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  • #1,501
  • Mar 19, 2021 8:21pm Mar 19, 2021 8:21pm
Quoting Shabs19
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Which one are you

Hahaa, all the best pal.



Shabs,

At our last Federal Elections, I had a Poll Watcher run right up to me, with pen in hand, after I left the voting booths after casting.

They asked "Who did you vote for ?"

I explained that I thought it was more important for them to understand who they voted for. Then just walked on.
  • #1,502
  • Mar 20, 2021 12:23am Mar 20, 2021 12:23am
CrucialPoint asked me to post this ....
And the problem or the common belief and understanding of this concept is that this mathematical constant revolves around the human psychology (this is wrong). It is actually the human psychology that revolves around this mathematical constant.

So for an analogy: Sun (mathematical constant) and Earth (human psychology). It is wrong to say that the sun revolves around the earth. But the truth is that the earth actually revolves around the sun.

So, what are the implications when you get these 2 mixed up? Well, it is your typical trader who trades according to Technical and Fundamental, believing that price should revolve around their analysis. Price doesn't give a sh*t of what you think... There is nothing wrong trading with technical and fundamental as long as your analysis revolves around price and not the other way around.

Another analogy: Imagine a ball (price). Imagine you are about to throw the ball. You know how high and how hard, you are going to throw the ball. This is like doing/knowing Fundamental and Technical analysis. The ball doesn't give a sh*t what you think...The ball doesn't revolve on how high, how hard you throw it (FA & TA). The ball (price) will go where ever it has to go according to a mathematical constant (gravity), wind resistance, mass etc...
  • #1,503
  • Edited 9:44am Mar 20, 2021 12:30am | Edited 9:44am
Quoting mixedbags
CrucialPoint asked me to post this .... And the problem or the common belief and understanding of this concept is that this mathematical constant revolves around the human psychology (this is wrong). It is actually the human psychology that revolves around this mathematical constant. So for an analogy: Sun (mathematical constant) and Earth (human psychology). It is wrong to say that the sun revolves around the earth. But the truth is that the earth actually revolves around...
I had to make a return to reply.

Thank you CrucialPoint.

It's so simple, sensible and logical conclusion yet so many(in fact ALL except for the very few less than 5 fingers on 1 hand who get it) educated adults fail to comprehend something so simple.
What chance do they have to figure out how to trade with math ?
My answer, no chance. ZERO, NADA.

I am so happy to read your post CP, very very happy indeed.
I have to give you a thumbs up, a special thumbs up.

Take care folks and goodbye.

Ps. I took the trouble to read CP post on his thread. This post describe perfectly the math. He wrote about it years ago. I was 100% certain nobody will find this periodic table. Today I realise CP found this 9 years ago. I'm seriously shocked and happy at the same time. Who else?
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...68#post5633468

For your info CP, I have worked out the entire evolving gene map. I'm sure you understand what that means. And CP it all started with DocAE book TFAL(1993). Thats the beginning. The focal point is "value intention".
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  • #1,504
  • Mar 20, 2021 3:46am Mar 20, 2021 3:46am
"human psychology revolves around mathematical constant, not the other way around" - CP or pretend CP.

Mathematical constants are on the charts are
Open, high, low, close.
No secrets.
on a postive roll...
  • #1,505
  • Mar 20, 2021 3:55am Mar 20, 2021 3:55am
Quoting mixedbags
CrucialPoint asked me to post this .... And the problem or the common belief and understanding of this concept is that this mathematical constant revolves around the human psychology (this is wrong). It is actually the human psychology that revolves around this mathematical constant. .
Talking usual B####cks.
Mathematics is not a thing, it is a law of nature.

Human psychology is not bound by anything. It is infinite.
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #1,506
  • Mar 20, 2021 5:19am Mar 20, 2021 5:19am
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  • Mar 20, 2021 5:48am Mar 20, 2021 5:48am
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  • #1,508
  • Mar 20, 2021 6:58am Mar 20, 2021 6:58am
Quoting kk100
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Single algo theory debunked:
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It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #1,509
  • Mar 20, 2021 8:36am Mar 20, 2021 8:36am
Interbank algo's do exist - the report looks at individual banks and not liquidity providers. The proof is really how the market moves know compared to the past.
GJ 10 years ago atr was 200 plus points a day and know it is 100 to 150 points. GJ is 25% less volatile than it used to be - and the main reason is the interbank spread rate across large banks - this information is very confidential and majority of there employees won't know the algo which calculates the spread. The only thing which I know it last less than 30 minutes and they turn it off at large news events - I don't think it can help your trading. Spreads in banks are much larger than your brokers, the reason being they don't want large amounts of money moving between banks making money on the spread.
  • #1,510
  • Edited 12:58pm Mar 20, 2021 11:33am | Edited 12:58pm
Quoting Londonpip60
Interbank algo's do exist - the report looks at individual banks and not liquidity providers.
I don't dispute that Interbank Algos exist. The point is the thread OP is saying a SINGLE ALGO is running the Forex Market.

If you believe in that, join Team Algo and collect your aluminium/tin foil hat on the way in.
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #1,511
  • Mar 20, 2021 1:26pm Mar 20, 2021 1:26pm
I blame Moody, you had what would have potentially been the best thread on FF but you allowed folks with imaginary diamond rings to drag the thread through unnecessary theories and self-acclaimed discoveries. Non of which they can divulge because ''it took them years of studying''.

Life is quite simple, if you have knowledge that you wish to share do so, like Shabs, Gefx, TimeTells, Bilal and so many others. Also if you have insight and you don't wanna share that's fine too just keep it to yourself. Don't bring out your diamond ring and expect everyone to kiss it in hope you'd spill classified information.

As it stands now, the thread has no direction, momentum is also gone and for what? Because those who called a spade a spade were attacked, while those dangling carrots are being given high praise.
Read in between the price!!!
  • #1,512
  • Mar 20, 2021 2:05pm Mar 20, 2021 2:05pm
Algo or random?

Let me write here a lot of letters, words and punctuation marks. It must look like hidden philosophy. But some words or even sentences must be different color and bold type. It is critical to have, because people think this is very important.

Also I will always use words like Understand, Learn, Result, Philosophy, Success and of course word Simple. In fact I'll always say that trading is very simple. Simple is the key word. I must drive the thought into your mind that since you cannot win in a simple game, you are a loser.


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Explanation: :nerd:
To trade successfully you need to have fingers: "Fingers are very important". If you will try to click the buttons using your butt you will fail most time. Because the butt is big but the button is small. You have to Learn that Simple lesson.

Here must be some irrelevant text example, or may be motiva ting youtube video. Or funny pic. It called "eye catching".

I need to create a legend. You all must think that I'm an old tired guy, sitting near the pool with 3 girls, looking at the bay. Too tired, too rich. That's why I'll never tell you what is the edge or even never show my trading explorer.

And last but not least I'll write something that you have to Learn or Follow. Something too obvious like "You have to be successful to succeed".
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  • #1,513
  • Edited 3:38pm Mar 20, 2021 3:09pm | Edited 3:38pm
Quoting calebfx
I blame Moody, you had what would have potentially been the best thread on FF but you allowed folks with imaginary diamond rings to drag the thread through unnecessary theories and self-acclaimed discoveries. Non of which they can divulge because ''it took them years of studying''. Life is quite simple, if you have knowledge that you wish to share do so, like Shabs, Gefx, TimeTells, Bilal and so many others. Also if you have insight and you don't wanna share that's fine too just keep it to yourself. Don't bring out your diamond ring and expect everyone...
Thankyou and of course as OP I accept the blame...but for what exactly?

Imaginary diamonds, yep, I get that. That comes with the territory of hanging around the forum. Can't do a great deal about that.

Now, the thread was titled Real or Algo...........................

Not "how to trade"...if you particularly want that then there is a good section elsewhere, mostly BS but you'll find the odd gem.
No one, and I mean no one, is going to give away there own winning, successful method, there will always be something held back. That's human nature. Turtle traders experiment proved even if a winning method was made known few would actually follow the method correctly.

My method I believe similar to Bilal.. I look for a fractal high or low, confirmed by order block and adr, nothing revolutionary based entirely off of what I perceive on the charts knowing that psychologically the data feed, whether real or Algo has placed 'areas' of interest', like a cookie jar. And that's it. I time my trades to suit where I live, family life etc, I would prefer to scalp a moving market, not so easy for me here, so I adapted, changed my outlook and now swing trade but only on certain days. That information is quite clearly displayed on the charts that I posted recently.

Now the important bit.

Have you noticed how most threads are made up with traders blowing kisses up the OP's arse? Have you noticed that. Well not on this thread. I'll take a hammering as much as anyone else but when it gets personal, usually, I couldn't give a f^&k but sometimes to keep the thread rolling decisions have to be made. If you think one side of the debate has had more air time, or I'm favouring one side then you are mistaken. On most threads if someone disagrees with the OP, then that person gets a permanent ban. I already had BWilliam blocked from a previous "discussion" but he asked to be unblocked so he could air his view. Gefx takes the opposite view to BW. Importantly by letting them both post they bring the best out of each other, Pete (TimeTells) is a very clever trader, according to BW Pete trades voodoo, but it works for Pete and brings in other interested parties to the discussion.
Without the conjecture, sniping, etc the thread would have hit the recycle bin ages ago, some want it there now, but that's another theory that I'm not going into.

So I take it personally that the thread hasn't lived up to your expectations.
If there is someone you want stopped from posting, perhaps it's me, or you have an idea to change the thread then pipe up, and finally can you give me the post number of where someone was unfairly treated because honestly I have looked over the last few pages and apart from me, I really can't see who took one for the team.

Thanks and have a great weekend.

Andy
  • #1,514
  • Mar 20, 2021 4:12pm Mar 20, 2021 4:12pm
Quoting ryuryu
Algo or random? Let me write here a lot of letters, words and punctuation marks. It must look like hidden philosophy. But some words or even sentences must be different color and bold type. It is critical to have, because people think this is very important. Also I will always use words like Understand, Learn, Result, Philosophy, Success and of course word Simple. In fact I'll always say that trading is very simple. Simple is the key word. I must drive the thought into your mind that since you cannot win in a simple game, you are a loser....
CP did say he has successful marketing and business experiences.
The only thing is that he clearly stated that he wasn't selling anything and took great measures to prevent people from getting scammed by saying that anyone asking for money or even donations in his name was a scam.
Apart from that, he could be a Narcissist who had nothing better to do and posted. But then, a Narcissists would have been all over the internet and he has not.
  • #1,515
  • Edited 5:24pm Mar 20, 2021 4:35pm | Edited 5:24pm
Quoting calebfx
{quote} Yet another post filled with gibberish, have a great weekend too.
Thankyou.
Keep posting please.
Can always spot someone who's on the sauce.

So let’s look at what’s going on.
You appear out of nowhere.
Vent off at me...
Your bio suggests you’re in England.
It’s Saturday night and a great time to have a beer, even at home.
You previously posted on another thread there is nothing wrong with English Ale, so you like a beer.
England lost to Ireland at rugby... of which I am also pissed off.
I may be wrong, but like you, I don’t know you so it’s my right to take a pot? Right!
  • #1,516
  • Edited 7:04pm Mar 20, 2021 6:41pm | Edited 7:04pm
Quoting moodybot
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Now, the thread was titled

Real or Algo........................... Not "how to trade"...

Have you noticed how most threads are made up with traders blowing kisses up the OP's arse? Have you noticed that.

Well not on this thread.


Hahaaa, hi Andy, well you know from a few Skype's I sent to you that I always blame you for something.
(mainly for encouraging me back in, for one more of my crazy posts lol )

So why not a thread blaming you

EDIT: I'd be amazed lost myself having to see some traders trade, well NOT see them trade as such. See their MINDSETS at a particular point in time.

all the best pal, great job here imo
  • #1,517
  • Mar 20, 2021 7:40pm Mar 20, 2021 7:40pm
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hahaaa, hi Andy, well you know from a few Skype's I sent to you that I always blame you for something. (mainly for encouraging me back in, for one more of my crazy posts lol ) So why not a thread blaming you EDIT: I'd be amazed lost myself having to see some traders trade, well NOT see them trade as such. See their MINDSETS at a particular point in time. all the best pal, great job here imo

Mate, it’s beyond a joke, some people just don’t get it.
And the ‘real mob’... yep, just don’t get it.
Everything is in the thread.
What did George say ‘boundless’ mindset’... he was right.
The last few posts have demonstrated that people are gambling, happy as pig in muck believing in fairytales of a real’ source.
Well real people, start a thread and throw up the charts and trades. Prove it.
Someone on this thread has convinced me now of my own 10 year question of the market, he knows who he is, let’s call him Morpheus.
Thread now closed.
  • #1,518
  • Mar 20, 2021 8:00pm Mar 20, 2021 8:00pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Mate, it’s beyond a joke, some people just don’t get it. And the ‘real mob’... yep, just don’t get it. Everything is in the thread. What did George say ‘boundless’ mindset’... he was right.
Not a Boundless mindset ................more like a Groundless mindset.........

No Proof , No Facts, No Evidence,

Plenty of Imagination, I give you that....

You have run out of ideas, the thread is pointless now.
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #1,519
  • Mar 20, 2021 8:05pm Mar 20, 2021 8:05pm
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Not a Boundless mindset ................more like a Groundless mindset......... No Proof , No Facts, No Evidence, Plenty of Imagination, I give you that.... You have run out of ideas, the thread is pointless now.
Funny. Now the threads closed can I call you a cock?
  • #1,520
  • Edited 9:23pm Mar 20, 2021 8:18pm | Edited 9:23pm
CLOSE IT QUICK, ANDY

WINTER () IS COMING!


OK thread closed, got it, I was writing this at the same time as the thread closed (swimming pool lol got drained).


One last shot Andy, and that’s it lol, promise.

I’ll try another analogy, even though the taste of my previous bananas came up a little ‘green’



We are all talking about the same thing, the FX market.

I will call it the “swimming pool”.

NOT a one single winner or loser swimming race, but our pool WILL be filled with swimmers.


The maths team I think are saying they know the pool length today (it is predefined, and can change daily).

The Real & TA team I think are saying they first examine the chlorine levels in the pool (for buoyancy or cleanliness etc) and whatever other technical info they can obtain about the pool, before they swim.

The algo team I think are saying they don’t care so much for the dimensions & salinity or the maths lengths of the pool, as when they swim it pretty much feels the same pool (or similar) each day, and doesn’t affect HOW they swim (trade).


ALL swimmers (maths, algo, real) are wanting one thing only, to win THEIR particular private race (trade) “within” the confines of the pool and take some TP.


Each would use their own swimming (trading) style, breaststroke (can we call it breast these days, oops sorry), backstroke or even freestyle.

Some, with computational knowledge ‘know’ where the finish of the pool (length) is (the price move) today and can trade it from EITHER end of the pool and reverse trade quickly & knowledgably for TP.

Others swim the pool and can ride it the whole of todays length (big TP).

Some (like myself) feel the pool will “always be swimmable” at some area/zone.
(I have my own ‘private race’ in one SECTION of the pool where I can take small TP and then keep swimming lol if I wish and look for another ‘section’ of interest.)


The Maths traders must have some advantage I reckon, else they wouldn’t keep doing it.

The TA Real traders must have some advantage I reckon, else they wouldn’t keep doing it.

And ‘freestyler’s’ like myself might keep doing it for their own same reason.

WHILE

We are all in the same SWIMMING POOL.

(Can we not all just wave or smile to each other, as one of us passes the other, or gets passed)



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