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  • First Post: Edited Jan 9, 2026 5:49pm Sep 5, 2022 6:41pm | Edited Jan 9, 2026 5:49pm
Admission: I have concluded I can't trade naked price action.

I have created a good system.

New stuff starts here Volman meets Burke or My journey with PA | Page 175 | Forex Factory


FINAL PHASE Pt 1

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This is it. The End.

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Real quick. The title. Bob Volman worte a bok (actually 2) titled "Understanding Price Action: Practical Analysis for the 5 Minute Time Frame", which I have read and am starting to implement. Stacey Burke has a youtube channel, with a ton of videos, that go over his method. I am in the process of morphing these two PA methods into my own. And here I will talk some about this journey.

I have wanted to convert to PA trading for a long time now. Then I stumbled on the thread Price Action at the core, which led to other threads and ended with Flying Dutchman.

And since I have recently "retired", I currently have some free time to devote to this.

Up to this point I have been a mediocre indicator trader. I was ready to launch into another mess of indis when, after watching a couple Burke vids, to jump head first into price action trading. Been about a month and I think I am making good progress. This is likely the result of hours of chart time and absorbing all that data into my subconscious and now it's all gushing out. (my wife thinks I am being a bit obsessive in my new endeavor, but when you are finally achieving that which has eluded you ....

So, this will be that occasionally posted journey.

I will (mostly) use conventional terms. It's the only - chart - language most speak and what's easiest for me.

Charts are coming ...

Phase 1 is done. Learn stuff and all.

Phase 2 begins here ...

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Phase 3 begins about here ...

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The title of this thread should now and probably for the foreseeable future be called ...

How I use MAs within a general PA framework

Final phase begins here: Volman meets Burke or My journey with PA | Page 74 | Forex Factory

****5/6/2023- Thought this was it, noooo
THIS IS THE FINAL PHASE

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This is a true piece of art.

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********** 5/6/2023 Starting here may be the final (short of some minor tweeks)

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  • #2
  • Sep 5, 2022 7:36pm Sep 5, 2022 7:36pm
The best decision I have ever made in my trading history (and I have been doing this part time for almost 30 years) is adapting Stacey Burke's method. All FREE. All the info he has put out the last three years - SAME. A very viable method that is completely wash, rinse, repeat.

Time
HOD/LOD
BRN
Basic entry using pin-hammer and engulfing bars.

All easily tradable off the M15 chart.

This method truly is simplicity at its best.

Then you go and trade it live the first time and realize you need to touch up on chart reading. (My excuse to the wife is I have hardly had an open chart in front of me for the last three years. Her response yeah, yeah always with the excuses ...)

Then I realized I needed to turn off that stupid indicator thought maker and go all in PA.

It boils down to trading boxes created as price moves creating that day's new highs and lows or just meandering in the previous session(s) range. It does both. And then the reaction/action of price at those high and lows. Over time you see the patterns you are looking for a lot easier and this makes entries smoother.

Then you learn to read price horizontally - YES YOU USE LINES!!

From there you see how the previous session left spots to take trades.

All this can be started using just pin-hammer bars and engulfing bars. To be honest, you could stop right there and quite likely make good. The right pair (preferably one that makes minimum 25 pip moves) and that basic entry can become a career.

There are other entries and patterns you discover. Not always something you would trade, but information.
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  • #3
  • Sep 5, 2022 8:21pm Sep 5, 2022 8:21pm
After a few attempts to trade on the M1 made an effort to find information on trading shorter time frames. The 5 minute came up a number of times. I wanted to find somebody (anybody) than to try and tackle Al Brooks again. I am not there yet.

Then I found Volman's book. Kind of like the idiots guide to the 5 minute compared to Brooks. Volman definitely looks at the market as a war. Bulls vs Bears in a never ending death throw ...

It is basic old school well written.

So, I decided to combine the two methods.

Neither method is unique. These basic methods and many variants have existed for years. The fact that they can still be valid is what is amazing. Yet, they work like a charm.

Looking forward to when this becomes second nature. Should not take too long at the present rate of progress.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #4
  • Sep 5, 2022 8:52pm Sep 5, 2022 8:52pm
One thing is for sure. It takes many long hours to fully absorb this information. There are no shortcuts. I am glad I have lots of screen time to help speed up my progress. The patterns sink into your deep memory then whoosh out they come. Almost as if all the previous time was meant to be. Who knows.

I will be posting screen shots and how I see things. I am not going to predict where price is going. Tried that before. Total failure. Will just use my knowledge of PA, what that may be, to determine when the highs/lows have been reached.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #5
  • Sep 6, 2022 9:00am Sep 6, 2022 9:00am
Quoting spzd;14125556[B
]The best decision I have ever made in my trading history (and I have been doing this part time for almost 30 years) is adapting Stacey Burke's method.[/b] All FREE. All the info he has put out the last three years - SAME. A very viable method that is completely wash, rinse, repeat. Time HOD/LOD BRN Basic entry using pin-hammer and engulfing bars. All easily tradable off the M15 chart. This method truly is simplicity at its best. Then you go and trade it live the first time and realize you need to touch up on chart reading. (My excuse to the wife is I have hardly had an open chart in front of me for the last three years. Her response yeah, yeah always with the excuses ...) Then I realized I needed to turn off that stupid indicator thought maker and go all in PA. It boils down to trading boxes created as price moves creating that day's new highs and lows or just meandering in the previous session(s) range. It does both. And then the reaction/action of price at those high and lows. Over time you see the patterns you are looking for a lot easier and this makes entries smoother. Then you learn to read price horizontally - YES YOU USE LINES!! From there you see how the previous session left spots to take trades. All this can be started using just pin-hammer bars and engulfing bars. To be honest, you could stop right there and quite likely make good. The right pair (preferably one that makes minimum 25 pip moves) and that basic entry can become a career. There are other entries and patterns you discover. Not always something you would trade, but information.
I am rapidly coming to the same view
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #6
  • Sep 6, 2022 3:11pm Sep 6, 2022 3:11pm
Mostly babbling so far. All with information.

If you trade minor crosses you have likely noticed that some days they move as they should, other days they are flat and dull. I think that results from the direct dollar pair days and the crosses days. Some days the US dollar vs mainly the Euro and Pound have better moves. Other days it's all the others. I just calll them dollar yes days or dollar no days.
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  • #7
  • Sep 6, 2022 3:16pm Sep 6, 2022 3:16pm
From Burke's white board:

1) Structure (HOW/LOW, boxes)

2) HOD/LOD

3) Timings (the 3 sessions, equities markets opens)

4) Round Numbers (00/50, stop hunts of 25 to 50 pips)

5) pin-hammers/engulfing bars

6) 1 bar stop/pay yourself

These are the main components of his method.
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  • #8
  • Sep 6, 2022 3:21pm Sep 6, 2022 3:21pm
I don't even try to be conventional wisdom when it comes to trading anymore. I'm not some quasi-celeb talking head nor am I a master fund manager so I can view the markets how I please and what works for me.
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  • #9
  • Sep 6, 2022 5:27pm Sep 6, 2022 5:27pm
Working through my mind (as you see there is a nail in the way) on how to explain my viewpoint of Burke's method. Even though it is a basic method. It is more than what is on the surface and I want to do it as much justice as I can.
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  • #10
  • Sep 6, 2022 5:53pm Sep 6, 2022 5:53pm
Price movement:

1) Breakout, pullback, continue

2) Breakout, pullback, reversal

3) Breakout, pullback, range

The 3 basic things price does.

We also need to think about "where's the money".

This is where are the orders. The algo's prime directive is to collect orders. The stop hunts are just a result of going after orders to collect.
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  • #11
  • Sep 6, 2022 5:57pm Sep 6, 2022 5:57pm
Quoting spzd
Price movement: 1) Breakout, pullback, continue 2) Breakout, pullback, reversal 3) Breakout, pullback, range The 3 basic things price does. We also need to think about "where's the money". This is where are the orders. The algo's prime directive is to collect orders. The stop hunts are just a result of going after orders to collect.
Look for liquidity levels on 4hr and daily tf. look for them at extremes. easy to find and some huge pips to be had
  • #12
  • Sep 6, 2022 5:59pm Sep 6, 2022 5:59pm
Quoting spzd
Real quick. The title. Bob Volman worte a bok (actually 2) titled "Understanding Price Action: Practical Analysis for the 5 Minute Time Frame", which I have read and am starting to implement. Stacey Burke has a youtube channel, with a ton of videos, that go over his method. I am in the process of morphing these two PA methods into my own. And here I will talk some about this journey. I have wanted to convert to PA trading for a long time now. Then I stumbled on the thread Price...
Keep watching Stacy
  • #13
  • Sep 6, 2022 6:06pm Sep 6, 2022 6:06pm
Quoting T721
{quote} Look for liquidity levels on 4hr and daily tf. look for them at extremes. easy to find and some huge pips to be had
Just starting back up after about 3 years. Have been doing the accelerated program (think I am putting in more hours now than when I was working my rear off). Not quite ready to bring that into the analysis as it tends to throw me off in the process I currently have set up. Once I get this to the no need to think about phase I will start to bring in some different things.
Mark ... Everything you have been told is a LIE
  • #14
  • Sep 6, 2022 6:14pm Sep 6, 2022 6:14pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Just starting back up after about 3 years. Have been doing the accelerated program (think I am putting in more hours now than when I was working my rear off). Not quite ready to bring that into the analysis as it tends to throw me off in the process I currently have set up. Once I get this to the no need to think about phase I will start to bring in some different things.
Look at the thread i started, theres a lot of useful info there for you
  • #15
  • Sep 6, 2022 9:15pm Sep 6, 2022 9:15pm
Until this video I was still a bit lost on PFH/PFL Peak Formation High/Low. These are the last major high and low that affect the area the market is currently at.

Inserted Video
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  • #16
  • Sep 6, 2022 11:08pm Sep 6, 2022 11:08pm
Great start to your journal and it looks like you've found a nice method that you make your own and find success with in the markets.
Keep going!!
Empty your mind and let the market guide you
  • #17
  • Sep 6, 2022 11:35pm Sep 6, 2022 11:35pm
Quoting SunnyCoast
Great start to your journal and it looks like you've found a nice method that you make your own and find success with in the markets. Keep going!!
Thanks
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  • #18
  • Sep 6, 2022 11:39pm Sep 6, 2022 11:39pm
Quoting whitesta
Subscribed Brother.
Thanks. Will see how this goes.
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  • #19
  • Sep 6, 2022 11:49pm Sep 6, 2022 11:49pm
Quoting spzd
{quote} Thanks. Will see how this goes.
All the best and hope to learn more.
  • #20
  • Sep 7, 2022 1:59am Sep 7, 2022 1:59am
Great topic, first of all thank you. This topic can help me a lot, because my english is very poor, so watching videos on youtube is difficult.
I'm following the Flying Dutchman thread, it's really fascinating, but very confusing for me (maybe I'm not very smart hhh). But I've been focused on Blue (bluesteele) and am reading every single one of his posts from 2021 (Sorry for peeking at you, thank you for sharing good things - Blue hhh, ).
Hope to learn a lot from your topic. Please continue to share lots of charts!
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