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  • #981
  • Feb 14, 2021 11:00am Feb 14, 2021 11:00am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, you got it now. Just like you're not even coming close to your 500:1, I only use about half of my 6:1. You need capital, not leverage. However, I am glad you finally get it.
Yes I get it that using a .01 size I need to turn a profit of $375 in a $250 account in 6 month. That is 25% per month.
I am glad you have no problem with that and I am also glad that you are so generous that with such a talent, you are willing to put 50% of that profit on a silver platter and hand it to the 5ers.
  • #982
  • Feb 14, 2021 11:28am Feb 14, 2021 11:28am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes I get it that using a .01 size I need to turn a profit of $375 in a $250 account in 6 month. That is 25% per month. I am glad you have no problem with that and I am also glad that you are so generous that with such a talent, you are willing to put 50% of that profit on a silver platter and hand it to the 5ers.
The5ers offers are one of the best if not the best for retail traders. You got a problem with that, go take your own $50,000 if you have it, and put it with the broker and trade. Done deal.
  • #983
  • Feb 14, 2021 11:38am Feb 14, 2021 11:38am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Yes I get it that using a .01 size I need to turn a profit of $375 in a $250 account in 6 month. That is 25% per month. I am glad you have no problem with that and I am also glad that you are so generous that with such a talent, you are willing to put 50% of that profit on a silver platter and hand it to the 5ers.
Seriously, wow, you are one dense dude. It is not a $250 account. In your example it is a $6,000 account with 6:1 leverage. You have a 4% DD limit. The only way your argument is even remotely viable is if you do not apply any DD rules on your personal account. If you have DD rules on your personal account, then you technically do not have access to the entire balance either. Why is this so hard for you. Once again I have a goal of 10,000 per month profit. That is all that matters. This is what goes in my bank account.

Scenario 1 1,000,000 account with 1:1 leverage, I need to earn 1% per month
Scenario 2 100,000 account with 1:10 leverage, I need to earn 10% per month
Scenario 3 10,000 account with 1:100 leverage, I need to double the account
Which one is MOST likely to occur?

Last post for me today. If you don't get it, I give up. I think you get it, but don't want to admit it, TBH.
  • #984
  • Edited 12:04pm Feb 14, 2021 11:49am | Edited 12:04pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Seriously, wow, you are one dense dude. It is not a $250 account. In your example it is a $6,000 account with 6:1 leverage. You have a 4% DD limit. The only way your argument is even remotely viable is if you do not apply any DD rules on your personal account. If you have DD rules on your personal account, then you technically do not have access to the entire balance either. Why is this so hard for you. Once again I have a goal of 10,000 per month profit. That is all that matters. This is what goes in my bank account. Scenario 1 1,000,000...
In a 6K account of my own, I have a choice of 6K DD if I want. Obviously, I don't.
In your beloved 5ers 6K account, I have a choice of $250 DD.

The first 6K account is all mine. The 5ers 6K account giving me my own $250 as a limit is not mine other than the $250 available risk, therefore they are the same thing as far as ownership of funds. No additional money has been contributed to the 5ers account by the 5ers. It is a risk free proposal to them. Get it? No matter how much I want to risk, I am risking only my own money. In fact, the 5ers account keeps $25 back in case of slippage or just cause they want to.

If you bothered to look at my spreadsheet, you will see that after the 3rd level, their risk factor flips to minus meaning they would be stupid to let go of you because in addition to the 50% free money you give them, you start to give them more with every level up. That is why their rival or white lable or whatever CTI is, is giving 70% to the trader after 3rd level (I think it is 3rd level but not sure) but the 5ers haven't caught up yet.


Maybe you should let the 5ers do the promoting of their scheme cause they are good at it.
You on the other hand are acting like an emotional brown noser.
  • #985
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:07pm Feb 14, 2021 12:07pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} In a 6K account of my own, I have a choice of 6K DD if I want. Obviously, I don't. In your beloved 5ers 6K account, I have a choice of $250 DD. The first 6K account is all mine. The 5ers 6K account giving me my own $250 as a limit is not mine other than the $250 available risk, therefore they are the same thing as far as ownership of funds. No additional money has been contributed to the 5ers account by the 5ers. It is a risk free proposal to them. Get it? No matter how much I want to risk, I am risking only my own money. In fact, the 5ers...
OK, I have a challenge for you. I'm going to start a 2nd, brand new eval with the %5ers for the purpose of this. I am going to put 875 for a $20,000K account, you put $875 in a personal account. We will put up trade explorers and see who gets to a 1,000,000 account first. Now keep in mind, when I get my profit split every month, while SIMUTANEOUSLY growing the account, you will need to deduct that from your personal account. So at my first stage, when I make 10% on 80K and they give me half, which will be $4,000 while simultaneously now giving me $160,000 account.......OH WAIT, that won't work, you will not have $4,000 to withdrawal from your $875 account, unless of course you made 500% that month.

DO YOU F******ING GET IT YET?
  • #986
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:17pm Feb 14, 2021 12:17pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} In a 6K account of my own, I have a choice of 6K DD if I want. Obviously, I don't. In your beloved 5ers 6K account, I have a choice of $250 DD. The first 6K account is all mine. The 5ers 6K account giving me my own $250 as a limit is not mine other than the $250 available risk, therefore they are the same thing as far as ownership of funds. No additional money has been contributed to the 5ers account by the 5ers. It is a risk free proposal to them. Get it? No matter how much I want to risk, I am risking only my own money. In fact, the 5ers...
You are making nosense. Stop and leave this thread.
  • #987
  • Edited 12:44pm Feb 14, 2021 12:25pm | Edited 12:44pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} OK, I have a challenge for you. I'm going to start a 2nd, brand new eval with the %5ers for the purpose of this. I am going to put 875 for a $20,000K account, you put $875 in a personal account. We will put up trade explorers and see who gets to a 1,000,000 account first. Now keep in mind, when I get my profit split every month, while SIMUTANEOUSLY growing the account, you will need to deduct that from your personal account. So at my first stage, when I make 10% on 80K and they give me half, which will be $4,000 while simultaneously now...
Listen, there are traders that make 1000% a month or maybe 10000% on demo contests.
If they'd just tone it down to 10% a month, they would make a good living.

The point is not that all traders out in the world can make 10000% or 1000% or 10% per month.
There are traders in 5ers program advertised to have jumped from level 1 to 3 in 3 weeks or so. So, high flying traders do exist.

That has nothing to do with the 5ers giving you your own funds (minus $25) to trade with.
Your mutterings have no effect on the fact that the 5ers take 50% of your profits to fund you with it every level that you go up.
I think what you are saying is that you are such a damn good trader and make so much money that you don't mind giving 50% of it away.
Now, a claim like that would be relevant.

If you are such a brilliant trader able to make your 1000's of % in profit, I recommend you trade your own money and be proud that you weren't such a fool to place 50% of it on a give away platter every month because you have such an addiction to someone slipping their hands into your pocket all the time.

I have my own proposal for you.'

Assume I am your funder. I will arrange for a 1:6 account and you put your $875 in it and trade it exactly like you are trading your !:6, $875 5ers account.
In fact, using a copier, it should be identical. Then I will give you 50% of your account profits, exactly like the 5ers would. The risk to me would be exactly like the risk to 5ers and everything in funding you in different levels would be identical all the way to 1.28 million. Are you in?
  • #988
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:29pm Feb 14, 2021 12:29pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} You are making nosense. Stop and leave this thread.
Thank you but the 5ers rep did not tell me that I was not making any sense. Seemed like the agreed with my points.
Their only complaint was that I repeated myself too much. In other words, I should have stated my position only once and everyone should have got it.
It seems they were wrong because you don't get it.

You and the 5ers are welcomed to put me on ignore list. The 5ers will not have to put up with me repeating myself any more and all should be good. what is stopping you?
  • #989
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:43pm Feb 14, 2021 12:43pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Thank you but the 5ers rep did not tell me that I was not making any sense. Seemed like the agreed with my points. Their only complaint was that I repeated myself too much. In other words, I should have stated my position only once and everyone should have got it. It seems they were wrong because you don't get it. You and the 5ers are welcomed to put me on ignore list. The 5ers will not have to put up with me repeating myself any more and all should be good. what is stopping you?
I will not put you on any list. You are making nosense. They don't have to disagree with you. You are 100% wrong. You are trying to prove a point, where there is no point. If you are frustrated trader/investor, which it sounds like you are. Get off your lazy behind, save the money, put your money into a broker chosen by you, and trade. Don't come here with your nonsense. The5ers are good for retail traders, and by trading the live account with them , you learn a lot, money management and a good strategy. You can keep on repeating yourself whatever you want. That is what losers do. Either practice and get better at trading, or be a loser and write and complain about nonsense. It is up to you what you choose, be a winner or be a loser.
  • #990
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:50pm Feb 14, 2021 12:50pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} I will not put you on any list. You are making nosense. They don't have to disagree with you. You are 100% wrong. You are trying to prove a point, where there is no point. If you are frustrated trader/investor, which it sounds like you are. Get off your lazy behind, save the money, put your money into a broker chosen by you, and trade. Don't come here with your nonsense. The5ers are good for retail traders, and by trading the live account with them , you learn a lot, money management and a good strategy. You can keep on repeating yourself...
The 5ers love trader like you and that is why they exist.

Sorry that you don't understand but I am 100% right and anyone can do the exact thing that the 5ers are doing with a website setup.
How much is it to pay a webmaster to maintain a site?
Plus, as an IB, they can earn rebates on the traders' trades or arrange a lower commission or even clear trades internally as a wholeseller once a week and take advantage of the offsetting trades in their pool of traders.

But carry on. Do what you are made to do and enhance other people's lives as it seems to be your calling in life.


PS: I have no interest in being in this thread except that I got pulled in by another enthusiast like you. So, stop quoting me and let me go.
  • #991
  • Feb 14, 2021 12:58pm Feb 14, 2021 12:58pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} The 5ers love trader like you and that is why they exist. Sorry that you don't understand but I am 100% right and anyone can do the exact thing that the 5ers are doing with a website setup. How much is it to pay a webmaster to maintain a site? Plus, as an IB, they can earn rebates on the traders' trades or arrange a lower commission or even clear trades internally as a wholeseller once a week and take advantage of the offsetting trades in their pool of traders. But carry on. Do what you are made to do and enhance other people's lives as...
I am not reading your nonsense. I have been trading with them for a while. It is going good, the first thing you need is money management and second a good strategy. Either short or long term trader/investor doesn't matter. Stop writing your nonsense, you are wrong. Go back to demo account, practice, and when you are ready either deposit your own money, or go with a firm like the5ers. Leave this thread, you are useless.
  • #992
  • Feb 14, 2021 1:25pm Feb 14, 2021 1:25pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} I am not reading your nonsense. I have been trading with them for a while. It is going good, the first thing you need is money management and second a good strategy. Either short or long term trader/investor doesn't matter. Stop writing your nonsense, you are wrong. Go back to demo account, practice, and when you are ready either deposit your own money, or go with a firm like the5ers. Leave this thread, you are useless.
What you really fail to understand is that "money management and second a good strategy" is your product. It is what you have made for yourself using your brain. It wasn't given to you by the funder. They did however gave you a set of rules. Anyone can give you a set of rules. I can copy and paste those rules and give them to you. It is you that using your abilities conforms to those rules.

Now, granted, you are grateful that someone gave you those rules to trade by. Tell me what is the reward you are willing to give to the person who gave you the rules?
$100? $1000? 100,000? No. That is not what is asked for. The reward you are expected to pay to those who gave you the set of the rules is 50% of what you make. If you agreed to dish out 50% of your earnings as an appreciation for being given a set of rules to trade by, then it's all good. You found your way to the fortunes by being given the golden rules and they got your 50% earnings for life.

I couldn't be happier for you and dare I say, the ppl that gave you the rules also will be happy that it worked out for you because the 50% of your profits would make anyone happy for the effort of printing a set of rules on a website.

Anyways, I'll let you delve in the depths of your happiness. Sorry to have bothered you. Carry on like the champ that you already are.
  • #993
  • Feb 14, 2021 1:46pm Feb 14, 2021 1:46pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} What you really fail to understand is that "money management and second a good strategy" is your product. It is what you have made for yourself using your brain. It wasn't given to you by the funder. They did however gave you a set of rules. Anyone can give you a set of rules. I can copy and paste those rules and give them to you. It is you that using your abilities conforms to those rules. Now, granted, you are grateful that someone gave you those rules to trade by. Tell me what is the reward you are willing to give to the person who gave...
https://the5ers.com/evaluation-plans/

Scroll down to growth schedule. Everything explains there, low risk option and aggressive option. You have no point to make. If that is not explained in a plain and simple way, you are just not understanding it, and trading/investing is not for you and find yourself something else to do. That's it.
  • #994
  • Feb 14, 2021 1:55pm Feb 14, 2021 1:55pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} https://the5ers.com/evaluation-plans/ Scroll down to growth schedule. Everything explains there, low risk option and aggressive option. You have no point to make. If that is not explained in a plain and simple way, you are just not understanding it, and trading/investing is not for you and find yourself something else to do. That's it.
One day you will realize that the so called growth schedule is just your own 50% given back to you as funds provided by the funder. I doubt you ever looked at my spreadsheet and the explanation of it.
Like I said, do as you will. Who is stopping you?
  • #995
  • Feb 14, 2021 1:58pm Feb 14, 2021 1:58pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} One day you will realize that the so called growth schedule is just your own 50% given back to you as funds provided by the funder. I doubt you ever looked at my spreadsheet and the explanation of it. Like I said, do as you will. Who is stopping you?

You are just wrong, I did see your spreadsheet, it is wrong and makes no sense and you should leave this thread. Leave and do not come back in this thread. The good things about the5ers challenge is it proves how hard it is to actually make it in this business. As we are seeing a lot of people like yourself, come here try to prove a point that does not make sense. You thought it was going to be easy deposit little money make 1000s of dollars. WRONG. This actually still proves that only 1% of us will make it in this business and 99% of you will not. Nothing wrong with that, it is just how it is. Instead of wasting your time here, find yourself a career that you will succeed in it. You wasting your time here with nonsense will not get you anywhere. Trading/investing is just not for everyone. Let's hope you will find a career that you will be successful at it and soon too. Wish you all the best.
  • #996
  • Feb 14, 2021 1:59pm Feb 14, 2021 1:59pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} You are just wrong, and you should leave this thread.
A few traders have previously PM'd me saying that the light bulb went on in their heads. I doubt you will be one of them.
  • #997
  • Feb 14, 2021 2:05pm Feb 14, 2021 2:05pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} A few traders have previously PM'd me saying that the light bulb went on in their heads. I doubt you will be one of them.
Read again what I wrote. One day a light bulb will go on in your head. But perhaps you will find another career that will work for you. Deposit and try it out, see how hard it is and challenging. But we all know that you won't because you are just not a trader. You just are writing nonsense here and that is that.
Like I said if you have $50,000 deposit it into your own account and trade. But we all know you don't even have $5,000 to trade with. Don't waste your time with your nonsense, go do something with your life.
  • #998
  • Feb 14, 2021 2:14pm Feb 14, 2021 2:14pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} Read again what I wrote. One day a light bulb will go on in your head. But perhaps you will find another career that will work for you. Deposit and try it out, see how hard it is and challenging. But we all know that you won't because you are just not a trader. You just are writing nonsense here and that is that. Like I said if you have $50,000 deposit it into your own account and trade. But we all know you don't even have $5,000 to trade with. Don't waste your time with your nonsense, go do something with your life.
You certainly deserve the 5ers.

With $275 down, I can have a $6000 account to trade with at 5ers.

I think it is you who doesn't have $5000 of your own and it makes you giggle that with a $275, you get a $6000 but it is just appearances. With your $275 investment you still have only $250 to play with.

What would the 5ers do without people like you?

5ers, it is Valentine's day. Please send this guy a dozen of roses for being so cute and innocent.
  • #999
  • Feb 14, 2021 2:21pm Feb 14, 2021 2:21pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} You certainly deserve the 5ers. With $275 down, I can have a $6000 account to trade with at 5ers. I think it is you who doesn't have $5000 of your own and it makes you giggle that with a $275, you get a $6000 but it is just appearances. With your $275 investment you still have only $250 to play with. What would the 5ers do without people like you? 5ers, it is Valentine's day. Please send this guy a dozen of roses for being so cute and innocent.
You take care and hopefully you will find yourself in some career where you will succeed. Trading is not for you.
  • #1,000
  • Feb 14, 2021 2:32pm Feb 14, 2021 2:32pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} You take care and hopefully you will find yourself in some career where you will succeed. Trading is not for you.
I am in my chosen career without needing to give the 5ers 50% of my earnings. It's done.
You on the other hand just found a set of rules that you are happy with. Best of luck in your journey to maturity and independence.
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