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  • #441
  • Oct 7, 2022 10:10am Oct 7, 2022 10:10am
Quoting spzd
This would make for a more interesting debate ... {image}
I like best but that doesn't mean that's all I drink.

I don't think people understand the difference between the different forums here at FF, a journal is for the thread starter and everyone else is a GUEST.

To have anyone come to your thread to piss and shit on you is unacceptable, the people have no respect and should just fuck off with their opinions, if they have to slam someone else.

Show what YOU GOT or just shut the fuck up. Whoever you are.

There are 10,000 ways to skin a cat, same with trading.

I trade with lines and I mark my charts with lines but I do not have to use ANY CHARTS to trade, but I like to. It is a persons preference to trade the way they want and if those who think they can insult a trader on a personal level over this, needs to get some psychiatric help immediately!

SPZD great thread, even though I don't use this method!
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
  • #442
  • Oct 7, 2022 10:25am Oct 7, 2022 10:25am
Quoting tonyb123
{quote} I like best but that doesn't mean that's all I drink. I don't think people understand the difference between the different forums here at FF, a journal is for the thread starter and everyone else is a GUEST. To have anyone come to your thread to piss and shit on you is unacceptable, the people have no respect and should just fuck off with their opinions, if they have to slam someone else. Show what YOU GOT or just shut the fuck up. Whoever you are. There are 10,000 ways to skin a cat, same with trading. I trade with lines and...
Hey Tony,

I prefer beer also. Dark please.

I shouldn't have to say it, but I did make mention of showing respect when in another's house. Some people are just dense. So I will toy with him until it gets old then ban him. I do not see any other solution as he can't have a discussion without personal attacks. Kinda sociopath tendencies from my view.

Personally anymore, I do not care one way or the other how someone trades or sits on the toilet or whatever.

Take care.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #443
  • Oct 7, 2022 10:36am Oct 7, 2022 10:36am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Why are you such a total asshole? Just asking for the world.
Hello, dear, I couldn't thank Redsword 11 because I didn't know about forex at that time. It's like a legend to me that it passed quickly, at least you are still online, thank you for the help you give to others
  • #444
  • Oct 7, 2022 10:42am Oct 7, 2022 10:42am
Quoting comix1379
{quote} Hello, dear, I couldn't thank Redsword 11 because I didn't know about forex at that time. It's like a legend to me that it passed quickly, at least you are still online, thank you for the help you give to others
That was a long time ago. Thank you.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #445
  • Oct 7, 2022 12:31pm Oct 7, 2022 12:31pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Why are you such a total asshole? Just asking for the world.
You still don't know what volume is for 12 years of trading and calling me asshole haha
Tell me please what exactly you all are "learning" for years here? How to pick correct color for the line? How you think what line color works best red or green? May be maroon lines are the key to success? Please don't stop revealing your amazing trading style, we want to learn more and more!

I think English is very strange in fact. For example where is word "shemale". But in fact not she is male, but he is pretend to be female. So it is "hefemale" isn't it? Same for "trading". You call your activity as trading, but in fact it is just a drawing. Why call artist a trader. But may be I just missing something, because English is not my native
Observer effect
  • #446
  • Edited 2:03pm Oct 7, 2022 1:12pm | Edited 2:03pm
A solution regarding trolls and those who are unloved, in their social circle ,who try to compensate for their perceived lack of self worth by by posting material on another's thread to draw attention their pointless existance.

1.Ban them
2. Do not give the Troll's oxygen by replying to them, but tolerate their cries for attention since their posting is probably a form of cathartic release for them.
3. Put them on 'Ignore.' That way you don't have to acknowledge their existance and save screenspace for your preferred discussions. They still enjoy the cathartic release of the issues surrounding their lack of self worth but no one else has to waste time or screenspace by reading their scribblings or feel any need to reply.

I have him on "ignore " so I am blissfully unaware of his infantile scribblings.

Apologies to Mark for wandering from the purpose of his thread
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #447
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:56pm Oct 7, 2022 1:56pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} You still don't know what volume is for 12 years of trading and calling me asshole haha Tell me please what exactly you all are "learning" for years here? How to pick correct color for the line? How you think what line color works best red or green? May be maroon lines are the key to success? Please don't stop revealing your amazing trading style, we want to learn more and more!
One is not inclusive of the other.

I am coming to the conclussion that, yes I am going to say it ... you really don't know how to trade other than the one little niche you have. Why do I say this? Because you admit that forex data is corrupted on shorter time periods, which I am thinking is what you use (trying to mimic HFTs and all), is corrupted and you can't use it [to trade].

That's cool. If you have something that works - more power to you.

Now, as to my lack of knowledge about volume delta (and that it was so easy to search and find should show how little I care about it) is I really have NO use for it. Volume data back when I first started to play the trading game was expensive. So you learn to do without. Since I don't use it, I don't need it. Pretty simple.

Now, those pesky little lines. Here's a secret ... shhhh .... any color works.

*********

One more thing. Can you explain this ...

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  • #448
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:57pm Oct 7, 2022 1:57pm
Quoting turnip15
A solution regarding trolls and those who are unloved, in their social circle ,who try to compensate for their perceived lack of self worth by by posting seeking attention material on another's thread. 1.Ban them 2. Do not give the Troll's oxygen by replying to them, but tolerate their cries for attention since their posting is probably a form of cathartic release for them. 3. Put them on 'Ignore.' That way you don't have to acknowledge their existance and save screenspace for your preferred discussions. They still enjoy the cathartic release of...
I know but it's Friday and I'm bored. I have no doubt the ban will be coming soon.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #449
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:01pm Oct 7, 2022 2:01pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} You still don't know what volume is for 12 years of trading and calling me asshole haha Tell me please what exactly you all are "learning" for years here? How to pick correct color for the line? How you think what line color works best red or green? May be maroon lines are the key to success? Please don't stop revealing your amazing trading style, we want to learn more and more! I think English is very strange in fact. For example where is...
You sound lonely, no friends? Why don't you just create your own thread and impress us there with your nonsense.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
  • #450
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:10pm Oct 7, 2022 2:10pm
Quoting turnip15
Anyway - back to SB and my version. I need help here. I have sat for three hours this UK morning trying to find a reason to trade the Dax. I put in Asian highs and watched my channel. After 7am settled down ( Franky Open) I could have shorted my channel but I sat there looking and did bugger all ! The Asian Low was 20 points away as a target ! And then a 75 line below that. Some inversions? or consolidations marked in but no action from me. Blue circles could have been good trades with one loss - but I did nothing ! Missed a long - not marked -...
@spzd

Anyone ( except ryu) any ideas?
SB approach ?
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #451
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:21pm Oct 7, 2022 2:21pm
Quoting turnip15
{quote} @spzd Anyone ( except ryu) any ideas? SB approach ?
Sorry, got lost in the ruckus.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #452
  • Edited 3:20pm Oct 7, 2022 2:36pm | Edited 3:20pm
Quoting turnip15
{quote} @spzd Anyone ( except ryu) any ideas? SB approach ?
Damn, sorry i didnt know you trade dax. i dropped analysis in tonyb123 thread yesterday and updated it today.
  • #453
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:44pm Oct 7, 2022 2:44pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Sorry, got lost in the ruckus.
Watching Robbie T 's videos. Any thoughts on his interpretation of SB ?
  • #454
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:50pm Oct 7, 2022 2:50pm
Quoting spzd
Must watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agqzJJwBTSs
Is this you narrating this video?

I recommend this very simple technique, I usually wake up around 9:00 am and see if I want to close my trades from pre london or if they have already hit my TP. Anyway, this is a great little $$$ maker and super easy to follow. I give it as a 1 trade a day technique.
MY GRID. Markets are NOT random.
  • #455
  • Oct 7, 2022 3:09pm Oct 7, 2022 3:09pm
Quoting tonyb123
{quote} Is this you narrating this video? I recommend this very simple technique, I usually wake up around 9:00 am and see if I want to close my trades from pre london or if they have already hit my TP. Anyway, this is a great little $$$ maker and super easy to follow. I give it as a 1 trade a day technique.
Nope not me.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #456
  • Oct 7, 2022 3:37pm Oct 7, 2022 3:37pm
Quoting spzd
Showing my ignorance on the volume thing. I had to look up what volume delta is.
Shows how much attention I paid to volume over my trading time. So, the volume quants look for a certain level of discrepancy between longs and shorts then enter a trade in the direction of their arbitrary pre-determined value.

Hi Mark, (another long one, sorry)

Yes I had a good look also at this volume-delta early on, as I like to dig deep into all stuff, and it was very interesting at the start when ryu added delta to everything else that Rick showed & taught him at the start of their bond. Rick was clearly the mastermind of volume searches, no doubt in my mind on this, and very well done.

I digress a little here when I mention that ryu then took over the operation of the duo, and Rick deferred to ryu mainly for his programming interest & contacts if I remember correctly (it was such a long time ago).

Then ryu determined that DELTA was the key to their whole 57 second opportunity system (and that's the time limit of the delta advantage they have, as Rick posted) where they traded at the delta flip and then had to do this single trade style over & over & over & over & ... well you get the idea ... each time the software indicated a delta flip over the full course of the night (not the kind of trading for me, sorry, but each to their own no probs, and good fortunes to them both honestly).

At this point it was all making some sense to me. In a way lol. (and then it all went crash for them, the validity of ryu's now crypto mission they then went on with the crypto volume problem that soon arose, but that's a story for the future).

But.
Then ryu started propagating this FALSE claim of his that NO-ONE else can possibly trade successfully without using delta-volume, which ryu then extended to and for what reason I do not know, ANYONE else trading other than HIS delta way,
especially traders that use Horizontal Lines for trading where he said those folk were therefore lying (an extraordinary and fallacious assumption by ryu).

People such as any Price Traders (ie pretty much the whole flippin market lol) who will understand that a Horizontal Line is nothing more than a representation of PRICE over on the right hand axis of our charts where it prints the six digits number for us.

If ryu had once suggested that it was WHO'S (ie which trader's) "horizontal price lines" were THE BEST horizontal llines then we could all have had a genuine discussion. But ryu stuck to his misfounded belief that no-one trading price lines can be successful and therefore everyone who suggests that is lying.

Talk about crackers as an assumption, but hey.

The thing that might really upset ryu is that I remember showing Andy once how any of us can read Delta on currencies BUT without delta scanning software that a trader has to WATCH each 1 minute candle UNFOLD - from its open to close (highly time wasting, whew).

But it CAN be done visually and at strategic times on the 1min, when finessing an entry, delta has 'some' value I found for at least that 1 minute (is all).
Volume, on forex, on the other hand has NONE really so ryu is correct enough about forex tick data, imho.

At one point I did take notice of Rick's (a more intelligent assessment imo) overview when Rick said just look for total Tick Value on the 1min to show trader activity.
(I can say here, without Rick's concern I imagine, that the total tick figure on 1m he posted was 120 and that seems On The Money to me whenever I look down there on the 1min chart. What it doesn't do though, imo, is help with a trade any longer than the NEXT 1 minute candle AFTER the 1min candle lol that showed past historical ticks. Therefore FOREX currency traders looking for a longer 20p to 50p runner are not assisted in any way by forex Tick Data or EVEN to my old eyes the forex DELTA change on that forex 1 min candle. But that's just me & my studies, I could be wrong if shown otherwise lol.

Whew. But these were my genuine deep studies I made on ryu's premise, as he was quite determined himself to find a 'something' for his trading which i respected at the time. That respect changed, by his own hand, when he started misleading newcomers to trading posting that NO OTHER trading method was acceptable other than his, and worse LOL, that therefore every trader especially Price Traders (lines) were lying. Andy thinks that all might have had something to do with ryu trying to attract newcomers to moving their trading over to crypto, and (perhaps) over to ryu's broker of choice (and thus the IB info that Kev tracked down put a whole new question mark on his actions & words - and nothing wrong with being an IB at all, just that a trader should declare themselves as a Commercial member.

Having said all that I still respect both Rick & ryu for their trading determination, as i would for any trader dipping their feet into this, oftentimes, crazy world.

I always get back to the,
"there is no ONE way to trade the markets or that one way is BEST" idea
and am still very wary traders of folks who post to newcomers that THEIR way is the only way (and especially lol, therefore everyone else is lying).
And it is not just ryu that has been pushing this one particular falsehood recently, but I will address that other person in good time.

And I would also like to make one more post to ryu here, sorry Mark, to suggest we all take it to a neutral zone lol.

cheers again pal, keep up the good work here and now BACK to The Journal.
  • #457
  • Oct 7, 2022 3:49pm Oct 7, 2022 3:49pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
Sure my friend. First of all I want to make only 2 statements.
2. We have to see orderbook and orderflow. I can't say anything if I don't have that data. It is not possible to do analysis. I mean there is nothing to analyze then. So if you will show me 1m TF and lower + if you add volume data on your chart (at least), then we can pick some trades.

Hi ryu, these are VALID statements you make for sure, I never questioned THAT side of your proposal, you well know I have in the past complimented both yourself & Rick on your work & endeavours into trading the markets the way you do.


Might I suggest we take all this to a "neutral" zone and leave Mark, a real good guy imho, to his Journal development.

As your new friend BWilliam is recently promoting your statements, could you please send a DM over to BWilliam and ask HIM to open a new thread in his own name as a neutral zone where we can all discuss further, openly and in great detail, any topic you wish but maybe just begin with Price Trading (Horizontal Lines).

all the best ryu
Pete
  • #458
  • Oct 7, 2022 4:01pm Oct 7, 2022 4:01pm
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote}
This post actually made it clear to me. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post13974249

Hi FMA,

If that post has made it a little clearer for you I am happy, thank you.
To me the post was merely trying to scratch the surface of a particular point on the chart though, there is so much more.

Have a look FMA at this post, if you wish, from Dutchy where I tried to explain a few things a few months ago
(which might encourage you to dig deeper yourself into forex and find things I didn;t see yet)

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post14017549


Could we please now take these discussions over to Dutchy where I would answer what I can at the time.

I am myself STILL learning and I like to involve in new things and on Mark's Journal here I am seeing & absorbing new things, which for me is terrific.

all the best
Pete
  • #459
  • Oct 7, 2022 4:17pm Oct 7, 2022 4:17pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Mark, (another long one, sorry) Yes I had a good look also at this volume-delta early on, as I like to dig deep into all stuff, and it was very interesting at the start when ryu added delta to everything else that Rick showed & taught him at the start of their bond. Rick was clearly the mastermind of volume searches, no doubt in my mind on this, and very well done. I digress a little here when I mention that ryu then took over the operation of the duo, and Rick deferred to ryu mainly for his programming interest & contacts if I remember...

I always get back to the,
"there is no ONE way to trade the markets or that one way is BEST" idea
and am still very wary traders of folks who post to newcomers that THEIR way is the only way (and especially lol, therefore everyone else is lying

Well said
  • #460
  • Oct 7, 2022 4:38pm Oct 7, 2022 4:38pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi Mark, (another long one, sorry) Yes I had a good look also at this volume-delta early on, as I like to dig deep into all stuff, and it was very interesting at the start when ryu added delta to everything else that Rick showed & taught him at the start of their bond. Rick was clearly the mastermind of volume searches, no doubt in my mind on this, and very well done. I digress a little here when I mention that ryu then took over the operation of the duo, and Rick deferred to ryu mainly for his programming interest & contacts if I remember...
Thanks Pete. I now know enough to know we are dealing with someone who can't accept being wrong and projects his setback (based on the all came crashing down statement) was too much. And now he has this vendetta against PA traders who use horizontal lines in some bizarre attempt to save face or something like that.

Can't make this stuff up folks.

I have no problem with how they trade. I don't like the way they go about marketing their wares.

Thanks for this history lesson and the posts that follow in a likely vain attempt to have all parties act responsibly.

Take care
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
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