it is oscillator and b) it has no volume data in its formula. Feeling the levels using the OHLC data and drawing tools is fraud.

Quoting 4XPhuq-R
Still makes not a lick of sense to me. More buys and the market goes down. More sells and the market goes up. You guys seem to be happy about this too. Am I living in an upside down world or something?
BTW just saw that message. Indeed. If more buys price must go deep? Yes yes yes.
But!
Not of futures market.

We are talking here about imbalance. The difference between buys and sells. And... Aaaaannnnddddd. If some sold the some bought?
See the trick?

You all think that you can BUY and sell. No one understand the mechanics of shorts. Also. None of you even understand the difference between the orderbook and the orderflow. That's why all that mess in your head.

I told 100 times: START with understanding what THE HECK is the difference between MARKET and LIMIT orders. That is the BASICS!!!
Next go and UNDERSTAND what the stops are. They are MARKET ORDERS! Always. ALWAYS!

After you understand THIS then we can go deeper. But who cares on forex "tick market" haha
Observer effect
  • #1,793
  • Apr 30, 2023 3:10am Apr 30, 2023 3:10am
I have created bybit historical data downloader.
https://github.com/ryu878/bybit_history_downloader

Files contains data about candles, trades, the orderbook and even the funding rates.

Scripts will download the files (on next run only new files) and extract the archives.

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The data has everything we need to backtest the volume delta trading approach.
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  • #1,794
  • Apr 30, 2023 7:45am Apr 30, 2023 7:45am
Quoting ryuryu
I have created bybit historical data downloader. https://github.com/ryu878/bybit_history_downloader Files contains data about candles, trades, the orderbook and even the funding rates. Scripts will download the files (on next run only new files) and extract the archives. {image} The data has everything we need to backtest the volume delta trading approach.
Hi! great work. Do you know id soup allow to start to grab data from a specific date??
  • #1,795
  • Apr 30, 2023 8:12am Apr 30, 2023 8:12am
Quoting helioss
{quote} Hi! great work. Do you know id soup allow to start to grab data from a specific date??
sorry? You can change the code to set the desired date... You need the data to start from yes?
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  • #1,796
  • Apr 30, 2023 8:37am Apr 30, 2023 8:37am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} sorry? You can change the code to set the desired date... You need the data to start from yes?
Yes start to download from a desired date.....i read manual but i don't find it
  • #1,797
  • Edited 11:53pm May 1, 2023 11:41pm | Edited 11:53pm
Quoting helioss
{quote} Yes start to download from a desired date.....i read manual but i don't find it
I have updated the code, now you can set the start date.

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Also now you can set a list of desired coins.

To download all the coins set the list to empty:

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  • #1,798
  • May 2, 2023 1:52am May 2, 2023 1:52am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} I have updated the code, now you can set the start date. {image} Also now you can set a list of desired coins. To download all the coins set the list to empty: {image}
Great!!! I will study the code
  • #1,799
  • May 6, 2023 1:50pm May 6, 2023 1:50pm
Always the same scenario:

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First they count everything and then "boom!" and all the greedy line drawers stops are smashed
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All market UP, as usual. They are making it every day with same algo and same logic. Never changed. Because there is nothing to change. It works
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Long signal was here. More than 2% easy with NO leverage. Or if you brave enough then with 10x it will be >20% of profits from 1 trade
Observer effect
  • #1,800
  • May 6, 2023 2:26pm May 6, 2023 2:26pm
Quoting ryuryu
Always the same scenario: {image} First they count everything and then "boom!" and all the greedy line drawers stops are smashed {image} All market UP, as usual. They are making it every day with same algo and same logic. Never changed. Because there is nothing to change. It works {image} Long signal was here. More than 2% easy with NO leverage. Or if you brave enough then with 10x it will be >20% of profits from 1 trade

I really miss the times you and Rick were discussing orderflow.
The line drawers suck, is there any line that is remotely helpful to you though? channels?
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