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  • #161
  • Feb 25, 2023 7:25pm Feb 25, 2023 7:25pm
Hi Rick,

While I do see you as well researched & informed on your own topics, you will also realise that I know you quite often jump the gun as you have done before, and then misread or misunderstand the subject at hand.

I ask myself, why not just PROMOTE ryuryu’s Sales Pitch over on his own thread about delta.
To do this here on Lekkim's new thread - also on delta - stinks of poor business ethics to me, sorry.


Look I suggest we ALL …. stop this on Lekkim’s thread.

If you can ask ryuryu to UN-BAN me from his own thread so I may post there and then open up THIS discussion there
I will come over there to ryuryu's thread and post my thoughts to ryuryu, yourself & your merry band of followers on,

what I think about ryuryu’s sum knowledge on Forex Currency Trading.


Let’s move these intrusions please over to ryuryu’s own thread, if he is willing.

This thread here of Lekkims is brand new
and I see it is interesting, informative and things have already been fleshed out that I see as a benefit to many.


You ask why I post about ryuryu.
Well thankfully I have not had to interact with ryuryu for ages now, and wouldn't have.
UNTIL.

It was brought to my attention, firstly, that he is likely a Hidden Commercial member, and
AFTER that

the good man Lekkim went & ‘shouted’ good words towards me over on my Home Page
so I looked again at what Lekkim was currenrtly doing in Forex Currencies (& Delta I saw)

and while reading Lekkim's .... VERY FIRST PAGE .... on his .... NEW .... thread, guess what i saw

the grub (imho) ryuryu
referring to the OP as a cheat, liar & scammer

You may have missed ryuryu’s vile post Rick, here it is again to refresh your memory
(on the FIRST bloody page ffs)
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...4#post14330704


So
Le’s do all this OUT IN THE OPEN please
you, ryuryu and ALL your followers over there on ryuryu’s thread and see where it goes.

Lets talk Forex Currencies
on ryuryu's thread, NOT HERE
  • #162
  • Feb 25, 2023 7:43pm Feb 25, 2023 7:43pm
Quoting TimeTells
Hi Rick, While I do see you as well researched & informed on your own topics, you will also realise that I know you quite often jump the gun as you have done before, and then misread or misunderstand the subject at hand. I ask myself, why not just PROMOTE ryuryu’s Sales Pitch over on his own thread about delta. To do this here on Lekkim's new thread - also on delta - stinks of poor business ethics to me, sorry. Look I suggest we ALL …. stop this on Lekkim’s thread. If you can ask ryuryu to UN-BAN me from his own thread so I may post there...
Ryuryu has not brought up his indicators on this thread. It is everyone else who is doing that and accusing him afterwards. Please stop derailing the thread.
  • #163
  • Feb 25, 2023 7:51pm Feb 25, 2023 7:51pm
Quoting brandon12127
{quote}
Ryuryu has not brought up his indicators on this thread.
It is everyone else who is doing that and accusing him afterwards. Please stop derailing the thread.

Hi B,

NONE SO BLIND.

Ask yourself in a quiet moment of reflection, what is ryuryu's indicator about (clue ... delta)
Then have a quick look again at the heading of Lekkim's new thread (clue ... delta)

rudy did NOT have to bring it up

any part-time detective could have put two and two together

apparently some can't

oh, well

trade on


(EDIT: ps brandon, see you over at ryuryu's thread when he un-bans me and let's get to the core of it)
  • #164
  • Feb 25, 2023 7:55pm Feb 25, 2023 7:55pm
Quoting TimeTells
Hi Rick, While I do see you as well researched & informed on your own topics, you will also realise that I know you quite often jump the gun as you have done before, and then misread or misunderstand the subject at hand. I ask myself, why not just PROMOTE ryuryu’s Sales Pitch over on his own thread about delta. To do this here on Lekkim's new thread - also on delta - stinks of poor business ethics to me, sorry. Look I suggest we ALL …. stop this on Lekkim’s thread. If you can ask ryuryu to UN-BAN me from his own thread so I may post there...
Hi Pete

Ha Ha ..... yes I did miss that post from Ryuryu

I have said it many times that Ryuryu can be a pain in the butt at times, rude and also arrogant.
But when you get to trade with the guy for a while, you will find he's compassionate, very helpful and an incredibly creative trader who can rack up some incredible profits without any effort. If you want Ryuryu to become a nice guy, it would effect his capacity to be as profitable as he is now, he would fail.

So I encourage Ryuryu to be himself and never let anyone change his mannerism, let him be an pain in the arse because he's a better trader because of it.
You guys can carry on hating him, he won't care.

On a side note, I actually like your work and read most of your posts - keep them coming (not keen on coloured lines but pay no attention to me).
Last post here I think for me, unless its of value to this thread.

Cheers
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #165
  • Feb 25, 2023 7:57pm Feb 25, 2023 7:57pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi B, NONE SO BLIND. Ask yourself in a quiet moment of reflection, what is ryuryu's indicator about (clue ... delta) Then have a quick look again at the heading of Lekkim's new thread (clue ... delta) rudy did NOT have to bring it up any part-time detective could have put two and two together apparently some can't oh, well trade on (EDIT: ps brandon, see you over at ryuryu's thread when he un-bans me and let's get to the core of it)
ryuryu's using CME Futures data.
Lekkim's using tick data from forex brokers.

i know which is more accurate.
  • #166
  • Feb 25, 2023 8:01pm Feb 25, 2023 8:01pm
Quoting RickM
{quote}
Hi Pete Ha Ha ..... yes I did miss that post from Ryuryu I have said it many times that Ryuryu can be a pain in the butt at times, rude and also arrogant. But when you get to trade with the guy for a while, you will find he's compassionate, very helpful and an incredibly creative trader who can rack up some incredible profits without any effort. If you want Ryuryu to become a nice guy, it would effect his capacity to be as profitable as he is now, he would fail. So I encourage Ryuryu to be himself and never let anyone change...

Hi Rick,

Cheers, you too pal. And you also know we have all been down THIS VERY SAME PATH BEFORE

(brandon will not know all this - yet).

Maybe put ryuryu on a leash & muzzle (just j/k'ing ) and then maybe

NEW THREADS that counteract directly what ryuryu is selling might get a chance to get off the ground

all the best rick
  • #167
  • Feb 25, 2023 8:03pm Feb 25, 2023 8:03pm
Quoting brandon12127
{quote}
ryuryu's using CME Futures data. Lekkim's using tick data from forex brokers. i know which is more accurate.

ffs, lol,

not to worry

At some point EVERY trader comes to understand that

Accuracy & ACTUAL TRADING are often two different steamships

trade safe sir

ONE MORE TIME, over to ryuryu's thread please
  • #168
  • Feb 25, 2023 8:05pm Feb 25, 2023 8:05pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Rick, Cheers, you too pal. And you also know we have all been down THIS VERY SAME PATH BEFORE (brandon will not know this all - yet). Maybe put ryuryu on a leash & muzzle (just j/k'ing ) and then maybe NEW THREADS that counteract directly what ryuryu is selling might get a chance to get off the ground all the best rick
Hi TimeTells,

I read it on FF, I'm aware of your path before.
Hope you are doing well.
  • #169
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:05pm Feb 25, 2023 11:05pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} ffs, lol, not to worry At some point EVERY trader comes to understand that Accuracy & ACTUAL TRADING are often two different steamships trade safe sir ONE MORE TIME, over to ryuryu's thread please
Hehehehehe ..... you'd think so buuuuut ..... no.
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #170
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:13pm Feb 25, 2023 11:13pm
Once a trader broadens their awareness, that's when they grow up. Cum delta can be traded just as well as tick data. I know I've done it .... but I see MANY who try to covet and endorse one or the other, just to hide their inabilities or insecurities. After all, this IS a public website. Any dickhead with typing skills can create an account. Hehehe. The person is the wild card never the data. Once each person here's been trading for long enough, with REAL experience under their belt, then many things like that make sense.

Cheers.
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #171
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:16pm Feb 25, 2023 11:16pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
The person is the wild card never the data.


Gold !
  • #172
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:28pm Feb 25, 2023 11:28pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Gold !
Yeah you can say it and say it and say it. People are NOT dumb. They just listen to segmented fragmented bullshit. How the hell do they feed themselves each day if they cannot function?! As for ryu and Rick etc. they'll grow up, They'll HAVE TO otherwise Life'll kick 'em in the nethers and try and wake 'em up to themself. One simply cannot truly appreciate a real learning space while making a B-line for these sites etc every time you hit a wall or it gets hard (booohooo!!).

Begin a schematic and make lots of room for expansion. THAT is how you learn. I used to love using cum data in its raw form and still do use some. But people have got their heads screwed backwards. If I tried to explain how I do it, people would just walk out. Hehehe. If only they'd sit with bloomberg or other nat sites that offer treasuries or cross asset discussion, people will learn something.

Hehehehe. Sorry Lekkim for butting in.
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #173
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:45pm Feb 25, 2023 11:45pm
Just as a side tip here .....


Delta is a process of processes so it works best when detailed as a [from->to->for->from] overlay.

With a constant correlation to - time, use and who.

If you choose to understand this process then you can trade options WITH currencies WITH any futures deal AND FX spot covers all of your costs. Even throw in some energies eg. Oil or a healthy Stock Index for good measure if it fits. Of course learn what you need to know and do with each one beforehand. But that chain is great for balancing exposure while accelerating your performance : cost ratio.

Most people are far too 1 or 2 dimensional in their thinking. FX .... why was it created? What is it used for? Put aside the "stories" and see what society likes and dislikes. Then compare this to its needs. Now you know and understand more than most try to.

Cheers.

Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #174
  • Feb 25, 2023 11:49pm Feb 25, 2023 11:49pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
Once a trader broadens their awareness, that's when they grow up. Cum delta can be traded just as well as tick data. I know I've done it .... but I see MANY who try to covet and endorse one or the other, just to hide their inabilities or insecurities. After all, this IS a public website. Any dickhead with typing skills can create an account. Hehehe. The person is the wild card never the data. Once each person here's been trading for long enough, with REAL experience under their belt, then many things like...
BRAVO !!! SPOT ON !!!
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #175
  • Feb 26, 2023 1:04am Feb 26, 2023 1:04am
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} Yeah you can say it and say it and say it. People are NOT dumb. They just listen to segmented fragmented bullshit. How the hell do they feed themselves each day if they cannot function?! As for ryu and Rick etc. they'll grow up, They'll HAVE TO otherwise Life'll kick 'em in the nethers and try and wake 'em up to themself. One simply cannot truly appreciate a real learning space while making a B-line for these sites etc every time you hit a wall or it gets hard (booohooo!!). Begin a schematic and make lots of room for expansion. THAT is how...
Hi Peter

As you are an expert using Cumulative Delta, please enlighten Lekkim, me and other readers here just how a professional trader would use it.

Now is the your time, lets see if you understand the mathematics of this indicator and how you use it in its raw form (does he trade naked or something?)

Peter - explain it to us now
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #176
  • Edited 4:59am Feb 26, 2023 1:25am | Edited 4:59am
I think it is not correct to discuss what is better real orderflow or tick data until some will bring us the full description what tick data is, how it created, what are the rules, how it is audited and so on.

As I see here in the thread there are a lot of gurus claiming they know how market works.

So let's listen to them.
(I know that this will not happen and guys like TimeTells will start writing long posts again for nothing, just to hide the fact of lack of knowledge and move the topic in another direction.)

And if there will be no description found then I'll kindly ask them to shut the f**k up and never open their lying mouths anymore.

As for me I know that tick data is fake and scam. The only purpose of it is to draw candles for gamblers thinking they can outperform casino using drawing tools.
I know it's hard to admit that everything you know is a lie, especially if you registered here 10 years ago. Because many people may think that you are stupid.
But, guys, find the courage and admit that you are just gamblers, and have absolutely no idea how the market works.

p.s. this is not about Lekkim and his thread, because he is trying to research this thing. This is about stupid scammers who know nothing and only post blah-blah-blah. We know names.

I'll edit this post adding username and count the bullshit that username posted instead of posting the answer for my direct question.

1. moodybot - 1
2. aaven - 1
3. PeterCaleb - 1
Observer effect
  • #177
  • Feb 26, 2023 1:57am Feb 26, 2023 1:57am
Quoting ryuryu
I think it is not correct to discuss what is better real orderflow or tick data until some will bring us the full description what tick data is, how it created, what are the rules, how it is audited and so on. As I see here in the thread there are a lot of gurus claiming they know how market works. So let's listen to them. (I know that this will not happen and guys like TimeTells will start writing long posts again for nothing, just to hide the fact of lack of knowledge and move the topic in another direction.) And if there will be no description...
The best thing you can do is to open your thread up so that TimeTells can reply to your challenge, unless of course you’re bullshitting and to frightened to.

Edit.

Or I’ll open my thread up to you. So what’s it to be, your thread or mine?
  • #178
  • Feb 26, 2023 3:47am Feb 26, 2023 3:47am
Quoting ryuryu
I think it is not correct to discuss what is better real orderflow or tick data until some will bring us the full description what tick data is, how it created, what are the rules, how it is audited and so on. As I see here in the thread there are a lot of gurus claiming they know how market works. So let's listen to them. (I know that this will not happen and guys like TimeTells will start writing long posts again for nothing, just to hide the fact of lack of knowledge and move the topic in another direction.) And if there will be no description...
Ryu,

It is my understanding that most of them who has spent some time in learning FX/using MT4 is aware that the "volume" information available in MT4 is tick data/so called "volume" from the said broker. Lekkim never claimed otherwise nor did he say what he uses is superior to order flow methodology. He is sharing what worked for him.
There is a proverb where i come from which roughly translates to this: There are a group of people and they find out that the cake which was supposed to be there is missing. They exclaim" there must be a thief", so one of the guys immediately takes out a napkin and wipes the crumbs from his mouth.

For some reason Lekkim opening a thread, the kind of reaction you gave as if he attacked your trading methodology. The so called debate/discussion that you want between real orderflow or tick data is just your insecurity showing up and wanting to show what you trade is superior to what Lekkim does.
  • #179
  • Feb 26, 2023 4:27am Feb 26, 2023 4:27am
I'm not threatened nor impressed by people trying to goad me into giving them what they want or feel entitled to. The sheer CHOSEN stupidity of people trying to be lazy and swindle real knowledge out of people is astounding. My input comes from years of trading. A fact not chest pumping. My knowledge speaks for itself. "Data traders" are the new fad. That is all. Trading is about adapting, learning and bending some more to then come to rest at the beginning again. Most of the cock arsed stuff people on here talk about is silly. To have "one golden goose" is a silly and misguided way to view the world.

My above input is, as it says, for those who wish to understand this process. Now here's the catch, IF, you, the person do NOT understand the markets, then guess what, of course you will spit chips!! You've used up all your time to 'carry-on-laughing' (for anyone who gets the pun) on these sites instead of actually learning. For people who say they trade something - crypto, stocks, fx etc ..... c delta AS A RULE, is formed BECAUSE OF "X". It is not the cause. It is the effect in transit !!!! (THAT last word is key.) As is tick data, cross matched with Bonds, specific stock formats and on and on we go. WOOOW !!!

So is it the lazy or stupid box that people always tick (hahaha) when approaching this stuff?

Experts .... smexperts. Grow a backbone and stop being suckerfish. Therefore dear Rick, cannot teach you something you refuse to acknowledge exists. Been there with you before, done that and still found you wanting. You seem to think you and your kin are the first "......" - fill in the blank and seem to forget Life was already happening when you were born. That is your attitude and it seems to precede people like you. I would deal with that before anything else. I also see so many people trying to talk about other things they don't really understand. My oh my people looove to waste time.

You chose deltas and data and forgot the real world. Who's fault ? Yours. Whose responsibility? Yeah, yours. So EVERYTHING that all these "people" claim, is "trading" is merely an attempt to arrest real life. Can't be down. The faster you all stop bitching and bickering, the faster someone learns. WOW !! Wouldn't THAT be a revelation. Everything has a relationship. End of story.

(Again so sorry Lekkim). IF you choose to understand the process I described above, your c Delta work will go miles beyond "these people".

It's all there in what I wrote. Use it or don't. Learn or don't learn.

"Thanks for coming. I will NOT be here all week. Hihihihehehe"


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #180
  • Feb 26, 2023 5:55am Feb 26, 2023 5:55am
tick vs real data

Quoting infinitus
{quote} FXCM EU 15min Data Real volume vs. Real Trasactions vs. Tick volume look, how nice they correlate {image} learn to use price/volume profiles that is far more interesting than watching simply volume {image}
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...76#post8216776

Quoting infinitus
{quote} Hi Verified, let me explain: studies found, that the tick-volume of big brokers is a very good proxy for true volume. The data showed, that there was a correlation of over 90%. Miss Pips linked one of the studies today. Best data you will get from big brokers with deep liquidity pools, like FXCM (I think it is the biggest broker at the moment). And: only use very liquid pairs like EU, GU, UJ, EG, EJ etc. Also you can use the true volume data from FXCM or Dukascopy. Both offer this data. All this data is clearly not the volume, which is traded...
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