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  • #421
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:35am Oct 7, 2022 1:35am
Quoting TimeTells
And poor spzd (sorry mate), who will wake up later for NFP and be bedazzled by the brilliant minds that have wandered in to his Journal Oh well Where to begin. Anyone wanting to see ryu's inability to comprehend markets OR even read a chart - the blind part was my favourite - could start over at Andy's thread 7 months ago where ryu pulled exactly the same antics lol but that's our ryu folks now BW BW probably forgot that his new hero ryu was the first to BAN - banned andy lol - ryu set the precedent https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post13961547...
I had forgotten he was advertising as an introducing broker.

Almost as palatable as hoodwinking people into joining a discord channel under the guise of having a magic indicator that alerted to when sufficient money was available in Crypto to trade.

Only Trading short in a rising Crypto market with 58 secs to make a decision while waiting for the peasants to enter to increase volume…just have to increase or delay the ‘personal indicator’ for a second or two to gain a pump and dump advantage.

And Pete trades Forex long or short using the same move on GJ ON a daily basis and has documented it countless times.

Yes folks. Put your money on Ryu.
  • #422
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:37am Oct 7, 2022 1:37am
Quoting TimeTells
Okay, here's a start, and I will do my best to keep it concise. Briefly. Data can be BOTH QUANTITATIVE or QUALITATIVE. (and NOT necessarily Quantitative VERSUS Qualitative) When a trader imagines to enter a trade, does that trader ever go through a moment of ... Data Anxiety ie do we have enough information at this point in time to execute a trade (well, what is enough I guess is up to each and every trader, and which makes each trader unique in their own way). In the end as Blue/Kev has posted on more than a few occasions, trading is really...
Otherwise, one might posit the idea that one could follow a set of rules, even automate them, and everyone is rich or wrecks the market. Problem is, there is a human in there somewhere.
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #423
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:40am Oct 7, 2022 1:40am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi joyny, Excellent work. Can I ask if you believe that is the ONLY WAY forex can be traded by others successfully.
there should be various ways how to trade successfully. I spent several years till find my preferable approach. have one friend who trade manual and with lines on charts. I invest in him some money. so far in 1 year 60% he did for me. he is so confident about the method. for me, only 1 criteria - is it profitable. If someone master any technique then good for diversifying.
  • #424
  • Oct 7, 2022 1:49am Oct 7, 2022 1:49am
Quoting FulMargnAlch
{quote}
I was just supporting another guy who wants to develop his strategy and I am not trading the way he does nor the way ryu trades. I think ryu's style is better for programmers and the like.

Background checks on such folk are always wise , but i have no drama with ryu he brings it all on himself, always has
just poor spzd lol

Let me quickly address for you, FMA, another one of ryu's ever increasing falsehoods where he suggests cherry-picking of trades

I have a range of charts all sitting on my history lol

But here;s one where over a range of trades I was more than happy to share my winners as well as losers, as THAT is what can happen in trading.
The longer you work at it, study, the losers become fewer, sometimes I close & flip direction with a running chart.

But anyway, a chart of a series of trades I posted one day, as open as I can get, the good & the bad

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...6#post13974246
  • #425
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:01am Oct 7, 2022 2:01am
I hope we don't wander too far from Marks original premise in his first post.
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #426
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:48am Oct 7, 2022 2:48am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Background checks on such folk are always wise , but i have no drama with ryu he brings it all on himself, always has just poor spzd lol Let me quickly address for you, FMA, another one of ryu's ever increasing falsehoods where he suggests cherry-picking of trades I have a range of charts all sitting on my history lol But here;s one where over a range of trades I was more than happy to share my winners as well as losers, as THAT is what can happen in trading. The longer you work at it, study, the losers become...
This post actually made it clear to me.

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post13974249
The market hides a perfect geometry.
  • #427
  • Oct 7, 2022 2:49am Oct 7, 2022 2:49am
Anyway - back to SB and my version.
I need help here.
I have sat for three hours this UK morning trying to find a reason to trade the Dax.
I put in Asian highs and watched my channel. After 7am settled down ( Franky Open) I could have shorted my channel but I sat there looking and did bugger all ! The Asian Low was 20 points away as a target ! And then a 75 line below that. Some inversions? or consolidations marked in but no action from me. Blue circles could have been good trades with one loss - but I did nothing ! Missed a long - not marked - at the end of UK session ( 10am for me)
Weird morning of inaction by me.

Any spzd trades seen on my chart?

And - maybe all the RED news due today affected me/things/price technical patterns?
Anyway - I am taking the rest of Friday off, to return to the fray next week.
No fighting, biting or scratching whilst I am away please
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  • #429
  • Oct 7, 2022 5:15am Oct 7, 2022 5:15am
Quoting ryuryu
What I can't get is why you guys can't test the ideas you have? Ok, for example your new idea is to draw Asian High and Asian Low. So what?
I can tell you that there is no positive expectation in that approach.

Hi ryu, one can only say there is no positive expectation if they use a generic idea, such as the market is random and therefore a coin-flip each time.

I have to assume you mean you were unable to get a positive outcome trading forex. I can find no other explanation for your statement.
And that is not an issue with you or any trader.
Once the Market is seen to have dynamic repeatable mechanics, a trader can then edge the expectation in their favour.

The test then is the trade. No backtest, the test is how you trade, how you handle yourself as the bullets are flying so to speak.

I always like to dig deep into the why of things both market-wise and world-wise.

So can we find some common ground, you & I. Hopefully.

Let’s look inside how we both see the Market (and you & I have been over this many times).

Please read this again, as a genuine attempt I made at a discussion reply to you months ago, where I assumed we made a breakthrough. Who knows now.

https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...2#post13991002
  • #430
  • Oct 7, 2022 5:42am Oct 7, 2022 5:42am
And I am so humbly apologetic spzd for bringing all this to your Journal.

You seemed to have similar ideas on the market and its behaviour mechanism to myself,
so it has been a pleasure discussing such things and exchanging charts.

Finally, and not so much for ryu bless him,
but for any new trader who wonders what does a controlled market even look like.

As, if a trader comes to the conclusion, for whatever reason, that our markets ARE (highly) organised above and beyond buyers & sellers
then maybe this final chart might at least have someone ask the question, is it controlled or not

(remembering I have stated many times that I could not and WOULD not be trading these markets if I thought they were random outcomes of buyers & sellers)

(ps AND far too rich for me the NFP lol, I did not trade it, I just LOVE to see it each month before hitting the sack straight after).

GBPJPY at NFP

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  • #431
  • Oct 7, 2022 5:49am Oct 7, 2022 5:49am
Quoting TimeTells
And I am so humbly apologetic spzd for bringing all this to your Journal. You seemed to have similar ideas on the market and its behaviour mechanism to myself, so it has been a pleasure discussing such things and exchanging charts. Finally, and not so much for ryu bless him, but for any new trader who wonders what does a controlled market even look like. As, if a trader comes to the conclusion, for whatever reason, that our markets ARE (highly) organised above and beyond buyers & sellers then maybe this final chart might at least have someone ask...
Is this the Fed hefting their muscle against the other CBs ... hmmm





No apologies about the goings on. All is good. I am well aware of how the other side acts. Sent you a DM.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #432
  • Oct 7, 2022 6:01am Oct 7, 2022 6:01am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Is this the Fed hefting their muscle against the other CBs ... hmmm No apologies about the goings on. All is good. I am well aware of how the other side acts. Sent you a DM.
They did not even hesitate and sent it straight down.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #433
  • Oct 7, 2022 6:21am Oct 7, 2022 6:21am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Bullshit {quote} There is only 2 problems here. First is that it is repeatable when you look at the historical data on your charts. If you interact with market it is not. And second problem is that it is repeatable in max 47% of time. So if you tell us that you are profitable then you can magically skip bad entries to get your 50%+. Now please tell me how it can be possible without any magic wand? And of course you don't need volume data if your trades are in your dreams only. Agree. p.s. No fresh degen gamblers to read your "Flying Bullshit"...
Hey Little Ricky,

I see you have some personal emotional/mental issues through your interactions. And it is obvious you focus much of this issue(s) on one person.

You do realize that when you come to someone else's home you need to act in a basic respectful manner. You do not seem to have that filter. You may want to seek professional help for your personal issues.

Now the trading part. Every one of us who trades with those damn lines trades differently. All very similar, but each unique. No, we do not need volume. The way we trade is the way Livermore traded. Hell, he may even have remembered the volume numbers also. Matters not.

The methods we use are based in well over a hundred years of testing. And it has passed that test as it is still here in the Day of the Quants. Sounds like some crappy B movie.

So, when you come to my house you need to show some respect for all here. If not after this post, I will ban you and everyone who looks like you.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #436
  • Oct 7, 2022 6:43am Oct 7, 2022 6:43am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} {quote} Ok please ban me my friend. As I see you don't need real answers on your questions. You want to read blah-blah-blah about brand new never ever seen drawing tools approach. Not a problem at all. I'm happy when I see all that bullshit again and again more and more. Why? Because if you will deposit real 50$ (first time in your life), I'll take it. Keep feeding brokers and dreaming. I know why you are so angry. Because you failed. And keep failing. And you know that I'm right. But you better keep dreaming and drawing stupid lines then...
Hey Little Ricky,

You want me to ban you just to ban you, but where is the fun in that.

You are definitely set in your belief that yours is the only way.

There is only one question that needs to be asked/answered at this point.

Do you think other methods of trading are viable?

And cut the fucking I hate the world and I am better than all self-righteous bullshit. These games get old.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #437
  • Oct 7, 2022 7:31am Oct 7, 2022 7:31am
Showing my ignorance on the volume thing. I had to look up what volume delta is. Shows how much attention I paid to volume over my trading time.

So, the volume quants look for a certain level of discrepancy between longs and shorts then enter a trade in the direction of their arbitrary pre-determined value. If I am wrong will someone please correct me.

And, by his own words, the data is corrupted on forex at smaller time frames. Yet, we are supposed to accept that it works just fine on other instruments.
Whereas, my method, which uses set pre-determined values, is nothing but hoodoo mumbo jumbo.

Got it.

Back to the magic then.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #438
  • Oct 7, 2022 7:39am Oct 7, 2022 7:39am
This would make for a more interesting debate ...


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  • #440
  • Oct 7, 2022 8:07am Oct 7, 2022 8:07am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} spzd, Joined Dec 2010 You looked what volume delta today? After 12 years of trading? You are promising. After another 12 years, you will learn how to use calculator and find out for yourself that trading on Forex is not so profitable (approximately at least 5 times). I'll wait. {quote} Methods? Show me methods. Drawing lines is not a method.
Why are you such a total asshole? Just asking for the world.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
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