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  • #321
  • Mar 28, 2023 10:35pm Mar 28, 2023 10:35pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
"People need to be very careful not to demonize something if/when you do not understand the scale of what is happening." This is me paraphrasing someone from the past. And this quote is very potent for this thread and others, where tools are seen as the source of anything. I've lost count of how many threads I've been kicked off because people did not understand THIS basic concept. I'm not writing this in response to anyone's posts, merely adding it here, so that maybe some people will learn. AL I can say here is - if a person does indeed possess...
Hi Peter,
That statement is so true. I agree 100%. In this business you had better think for yourself & find you own way.
It is always good to read your views & comment.
  • #322
  • Mar 29, 2023 5:21am Mar 29, 2023 5:21am
Good to be here!
I love the conversation.

Been actually doing research trying to go into the nitty gritty of TA approach in regard to making a fortune in this industry.
Personally, I am not a TA trader. I was before and I that thing never worked for me.
Chart patterns, candle patterns, those inverted zippidity doo with kangaroo leg and pig shoulder depicting a sell/buy signal doesn't word...FALLACY!!!!
So where am i? What do i trade? I don't know.

FF has saved my tiny butt to say the least. FMA and BW shared some quite good info last year. Been trying to incorporate all the ideas to come up with an open lines trading strategy. It is one huge task!

Price intent/value/ADR seems quite interesting to learn. I will be taking a huge step to trying to understand.

TA traders feels quite offended with this topic. I totally understand coz i was once in that other side of the world.
Imagine waiting for a signal from a combination of some imaginary inverted hummer and nails candlestick, trendlines, channels, engulfing blabla then vrooom the trade goes against you!!
I hope this conversation will continue. I would be happy to learn.

ps..forgive my poor English.
  • #323
  • Mar 29, 2023 10:44pm Mar 29, 2023 10:44pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} I am looking at the EA reversal (of today's PA), waiting for things to develop a bit more. Next targets are 1.6018 and then back to 1.5858. Needs to cook a little more. Trade well everyone!
Note to BW: the EA did not develop into a reversal, and instead moved up again and has settled into a nice (easy to trade) range. Intent sometimes means that bankers are content with current price range. This is the first time I've checked in here in about a week. Sad to see the thread is no longer active. Trade well!
  • #324
  • Mar 29, 2023 11:36pm Mar 29, 2023 11:36pm
Quoting Ctonic
Good to be here! I love the conversation. Been actually doing research trying to go into the nitty gritty of TA approach in regard to making a fortune in this industry. Personally, I am not a TA trader. I was before and I that thing never worked for me. Chart patterns, candle patterns, those inverted zippidity doo with kangaroo leg and pig shoulder depicting a sell/buy signal doesn't word...FALLACY!!!! So where am i? What do i trade? I don't know. FF has saved my tiny butt to say the least. FMA and BW shared some quite good info last year. Been...
Ctonic,

Everything and everyone is a TA trader. Without TA there would be no visuals. ADR, DOL, yes lines, are all TA. The difference is the perspective one has.
Try to be like the guy in the youtube below. Have an open mind and try not to get caught up in myopic viewpoints that you may find on FF for example.
All the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L45Bpt1veo0&list=PLnSelbHUB6GQ02V4pHTLCtP86SvZ-kgBP&index=21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5ZoBfujVlU&list=PLnSelbHUB6GQ02V4pHTLCtP86SvZ-kgBP&index=22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHCUOHwixmU&list=PLnSelbHUB6GQ02V4pHTLCtP86SvZ-kgBP&index=11
  • #325
  • Mar 30, 2023 11:13pm Mar 30, 2023 11:13pm
Quoting GEfx
{quote} Note to BW: the EA did not develop into a reversal, and instead moved up again and has settled into a nice (easy to trade) range. Intent sometimes means that bankers are content with current price range. This is the first time I've checked in here in about a week. Sad to see the thread is no longer active. Trade well!
A lowkey statement on what it's all about.
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #326
  • Edited 7:20pm Mar 31, 2023 6:43pm | Edited 7:20pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
AL I can say here is - if a person does indeed possess common sense, they have no need for the council of others, especially if those others have little to do with your own thinking. And so it's no surprise why people take so long to learn ...... you're letting other people inside your head. Just a consideration. Peter
Hi Peter, there's so much obvious truth to what you wrote. This thread is about how adults allow others put nonsense in their heads. Perfectly normal adults inherit with open arms the nonsense garbage from youtubes and forums like FF without logical common sense questions.

Spot the indoctrination in both pics that're made 2years apart. That's typical example of adults letting other people into their heads. They lost their mind.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/13477536#post13477536
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/14381755#post14381755


There's so much indoctrination activity that goes on FF without common sense questions that lead to the perpetuation of faulty, misleading and dangerous TA assumptions among retail forex traders. This is and has been my consistent message on FF, read my post history.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/13440889#post13440889
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/13440918#post13440918
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/post/13466269#post13466269

The funniest part is adults asking what are those assumptions.

Have a great weekend. Cheers
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  • #327
  • Mar 31, 2023 10:05pm Mar 31, 2023 10:05pm
Quoting dinpappa
Look here brother. The pdf you sent, with this awesome HINDSIGHT teacher... he ONLY shows good trades that work out, AFTER the fact. But the same principles he shows, has loosing trades on the chart too, but he ignores them, this is why this trading industry is f*ed up.. full of fakes, and amateurs, does anyone make it here, or are the markets just random.. Literally on the Pic, HOD broken, rejects and goes down, but he totally ignores it xD, sad. {image}
Most(99.99%) adults know the truth, this same truth.

ALL of us are stuck with this.
Quoting R78SD
And honestly, what is the alternative? None!
No matter what twisted shit we write on FF, this truth won't change.

TA assumptions are faulty, misleading and dangerous.
TA market structure or mechanism knowledge is faulty, misleading and dangerous.

Few take a short time to learn.
Few more take years to learn.(pretty good)
The rest 90+% never learn.
They are the herd.

The enemy is our EGO, not our stupidity.
Dumb is the manifestation of your EGO.
Repetition won't make you learn.
Talk to your EGO.

Cheers

Have a great weekend.
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  • #328
  • Apr 1, 2023 1:39am Apr 1, 2023 1:39am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Most(99.99%) adults know the truth, this same truth. ALL of us are stuck with this. {quote} No matter what twisted shit we write on FF, this truth won't change. TA assumptions are faulty, misleading and dangerous. TA market structure or mechanism knowledge is faulty, misleading and dangerous. Few take a short time to learn. Few more take years to learn.(pretty good) The rest 90+% never learn. They are the herd. The enemy is our EGO, not our stupidity. Dumb is the manifestation of your EGO. Repetition won't make you learn. Talk to your EGO....
currencies are quite driven by fundamentals, follow the news, let the currency find its value, and trade the price back in to the value when it goes outside.
  • #329
  • Apr 2, 2023 8:42pm Apr 2, 2023 8:42pm
Quoting Kwt4x
every time I hear "probabilities" from someone, I know for a fact that they don't know "direction". cheers,
This member speaks the truth.
A lonely voice.
Drowned out by the loud, long rubbish essays.
Stupid adult cheering and jeering.

How many FF members understand what he wrote?

Very few.

Give up kwt4x, nobody listen on FF.
Now we know which FF members don't know direction, it's so simple.

Cheers
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  • #330
  • Apr 2, 2023 9:12pm Apr 2, 2023 9:12pm
Quoting TimeTells
...AND If we assume (which I am happy to do) that Directional Intent is possible. THEN we need to ask ourselves a simple question. Why can't this be done visually. with our eyes & brain, and without MATHS ?
Good on point question.

One hundred years ago we can't see cancer cells. Today we have the latest MRI technology.
Do you do commercial fish farming with traditional ears and eyes or use the latest sonar equipment?

I wrote repeatedly many times. This is 2023, technology has opened the door to boundless possibilities that's yet unexplored.

This thread tells about this primitive, faulty, misleading and dangerous TA assumptions measured against today's technology.

Cheers
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  • #331
  • Apr 2, 2023 10:11pm Apr 2, 2023 10:11pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Good on point question. One hundred years ago we can't see cancer cells. Today we have the latest technology with MRI. Do you do commercial fish farming with traditional ears and eyes or use the latest sonar equipment? I wrote repeatedly many times. This is 2023, technology has opened the door to boundless possibilities that's yet unexplored. This thread tells about this primitive, faulty, misleading and dangerous TA assumptions measured against today's technology. Cheers
Then let me reiterate, the person IS the SOURCE of it all. Old tech, new tech and any "know-how". Anything statistical, mathematical and strategic/tactical IS based of "what was". Foresight is what one uses to deal with the future. Even many bigger participants I have come in contact with, or worked with, or know, still use old tech in one form or another. So the premise of ANY "conspiracy thinking" is one-sided or lopsided, when pitted against real life common sense. So therefore, the argument of TA has nothing to do with tech. It has to do with the PERSON. I have used TA for decades ........ DECADES ....... and I am well aware of its many imperfections, however, some people, as per usual on these ridiculous sites, appear hell bent on displaying false truths about different aspects of trading. TA is not the problem. PEOPLE are the problem - to be more precise what's in their heads is the issue. Demonizing something you clearly do not fully understand IS the problem here. Trying to reclassify something as something else is not the problem...... for YOU. It's when you have others who "yayy!" it all and don't have a frickin' clue what's really happening.

BWilliam you are reconstituting something as something else. The person makes the decisions. END OF STORYTELLING. It appears you have gotten hooked on the conspiratorial element of it all and forgotten that common sense must have the final say in ALL of this.

I find the same thing re: this sites' functions eg. "liking/thumbs up" posts etc. I'm not sure if many people remember say, 30 or 40yrs ago, when children were put through kindergarten/preschool etc .... the teacher would give a coloured star to children who do well or create something "pretty/interesting". Now come forward to the 2020's where you find apparent adults behaving EXACTLY like kindergarteners. "like me" .... "Thumbs up me". WOOW!! So tell me please just how much bullshit needs to be in a grown up's head before it ceases to function properly? So all the "grown ups" on these sites are nothing but silly fake people who wouldn't even know if TA was corrupt/ed or not. I'm not bias here. I think literally MOST of the people around these days have little common sense and even less foresight to notice if things change. I mean. if they cannot see how absolutely belittling and mind shrinking it is to do the "like me/thumbs up me" stuff, then their mind is so warped they wouldn't know if tech is good for them or not. And so if you carry all of this to its feasible conclusions, most of the human species has fallen down into a hole and they don't even see they have fallen. THIS is why I have really very little time and respect for "online people" .... you're all just an echo of the real world stupidity of not using your observation skills and seeing the world as it really is in a genuine mature and intelligent way.

Trading reflects real life in so many ways. If you're an idiot when you first enter the world of trading and then still choose to be an idiot, then the consequences are pretty obvious. So as I have said many times now to people .... "If trading was shutdown indefinitely tomorrow, ask yourself, what have I learned about me and real life?" Sure you can pretend by saying "this is just an online trading forum Peter" but then that really just shows the level of contempt you have for anything real. Now couple that with all your "thumbs up me" crackerjack bullshit and you now have a rather horrible mixture. You now have generational retardation and what's HILARIOUS is that there will actually be people on here that will say all manner of things in reaction to this being said, and so proving it to be true. So .... why bother saying that TA is the culprit. I find PEOPLE to be the issue. People and their unnaturally overconfident complacent apathetic ways and attitudes. All their over-compensations both here and in real life. If one does not understand real life then how can one be taken seriously?

Of course there will be many here that will dismiss all this and think they're too good for it etc. BUT ... I love how Life always comes back round to slap you in the face and give each person another chance to wake up to ourselves. All one has to do is keep a journal or make a note in detail of all the different experiences you have both good and not, to then later, look at them to see patterns and lessons. How fuckin' hard is that. It's exactly the same in trading.

So as to TA .... GROW THE FUCK UP people. BWILLIAM .... GROW THE FUCK UP. To all the "thumbs up" lemmings .....GROW THE FUCK UP. Thinking for yourself you come to know and realize when you're being used and manipulated............. basic common sense.

If you "agree/disagree" then you're not using common sense. You've got a lot more to learn and a lot of growing up to do.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #332
  • Apr 2, 2023 10:27pm Apr 2, 2023 10:27pm
I agree with Peter, PEOPLE is the issue at the core.

Peter, I have good reasons why I wrote the way I did.

I don't directly point at PEOPLE because that'll be seen as personal attack. This will deflect my message. That's why I chose to reconstitute something for something else.

PEOPLE with their idiotic thinking generate rubbish TA assumptions.

Ofc idiotic PEOPLE is the core.

Idiotic, dumb adults spread idiotic TA assumptions all over FF.
So idiotic they can't differentiate between tool and assumption.

Cheers
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  • #333
  • Apr 2, 2023 10:41pm Apr 2, 2023 10:41pm
Peter, idiotic dumb adults use the "like" button to cheer and jeer.

Imagine the level of adult idiocy on FF. Cheers
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  • #334
  • Apr 2, 2023 10:56pm Apr 2, 2023 10:56pm
Quoting BWilliam
I agree with Peter, PEOPLE is the issue at the core. I don't directly point at PEOPLE because that'll be seen as personal attack. This will deflect my message. That's why I chose to reconstitute something for something else. PEOPLE with their idiotic thinking generate rubbish TA assumptions. Ofc idiotic PEOPLE is the core. Idiotic, dumb adults spread idiotic TA assumptions all over FF. Cheers
And that's the point ..... it didn't even take 30mins for some persona to "agree" with what I said. The tech or people like yourself are not helping the situation. I honestly do like people, in general, but I find it extremely troubling when you people say you trade yet show no means to be objective. It is an oxymoronic perception. And leads to other crazy things. I include YOU in what I said. Twisting the truth does more damage. Just as these sites have people believe "it's just about trading". There's no Personal Psychology section, there is no real life societal management section. So in essence it's all bullshit dressed up to look pretty and alluring. However someone with common sense will see all this because they see a website and know what a website IS and what it's FOR.... what they've ALWAYS been for.

The main difference here, surprisingly, between your approach and mine is this - I actually do want people to learn. I just don't believe in using a cheezy grin to "sell people" on an idea etc. Learning, I mean REALLY learning, can be rough but it is worth the personal growth scars.

Being objective means you include yourself in the premise. I know for myself, the personal work I have done through the years. So I know where I'm up to. However I find all you people need to change up a gear and stop treating yourselves as a joke.

I have lived long enough and used my time alive well enough, to learn that human society is not one organism but several organisms on several levels. But talking to people I find many are distracted by the 99% of the input/output (Problem/solution) 1%:99% ratio in society .... being that people fill their life with the 99% and prefer to leave the 1% to "other people". This is the sum up of why your lives are what they are. You talk about the 99% of trivial problems and try to ignore the 1%. That 1% is all it takes for everything to be practically better for people in Life in this world. It's a petty many people prefer to run their mouth off instead of learning something.

If I were starting out, I would begin here ....

https://www.youtube.com/@TROMproject/featured

Learn or do not learn.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #335
  • Apr 2, 2023 10:57pm Apr 2, 2023 10:57pm
Quoting Kwt4x
there is nothing to argue here, markets has 2 directions UP/DOWN , if the market is going UP, why would anyone put a probability of a SELL ? misreading the market make traders lose. cheers,
Kwt4x, it's so simple common sense logic.

Idiotic dumb adult tell us it's YOU vs YOU shrink bs.

It takes bigger idiot dumb adults to agree.

The message is clear.
No point waste more time on FF.

Cheers
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  • #336
  • Apr 2, 2023 11:00pm Apr 2, 2023 11:00pm
And yet more idiots who cannot think for themselves who give a "thumbs up". Congratulations. Your family must be very proud. Living on autopilot are we??

Pick a topic re: this site .... I can show you that it will always lead back to the person and common sense .... or a lack of.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #337
  • Apr 2, 2023 11:03pm Apr 2, 2023 11:03pm
Quoting BWilliam
Peter, idiotic dumb adults use the "like" button to cheer and jeer. Imagine the level of adult idiocy on FF. Cheers
I've seen you do it. So once again, try being objective and include yourself in the situation.
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #338
  • Apr 2, 2023 11:04pm Apr 2, 2023 11:04pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} I've seen you do it. So once again, try being objective and include yourself in the situation.
I admit the troll in me do it. No hiding or lying.

If you read my history post I wrote I get so fed up I troll. You may be a saint, I'm not.

This does not change everything I wrote on FF. They still stand unchanged. Cheers
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  • #339
  • Apr 2, 2023 11:06pm Apr 2, 2023 11:06pm
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} I admit the troll in me do it. No hiding or lying. Cheers
Just because it's there does not mean you have to use it.
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  • #340
  • Apr 2, 2023 11:10pm Apr 2, 2023 11:10pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Just because it's there does not mean you have to use it.
Lets not divert the conversation, stay on the technical aspects of trading. I wrote this many times. Cheers
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