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  • #5,101
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:18am Nov 4, 2021 10:18am
Quoting Vitore
Here you go https://trader.ftmo.com/metrix?share=17d0f48ae101
-Hadn't realized that this was a verification account. Did you pass your challenge by trading only DOT?
  • #5,102
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:20am Nov 4, 2021 10:20am
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-Hadn't realized that this was a verification account. Did you pass your challenge by trading only DOT?
I suppose that the other account on myfxbook link which Vitore provided is that you are asking for
  • #5,103
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:26am Nov 4, 2021 10:26am
Thanks. I see that now. Looks like a large portion of profits came from US30.
  • #5,104
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:36am Nov 4, 2021 10:36am
Quoting Nsak3y
Thanks. I see that now. Looks like a large portion of profits came from US30.
$8.6k DOT + $12k US30
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  • #5,105
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:37am Nov 4, 2021 10:37am
Quoting Vitore
{quote} I don't know what you mean tbh. I did not expect they would consider the volume too big. The $ volume is equivalent to 250 Oz Gold or 12 US30 indices. Rather small for a $200k account
1200 Lots? Im thinking that's where your problem lies. You essentially went all in.

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  • #5,106
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:42am Nov 4, 2021 10:42am
If there is a problem with the volume on any instrument it should not be allowed to trade or there should be MAX lot limitation or leverage. This is a provider's decision!
  • #5,107
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:45am Nov 4, 2021 10:45am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} 1200 Lots? Im thinking that's where your problem lies. You essentially went all in. {image}
Not really. One position (200) was closed before another 3 positions (300 + 300 + 400) were gradually scaled in.
The 3 positions started small and i was adding to them as the market was going more in my direction while still protecting profit by trailing SLs. This history cannot be seen in the aggregated view. The trades were protected even in the terms of crypto price action. Fundamentally, DOT is strongly bullish

Oh - btw, FTMO DoM indicated 10mil (!) contracts available at the market price and the DOT max order size is "limited" to 100mil (!!) contracts in FTMO trading platform

Seeing it through this faulty FTMO optics, what is the mere 10k contracts (1k lots) I traded

Also, let's not forget 1 lot of DOT is equivalent to 0.005 lots in the FX world
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  • #5,108
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:47am Nov 4, 2021 10:47am
Quoting fx_rookie
If there is a problem with the volume on any instrument it should not be allowed to trade or there should be MAX lot limitation or leverage. This is a provider's decision!
He thought he could trade like he did on Funding Talent with their pretend server. In the real world its not going to happen.
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  • #5,109
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:51am Nov 4, 2021 10:51am
Quoting Vitore
{quote} Not really. One position (200) was closed before another 3 positions (300 + 300 + 400) were gradually scaled in. The 3 positions started small and i was adding to them as the market was going more in my direction while still protecting profit by trailing SLs. This history cannot be seen in the aggregated view. The trades were protected even in the terms of crypto price action. Fundamentally, DOT is strongly bullish Oh - btw, FTMO DoM indicated 10mil (!) contracts available at the market price and the DOT max order size is "limited" to 100mil...
Good luck with getting this resolved. I now see the reason why they booted you.
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  • #5,110
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:52am Nov 4, 2021 10:52am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} He thought he could trade like he did on Funding Talent with their pretend server. In the real world its not going to happen.
You are probably right and I am not arguing this. It is pure FTMO's fault, because their trading conditions are allowing this.
  • #5,111
  • Nov 4, 2021 10:55am Nov 4, 2021 10:55am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} He thought he could trade like he did on Funding Talent with their pretend server. In the real world its not going to happen.
Never traded with FT. But I keep trading DOT with Pepperstone on my own live account and they don't have issues with liquidity of this volume levels. 1000 contracts of DOT (scaled in and out) is not such a big deal for them. Why should it be for FTMO?
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  • #5,112
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:01am Nov 4, 2021 11:01am
Quoting fx_rookie
{quote} You are probably right and I am not arguing this. It is pure FTMO's fault, because their trading conditions are allowing this.
Part of trading for a prop firm is showing that you have proper risk management. You have a trader who has a habit of going "all in" on his trades, then its only a matter of (short) time he blows it up.
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  • #5,113
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:05am Nov 4, 2021 11:05am
Quoting Vitore
{quote} Never traded with FT. But I keep trading DOT with Pepperstone on my own live account and they don't have issues with liquidity of this volume levels. 1000 contracts of DOT (scaled in and out) is not such a big deal for them. Why should it be for FTMO?
Pepperstone doesn't care how you trade. Its your money. They have no skin in the game.

You're wanted to get funded and use FTMO's money. Theres a big difference between the two.
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  • #5,114
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:06am Nov 4, 2021 11:06am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Part of trading for a prop firm is showing that you have proper risk management. You have a trader who has a habit of going "all in" on his trades, then its only a matter of (short) time he blows it up.
I hear what you say but 1) this was not going all in 2) this was not funded account 3) positions were protected
Making conclusions about anyone's risk management based on the mere lot size, and without considering the circumstances, seems a bit impetuous to me
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  • #5,115
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:08am Nov 4, 2021 11:08am
Quoting Cryptosurf
He thought
-To be fair, what he thought is irrelevant, and his intentions may be impossible to prove in this case. He was allowed to do it, though, and passed all objectives. Which means that FTMO may need to revisit this and consider making changes so that things like this cannot happen again.

That being said, FTMO has the right to reject any trader that trades in a way that cannot be replicated under live market conditions. However, given that this appears to be less an issue of abuse and more an issue of a lack of preparation and foresight on FTMO's part, then it might be reasonable to ask them to allow another chance.
  • #5,116
  • Edited 11:26am Nov 4, 2021 11:10am | Edited 11:26am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Pepperstone doesn't care how you trade. Its your money. They have no skin in the game. You're wanted to get funded and use FTMO's money. Theres a big difference between the two.
This was not funded account. This was not against any rule. They accepted similarly sized orders on my challenge account before and without warning me this would not be acceptable for them. (Provided me with their whole useless detailed account analysis without saying a word about inappropriate trading volume)

I understand the difference. I just believed they would be much more professional and transparent. Rejecting the trades and then refusing to communicate is not professional.
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  • #5,117
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:17am Nov 4, 2021 11:17am
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-To be fair, what he thought is irrelevant, and his intentions may be impossible to prove in this case. He was allowed to do it, though, and passed all objectives. Which means that FTMO may need to revisit this and consider making changes so that things like this cannot happen again. That being said, FTMO has the right to reject any trader that trades in a way that cannot be replicated under live market conditions. However, given that this appears to be less an issue of abuse and more an issue of a lack of preparation and foresight on FTMO's...
I agree it's fully up to their discretion. What I don't like is the following:
- wrong DoM data shown in their trading platform
- wrong instrument order size limits set there
- wrong information on their website about how their demo accounts are supposed to work (true market conditions policy)
- missing information about their insufficient liquidity for crypto (why do they allow trading it when they are not able to execute)
- no warning after the challenge completion (where I used a similar trading technique)
- support not communicating
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  • #5,118
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:26am Nov 4, 2021 11:26am
Well, your challenge was not the same, as you know.

Regarding the rest of it, you might be better off just trading a different way/instrument for now, than to wait around for them to fix all of these issues.

Hopefully, though, this incident will shed light on these problems and encourage them to take some action.
  • #5,119
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:31am Nov 4, 2021 11:31am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Part of trading for a prop firm is showing that you have proper risk management. You have a trader who has a habit of going "all in" on his trades, then its only a matter of (short) time he blows it up.
Risk management has nothing to do with that. If he uses Stop Loss the risk is perfectly controlled even if the number of Lots is very Big.
Follow your guts, if you want to lose your money...
  • #5,120
  • Nov 4, 2021 11:33am Nov 4, 2021 11:33am
Quoting Nsak3y
Well, your challenge was not the same, as you know. Regarding the rest of it, you might be better off just trading a different way/instrument for now, than to wait around for them to fix all of these issues. Hopefully, though, this incident will shed light on these problems and encourage them to take some action.
I didn't say it was the same. I said I used similar technique, as you know ;-)

I'm not waiting for them to fix anything. I'm waiting for them to even start communicating with me. I offered them to discuss all the findings I've made (including my possible mistakes or trading practices which they don't support) so that to help them improve their service. They have not come back despite my several attempts.
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