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  • Jan 21, 2022 10:38am Jan 21, 2022 10:38am
  •  9jatrader
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If you cannot make a pip in demo how do you expect to make from where emotion is higher
Make all possible mistakes in Demo and rain in pips in live account
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  •  sowona
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{quote} What lot as in 0.01 is micro 1.0 is standard lot?
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Yes.

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I trade anything from micro and up. The next trade can be 1.0 lot, I have no idea. Lot sizes vary as does TP & SL levels, what netter is the outcome size relative to equity. At this point I don't even know how this can be solved or what I'm looking for. But the problem is still there
Your EA needs to roundup the lot acounding to this. You can't just let it be anything without boundaries, that disaster in the making. You need to quantify a bit better. The same way to need to round order price to pipettes, you also need to round the lot size accordingly.

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Imagine the algorithm calculations says the lot size should be 0.0065734 for this trade outcome to result in a -5% or +5%... You see where is the problem? Exactly we don't have 0.0065734 lots, thefore it's rounded to 0.01.
It means that when you are planning a trade you'd like the outcome to be -5% or +5%.
-5% or +5% of what? Are you saying that you'd like the profit to be +5% of your Equity or the loss to be -5% as of your equity?
Thanks! Good luck with all your trading. Serge.
 
 
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  • Jan 21, 2022 11:12am Jan 21, 2022 11:12am
  •  captalTrader
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{quote} Yes. {quote} Your EA needs to roundup the lot acounding to this. You can't just let it be anything without boundaries, that disaster in the making. You need to quantify a bit better. The same way to need to round order price to pipettes, you also need to round the lot size accordingly. Reading this {quote} It means that when you are planning a trade you'd like the outcome to be -5% or +5%. -5% or +5% of what? Are you saying that you'd like the profit to be +5% of your Equity or the loss to be -5% as of your equity?
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Yes excuse my math language. Simplifying everything.

-5% if equity incase of stoploss
 
 
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If you cannot make a pip in demo how do you expect to make from where emotion is higher
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Wise words.

If you're not scalping thought
 
 
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  • Jan 21, 2022 11:38am Jan 21, 2022 11:38am
  •  K40
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Dont mind me watcing ... it call R:R ...
if your risk sl 100 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ... R:R 1
if your risk sl is 50 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ..R;R 2
etc ...
 
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  •  sowona
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{quote} Yes excuse my math language. Simplifying everything. -5% if equity incase of stoploss
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Let say base on your probabilities, you'll enter the market at price A and you want to exit when you either:

  1. make a profit of 5% of your equity
  2. make a loss of 5% of your equity.

That means that your SL=PriceA-5% and TP=PriceA+5% in case of a long trade. So 5% become your R, risk reward ration(RRR).
So the true question is how much pips represent 5% of your equity.
The answer is it depends on your equity, your account base currency, your account leverage and the currency pair you are trading.
Is this what your are looking for before I deep dive in how to calculate the Lot size once you know the pips?

Thanks! Good luck with all your trading. Serge.
 
 
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  •  captalTrader
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{quote} Let say base on your probabilities, you'll enter the market at price A and you want to exit when you either: make a profit of 5% of your equity make a loss of 5% of your equity. That means that your SL=PriceA-5% and TP=PriceA+5% in case of a long trade. So 5% become your R, risk reward ration(RRR). So the true question is how much pips represent 5% of your equity. The answer is it depends on your equity, your account base currency, your account leverage and the currency pair you are trading. Is this what your are looking for before I deep...
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Think of this way. Trade setup comes with an open price, TP and SL. Risk per trade is fixed at at 5% per trade at a ratio of 1:1.

Then after you can then work out the lot size. It can't be any other way.
 
 
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if your risk sl 100 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ... R:R 1
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if your risk sl is 50 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ..R;R 2
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Observer effect
 
 
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Dont mind me watcing ... it call R:R ... if your risk sl 100 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ... R:R 1 if your risk sl is 50 pips , and your tp is 100 pips ..R;R 2 etc ...
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if your risk without SL , and your TP is 100 pips ... R:R is ?
 
 
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  •  sowona
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{quote} Think of this way. Trade setup comes with an open price, TP and SL. Risk per trade is fixed at at 5% per trade at a ratio of 1:1. Then after you can then work out the lot size. It can't be any other way.
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Thought you need some help to calculate the lot size. I was happy to take you to the process of translating 5% profit/loss, into pips then lot size. But looks like you have figure it out.

Good luck with your EA!
Thanks! Good luck with all your trading. Serge.
 
 
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  • Jan 22, 2022 5:37am Jan 22, 2022 5:37am
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{quote} Wise words. If you're not scalping thought
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Swing trading reigns
Make all possible mistakes in Demo and rain in pips in live account
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  • Jan 22, 2022 8:12am Jan 22, 2022 8:12am
  •  jinxee
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You tried trading Forex and it didn't work out for you so don't make the argument that Forex trading is impossible.

If you're gonna run after 'The Profitable System' then you won't find it. I heard this quote from somewhere that "Your analysis is nothing but a way of giving you guts to take the trade". You can call profitable people lucky if that makes you sleep at night but maybe your thread should rather be a guide for people learning when to quit if things don't work out for them.
 
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  • Jan 22, 2022 8:41am Jan 22, 2022 8:41am
  •  K40
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They CALL it ALL in ...
 
 
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  • Jan 22, 2022 9:23am Jan 22, 2022 9:23am
  •  tetis
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The math say if the lot size calculation was accurate from trade number 1, today growth would be 234% How do I make these lot sizes accurate?????? Is it a limitation? I have thought about this. If the numbers says the lot size should be 0.0546788 for example, mql5 will round up to 0.05 lot. After 69 trades those little 0.0046788 would add up to be 0.3228372!!!! Can someone please show me the wisdom. What I'm missing? Maybe there is a simple way to solve...
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I am not a mathematician nor programmer.
In the case of rounding numbers in the MetaTrader programmer. In this case because of limitation of lot size to 0.01 its better you give ability to your EA that round the number to nearest acceptable number for meta trader and give a tolerant to your Risk reward from 5 percent to 4.9 , 4.8 ...or 5.1 , 5.2 and....
 
 
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  • Jan 23, 2022 2:04am Jan 23, 2022 2:04am
  •  captalTrader
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You tried trading Forex and it didn't work out for you so don't make the argument that Forex trading is impossible. If you're gonna run after 'The Profitable System' then you won't find it. I heard this quote from somewhere that "Your analysis is nothing but a way of giving you guts to take the trade". You can call profitable people lucky if that makes you sleep at night but maybe your thread should rather be a guide for people learning when to quit if things don't work out for them.
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Where did I say I tried Forex now?

You can't read or you read to reply, not to understand?

I'm a logical person, I don't take decision based on emotions, especially those that involves my finances.

If had even considered to try Forex, the following reasons was going to go through my mind, Seeing that Forex trading have a 2:10 chances of success would mean it's close to impossible, chances of success are not worth the risk and effort. 2:10 comes from 98% losing traders stats.

I'm just a curious person. That's all
 
 
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  • Jan 23, 2022 2:11am Jan 23, 2022 2:11am
  •  jinxee
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{quote} Where did I say I tried Forex now? You can't read or you read to reply, not to understand? I'm a logical person, I don't take decision based on emotions, especially those that involves my finances. If had even considered to try Forex, the following reasons was going to go through my mind, Seeing that Forex trading have a 2:10 chances of success would mean it's close to impossible, chances of success are not worth the risk and effort. 2:10 comes from 98% losing traders stats. I'm just a curious person. That's all...
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It's okay, fret not. Trading doesn't work for everyone, if it's impossible for you to make a living off trading, there are other income sources.
Now instead of being stuck to it, let go of it. Trading has hurt a ton of people but that shouldn't stop you from excelling in other jobs. Let go of it and good luck with your next venture.
 
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  • Jan 23, 2022 4:11am Jan 23, 2022 4:11am
  •  captalTrader
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{quote} It's okay, fret not. Trading doesn't work for everyone, if it's impossible for you to make a living off trading, there are other income sources. Now instead of being stuck to it, let go of it. Trading has hurt a ton of people but that shouldn't stop you from excelling in other jobs. Let go of it and good luck with your next venture.
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Ok so... You're an idiot
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· Forex Market is random. RANDOM (I replace Random with Chaotic) Okay these are a facts you
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You are looking at the wrong things for determining if forex or any other market is random.
No simple candle pasterns will ever produce anything but random results.
In fact every time you want to trade based on some rule it will be random.
 
 
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I agree is a very interesting post and agree with some points, but still think the market is unknown and attractive。
 
 
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