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  • Jul 17, 2021 9:04am Jul 17, 2021 9:04am
  •  Quickly
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{quote} good point, people are scared at the beginning.
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Some are; others aren't.

People who are successfully making their livings through their trading tend to be extra-cautious at the start of a trend.

The great majority of retail traders tend to be less cautious.

This is a counter-intuitive and complicated probability issue.

The reality is that the more recently a trend has become established, the less likely it is to continue. Intuition suggests the opposite. It's easy to misunderstand.

The more established a trend is, the more likely it is to continue. Perhaps "paradoxically", given one's awareness that everything has to come to an end at some point and one's instinctive feeling that, "therefore", the longer a trend has lasted, the more likely it is to end.

Someone who studies statistics and probability, such as an actuary, will understand it more easily: the older people are, the more likely they are to live for longer. "Strange but true".

The potential entry posted above by Jandelichte is a very good one, and one I'd have taken with no hesitation, if trading this method.

The "trend-line" shown above isn't one I'd have drawn there, nor would it have put me off the trade at all.

Our reactions in response to such niceties usually make the difference between deriving overall profit or overall loss from sound methods like this one.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 9:25am Jul 17, 2021 9:25am
  •  jandelichte
  • | Joined Jun 2020 | Status: Member | 115 Posts
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{quote} Some are; others aren't. People who are successfully making their livings through their trading tend to be extra-cautious at the start of a trend. The great majority of retail traders tend to be less cautious. This is a counter-intuitive and complicated probability issue. The reality is that the more recently a trend has become established, the less likely it is to continue. Intuition suggests the opposite. It's easy to misunderstand. The more established a trend is, the more likely it is to continue. Perhaps "paradoxically", given one's...
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so in your opinion my trade was a valid one?

i will have to disagree because looking at my past 2 months, i been negative, and the trades i been taking are very similar to these ones... and it has not been working.
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 10:26am Jul 17, 2021 10:26am
  •  Frag8383
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{quote} so in your opinion my trade was a valid one? i will have to disagree because looking at my past 2 months, i been negative, and the trades i been taking are very similar to these ones... and it has not been working.
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I think it was a good trade
Break of long consolidation
Pullback to the consolidation
It did not work ok

If you are having problems get on the first pullback below the ema and only take the first pullback

In your chart is just at the beginning I can't show because I'm on the mobile

Kind regards
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 11:30am Jul 17, 2021 11:30am
  •  jandelichte
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{quote} I think it was a good trade Break of long consolidation Pullback to the consolidation It did not work ok If you are having problems get on the first pullback below the ema and only take the first pullback In your chart is just at the beginning I can't show because I'm on the mobile Kind regards
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Even if the trend was broken?

also, i didnt understand what you mean by this: "If you are having problems get on the first pullback below the ema and only take the first pullback In your chart is just at the beginning"
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 12:41pm Jul 17, 2021 12:41pm
  •  Frag8383
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{quote} Even if the trend was broken? also, i didnt understand what you mean by this: "If you are having problems get on the first pullback below the ema and only take the first pullback In your chart is just at the beginning"
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First noneone knows when the trend is going to end, at least on a consistent basis. Otherwise the will be the riches person in the world. Paul Tudor Jones on market wizards says that to get turns he may fail 3-4 times and then make all on 5 attempt
Sorry for my English, I think that what you are saying is that you get late into the trend. That is why I said to trade only the first pullback to the ema
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 1:30pm Jul 17, 2021 1:30pm
  •  jandelichte
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{quote} First noneone knows when the trend is going to end, at least on a consistent basis. Otherwise the will be the riches person in the world. Paul Tudor Jones on market wizards says that to get turns he may fail 3-4 times and then make all on 5 attempt Sorry for my English, I think that what you are saying is that you get late into the trend. That is why I said to trade only the first pullback to the ema
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Its exactly the opposite... sometimes i enter so early thay the trend is not even a "real trend" yet
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 2:21pm Jul 17, 2021 2:21pm
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{quote} Its exactly the opposite...
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That's why Frag's advice is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing.

The trade he recommends limiting yourself to is the one you should be avoiding.

As you've discovered, it seems.

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sometimes i enter so early thay the trend is not even a "real trend" yet
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I understand.

Quickly explains that problem clearly in his post up above. That's the one you need to read and think about.

(By the way, I would also certainly have taken the trade you showed. Just unlucky!).
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 3:38pm Jul 17, 2021 3:38pm
  •  jandelichte
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{quote} That's why Frag's advice is exactly the opposite of what you should be doing. The trade he recommends limiting yourself to is the one you should be avoiding. As you've discovered, it seems. {quote} I understand. Quickly explains that problem clearly in his post up above. That's the one you need to read and think about. (By the way, I would also certainly have taken the trade you showed. Just unlucky!).
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thats how trading works, even you if do evertyhing right you still can lose...


anyway, what post do you say i should read?
 
 
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  • Jul 17, 2021 9:44pm Jul 17, 2021 9:44pm
  •  dbsdsun
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{quote} thats how trading works, even you if do evertyhing right you still can lose... anyway, what post do you say i should read?
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The problem of that trade is there is no lower high before your trade. You don't know where to stop lose.
 
 
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  • Jul 19, 2021 12:07am Jul 19, 2021 12:07am
  •  havenoidea
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Short Usdchf
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  • Jul 19, 2021 2:08am Jul 19, 2021 2:08am
  •  dbsdsun
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Short Usdchf {image}
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target and stop lose please
 
 
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  • Jul 19, 2021 4:54am Jul 19, 2021 4:54am
  •  ingo3344
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a very good start according to the rules
 
 
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  • Jul 19, 2021 6:41am Jul 19, 2021 6:41am
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a very good start according to the rules
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  • Jul 19, 2021 9:14am Jul 19, 2021 9:14am
  •  havenoidea
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{quote} target and stop lose please
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next time i should not trade this one, when the price isn't dropped under 100ma yet
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  • Jul 19, 2021 3:27pm Jul 19, 2021 3:27pm
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Short Usdchf again
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  • Jul 20, 2021 9:27am Jul 20, 2021 9:27am
  •  jandelichte
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what about this trade?
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  • Jul 20, 2021 10:21am Jul 20, 2021 10:21am
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what about this trade?
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I don't like it at all. There's too much overhead resistance (which is one of the things that detracts from the usefulness of MA's as a trend-indicator). I pass.
 
 
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  • Jul 20, 2021 10:35am Jul 20, 2021 10:35am
  •  jandelichte
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{quote} I don't like it at all. There's too much overhead resistance (which is one of the things that detracts from the usefulness of MA's as a trend-indicator). I pass.
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what do you mean by overhead resistance?
 
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  • Jul 21, 2021 4:21am Jul 21, 2021 4:21am
  •  helal4all
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First of all,
I would like to thank (Minotawr) for this perfect strategy, I tried several times, almost 90% trials are successful.

Secondly,
I would like to share my one of successful trial, as chart below, which was zero reversal.


Well done
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  • Jul 21, 2021 6:43am Jul 21, 2021 6:43am
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