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  • #3,841
  • Nov 6, 2021 11:42am Nov 6, 2021 11:42am
Swede,

Quoting Swede
I {quote} I suggest you open your own forum, using your methods, your post are of no benefit to followers if they don’t have the tools available to them nor understand the concept behind the posts. What is the point? {image}
Well, instead of opening/starting my own forum, a better idea would be to write a book or a blog. Isn't it?
Tools... Aren't there tools that allow the plotting of geometrical shapes?
As this is the "Time and Price Forecasting" thread, I thought to add some Time Forecasting geometrical methods. The concept is not so hard to understand
at least to a veteran trader like you. And those who won't understand will ask, if willing.


Quoting Swede
I {quote} And looking at your blog I think you really should teach the definitions of the following pic. {image}
Simple googling would have been enough. And above all these are astrological terms anybody having knowledge of it, surely will know these terms.
Will a Gann follower ever ask what does TTTA means? Same here.


Quoting Swede
I {quote} i know there are many genius traders that come out of India, you may be one of them who can teach your methods.




Regards
  • #3,842
  • Nov 8, 2021 11:03am Nov 8, 2021 11:03am
Quoting Swede
For those who follow a proven system like MSJ square the range, below is a 250 pip no brainer trade (according to the rules). Now, one has to be patient for these to develope, but when they present themselves you have a very clear entry, a very clear exit and a bank full of cash..lol {image}

Swede,

Wanna ask you a question. First, let me have clear my position wrt to this question.
I simply follow some of my Astro "nuskhe's" (logics) and to some extent simple geometry, which helped me a lot.

Also, my aim is to learn, and that is why I have subscribed to this thread. Learnt a lot, also, modified a lot to suit my style and market.

I had never been involved in GANN geometry, except 45 Degree angle and that too using :

1. it as a Support if prices are above and resistance, if prices are below it.
2. Plotting it from bottom of any swing or high
3. Plotting it from ZERO

Now coming to the question -

Apart from this, above mentioned uses of mine, how can we use this 45 deg line?

You have great experience in these geometrical techniques. @kapital, @parisboy and others can also participate and lets have a healthy discussion.

Looking forward to the same.

But, please don't repeat the uses, again and again.

Regards
  • #3,843
  • Nov 8, 2021 12:53pm Nov 8, 2021 12:53pm
Quoting piptakers
{quote} Swede, Wanna ask you a question. First, let me have clear my position wrt to this question. I simply follow some of my Astro "nuskhe's" (logics) and to some extent simple geometry, which helped me a lot. Also, my aim is to learn, and that is why I have subscribed to this thread. Learnt a lot, also, modified a lot to suit my style and market. I had never been involved in GANN geometry, except 45 Degree angle and that too using : 1. it as a Support if prices are above and resistance, if prices are below it. 2. Plotting it from bottom of any...
We have been through this many times so before there can be any discussion about geometric angles there has to be an understanding on scaling your chart. A 45 degree angle ( or any other angle) is not necessarily 45 degrees on and unscaled chart. This is the beginning of analyses and if it is not understood there is nothing further to discuss. This is where 90 percent of of traders give up because they do not understand this fundamental.

i can only speak for MT4 charts but I illustrated a step by step previously ( few months ago)so read the forum from the beginning and you will find many posts on the subject.

Because of difficulties scaling Mt4 and keeping it scaled, I have found using percentages (fib span, retrace,etc) much more accurate in analyses, and of course squaring and using 1/2 angles derived from impulse waves to be perfect for this platform because percentages of price movement are just that, no scaling required.

But it if you insist on using geometric angles, with an mt4 or 5 platform you will get very frustrated if your scale is not locked.
  • #3,844
  • Edited 7:24pm Nov 8, 2021 1:27pm | Edited 7:24pm
For example piptakers...here is an unscaled 4 hour Cable chart....we highlighted the swing from early August and squared it out....now we know the 1 x 1 is a very powerful lead indicator and so is the 45 degree angle (on a scaled chart) but where is the best and safest move, where would you prefer to have your trade entered and when did the big move come( see arrow)In this case we did not have to scale the chart...just trade off the 1 x 1 or 4 x 1 etc....way easier than using degrees....the 1 x 1 can be any degree as long as your drawing from the squares.
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  • #3,845
  • Edited 7:21pm Nov 8, 2021 4:31pm | Edited 7:21pm
same chart, secret angle method....each level approx 60 pips......there many with trend and counter trend trades at every level...and no scaling necessary
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  • #3,846
  • Nov 8, 2021 10:55pm Nov 8, 2021 10:55pm
Quoting Swede
For example piptakers...here is an unscaled 4 hour Cable chart....we highlighted the swing from early August and squared it out....now we know the 1 x 1 is a very powerful lead indicator and so is the 45 degree angle (on a scaled chart) but where is the best and safest move, where would you prefer to have your trade entered and when did the big move come( see arrow)In this case we did not have to scale the chart...just trade off the 1 x 1 or 4 x 1 etc....way easier than using degrees....the 1 x 1 can be any degree as long as your drawing from the...
Swede,

Thanks a lot for this image with the description. This was for a downtrend. Can you post one more for uptrend?
I will code for both the logic and post my observations and questions, obviously expecting the former to be few and later to be more.
  • #3,847
  • Nov 9, 2021 9:00am Nov 9, 2021 9:00am
Quoting Swede
For example piptakers...here is an unscaled 4 hour Cable chart....we highlighted the swing from early August and squared it out....now we know the 1 x 1 is a very powerful lead indicator and so is the 45 degree angle (on a scaled chart) but where is the best and safest move, where would you prefer to have your trade entered and when did the big move come( see arrow)In this case we did not have to scale the chart...just trade off the 1 x 1 or 4 x 1 etc....way easier than using degrees....the 1 x 1 can be any degree as long as your drawing from the...

Thank you Swede. "To scale or not to scale", bouncing around in my head for some time, thank you for helping stop the bounce. BTW, to me, seems like Jenkins himself helped design geometric features and drawing tools for TradingView, it's all there.
  • #3,848
  • Nov 9, 2021 10:22am Nov 9, 2021 10:22am
Quoting Jairay
{quote} ....seems like Jenkins himself helped design geometric features and drawing tools for TradingView, it's all there.
S&P emini, 15 min, no scale, secret angle method, it works! TradingView, takes abt two minutes to draw it up. Two trades this AM (short), generally just get one, Tuesdays are great for S&P secret angle method. Red line is mid point.
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  • #3,849
  • Nov 9, 2021 11:12am Nov 9, 2021 11:12am
Quoting piptakers
{quote} Swede, Thanks a lot for this image with the description. This was for a downtrend. Can you post one more for uptrend? I will code for both the logic and post my observations and questions, obviously expecting the former to be few and later to be more.
Sure, even though Cable looks overall short, a minor uptrend started last week, so here is the 15 min chart....note the degree from low to high, then the 1/2 angle and the fib drawing with it....there was a nice long return to trend a few min ago if your in the day trading mindset...
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  • #3,850
  • Nov 9, 2021 11:21am Nov 9, 2021 11:21am
Quoting Jairay
{quote} Thank you Swede. "To scale or not to scale", bouncing around in my head for some time, thank you for helping stop the bounce. BTW, to me, seems like Jenkins himself helped design geometric features and drawing tools for TradingView, it's all there.
yes trading view have a few superior tools, but we have a few superior ones in mt4 that have been developed, such as a basic MSJ (his personal favorite) squaring the range...here is an example and the indicator.....only in mt4 coded by jeanlouie...same 15 min cable chart
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  • #3,851
  • Nov 9, 2021 11:38am Nov 9, 2021 11:38am
or you can set the grid to take in the complete range as it stands...
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  • #3,852
  • Nov 9, 2021 1:23pm Nov 9, 2021 1:23pm
Quoting Jairay
{quote} S&P emini, 15 min, no scale, secret angle method, it works! TradingView, takes abt two minutes to draw it up. Two trades this AM (short), generally just get one, Tuesdays are great for S&P secret angle method. Red line is mid point. {image}
as an experiment, use the same indicator you show on the GU 15 minute chart to compare with the one I posted....
  • #3,853
  • Nov 9, 2021 6:57pm Nov 9, 2021 6:57pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} as an experiment, use the same indicator you show on the GU 15 minute chart to compare with the one I posted....
..there you go...must be 'I say tomato, you say tomato' thing. Systems/techniques posted by most common contributors seem to all work.
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  • #3,854
  • Nov 9, 2021 10:41pm Nov 9, 2021 10:41pm
Quoting Jairay
{quote} ..there you go...must be 'I say tomato, you say tomato' thing. Systems/techniques posted by most common contributors seem to all work. {image}
There you go....this is a very accurate day trading setup....the entry gave up 32 pips as cable resumed its minor up trend, and if you left a runner on it may very well double that.......but the point of all this is the angles are a result of measuring the swing or impulse wave from high to low or low to high, regardless of wether or not the chart is scaled, that’s the beauty of using the DNA of a move to determine angles, not simply slapping a 45.60.90 from a high or low point and expecting price to react when touched....
  • #3,855
  • Nov 10, 2021 10:12am Nov 10, 2021 10:12am
Quoting Swede
{quote} There you go....this is a very accurate day trading setup....the entry gave up 32 pips as cable resumed its minor up trend, and if you left a runner on it may very well double that.......but the point of all this is the angles are a result of measuring the swing or impulse wave from high to low or low to high, regardless of wether or not the chart is scaled, that’s the beauty of using the DNA of a move to determine angles, not simply slapping a 45.60.90 from a high or low point and expecting price to react when touched....
Works....CL (Crude) 15 min, no scale...general observations:

1. If price breaks down through angle line, retest said line, and then moves away and closes at low of bar, enter, solid win rate.
2. Price moves extremely fast from entry point, if not, generally sideway move or slow drift to angle line, minimizing risk.
3. Love and trust angle lines and make wife happy!
4. All of the above apply to attached chart.
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  • #3,856
  • Nov 11, 2021 10:25am Nov 11, 2021 10:25am
Quoting Jairay
{quote} Works....CL (Crude) 15 min, no scale...2. Price moves extremely fast from entry point, if not, generally sideway move or slow drift to angle line, minimizing risk. {image}
Today's Crude trade, sideway drift after angle test, scratched trade.
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  • #3,857
  • Nov 11, 2021 9:19pm Nov 11, 2021 9:19pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} Sure, even though Cable looks overall short, a minor uptrend started last week, so here is the 15 min chart....note the degree from low to high, then the 1/2 angle and the fib drawing with it....there was a nice long return to trend a few min ago if your in the day trading mindset... {image}
Swede,

I hv found some NEW uses of 45 deg angles, up and down. That's why used uppercase...

Will share soon...
  • #3,858
  • Nov 12, 2021 5:37am Nov 12, 2021 5:37am
Parisboy showed us the Octave Doubling Process
Here is my attempt after Squaring the Chart
Set once then forget
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  • #3,859
  • Nov 12, 2021 11:10am Nov 12, 2021 11:10am
I missed a nice entry for Cad....so will wait for a significant retrace if and when one comes. Oil is strong, the economy is strong, so the fundamentals are good, and the range north seems to have stalled....anyway this is how I play Cad
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  • #3,860
  • Nov 12, 2021 11:14am Nov 12, 2021 11:14am
A retrace to the 50 % of range level may offer some nice entries later today or this evening...
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