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  •  PeterCaleb
  • Joined Nov 2020 | Status: Been And Gone. | 1,310 Posts
This morning I was thinking about the first time I felt the need to improve my trading performance without doing more trades. And one of the earliest memories I have of what helped me was trailing my active stop loss. These days there's so many options and strategies. And so many ways to say it, speak of it and "talk about it". Well, I like to keep it real and honest. I am aware that people like to use EA's to help "manage" their trades and like to use all the fancy tactics that these offer. But for me, when MY money is on the line, I consider myself MUCH better than an EA. Why? An EA can break down, malfunction, or just stop working for some known or unknown reason. However if I malfunction, there's a good chance I need to see a doctor.

So it got me thinking. What WAS my favorite way to trail that damn stoploss? I use the "first hit is my fault, second hit is their undoing" strategy. I suppose you've come across R's. And R:R. So if you haven't here goes ... you want to place a trade. You can afford a 10PIP stoploss for a move with the potential of triple return. That equates to = 10:30 approx. Risk 10 to make 30. And we''ll say this is gross return, before transaction costs. However, there's the other way to do this = 3:1 .... 30:10. Why reversed? Sometimes the market backs itself into a "corner" and has to claw at the situation to get away. And if you watch the 1 MINUTE chart at any length, you'll sometimes see the market initially make a great move up or down into that zone making numerous very high or very low points bunched or maybe spread out, within a certain "price zone". Some call it congestion, some call it other things.

(UNLESS YOU are the driver of that market you are watching, truthfully you have little chance of knowing for certain the WHY. BUT, you CAN summize by evaluating lots and lots of situations where this is happening in the same kind of way. And THIS is HOW you learn to trade properly. Repetition WITHIN a market's view but WITHOUT a story to deceive you. You are a trader so you have to be truthful. YOUR goal is to sort out fact from fiction to the very best of your ability.)

So why risk more than you might make? Although the market you trade may seem like a psychopath going all over the place at times, it does possess a sense of Rhythm and order. I am aware that some people have started trying to take advantage of things like the Oanda Order book and the order book concept in general. In my experience these things are false gods. They do more harm than good. They aren't really a blueprint, they merely have people become addicted and very dependent on an outside "tool" rather than relying on themself. So what does all this have to do with a reversed trade risk position? The people who try and take advantage of order book data are trying to "see into" the situation I mentioned earlier about the market cornering itself. It's to do with "Order Flow" and the fluidity of the market. Although most people complicate it far too much, in my opinion. And "Price action", Oh, you gotta love all these buzzwords and phrases. The reversed position is used when the market "overextends" or "hits a brick wall" ....."pick your expression" THEN ends up returning to where it started. In that trade you're "expecting", "hoping", "wanting/needing" the market to reverse, meanwhile, you hold a solid position without scaling in and out. It's a "Get in, Hold and Reverse" trade. Hehehehe. The kicker is, you "don't know for sure" what will happen. OOOOOOOOH. So there's a little nail-biting going on.

So where does the trailing stoploss idea come in? If you do enough research you will find a looooong list of "best trailing stop strategies" online. Many people I have come across are too clunky and robotic about the HOW.

Q = If I can save $1 today on a trade that is "expected" to return 5 or 10, BUT, could also have me lose that same amount OR MORE, should I save that $1? OR, should I TRY and determine "what the market is going to do next" so I can (eg.) move my stop to breakeven?

For me, there is no breakeven. If I am doing that, I am not confident about the trade setup and should NOT be there. Instead I like to use a "one potato, two potato, three potato" approach. Eg - The market moves AT LEAST 40% of my expected return BASED ON STRUCTURE, not fibs or a magic spell, then I will shift my stoploss NO MORE THAN 10%. For example, The goal is 50PIPS. It makes it to 20PIPS. 20/10% = 2PIPS shift. Either it's a reversal OR it's a breakout. PERIOD. Do I scale in? If needed. BUT it always always comes back to "what is the trade/trade setup? If you cannot answer this simple question, then I suggest you rethink your thinking towards your strategy OR take up knitting. Hehehehe. Below is a pic to help visualize all this.

Hope that helps.

Peter

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  •  PeterCaleb
  • Joined Nov 2020 | Status: Been And Gone. | 1,310 Posts
Someone sent me a message asking about the Splinter trade and I thought I would give an open public answer to it here. In simple language, it's just a short term reversal trade where your main goal is to use recent local highs or lows (on close prices NOT High or Low price) to get a really really tight entry price and fill for your order/s. Now admittedly, I don't always see all of my orders fill, however, that's NOT the goal here. If I can risk 5PIPS to generate 20/30/40/50 PIPS profit, then as far as price movement is concerned, that ....

A) Covers any losses incurred from premature entry
B) Covers my transaction costs
C) Reaffirms that it CAN be done
D) Sets up my psyche to do it again the next time it comes around.

Of course just putting in orders is not enough. There needs to be some prudent financial management in place. But to me, that is a personal thing that each trader must work out for themselves.

Happy Camping.
Peter

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  •  PeterCaleb
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A Bi-directional way to approach a trade like this one......

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  •  PeterCaleb
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What do you make of the below scenarios? (The test here is for you to see HOW MANY different perspectives you can come up with)

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  •  PeterCaleb
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Today was a good ol' breakthrough day. In George language and terminology, he calls it a 'grinding day'. And from the pic below you can see why. It just wants to keep going and going and going. Hope you were selling AND buying today. I hope everyone is well.

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  • Dec 7, 2020 9:18pm Dec 7, 2020 9:18pm
  •  PeterCaleb
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In my experience the very best way to learn to trade is NOT to focus on "about trading", because that's similar only to reading the blurb of a novel. If you want to REALLY TRULY be involved in trading the financial markets, you need to be committed 100%. Of course if you have daily work or family commitments then naturally you work around those, however, your spare time (whatever you have) is VERY valuable. Learning to trade is like learning to drive a car. Practice AND saturation makes you better and better.

This obsession with stories, indicators and many other things is what muddies the waters. Your path really should be clear - is it a genuine trending style market? or, is it an oscillative pulse with price and time lag? Below is an example of what I am saying.

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Your first responsibility, though, is to work out where the flaws in your thinking sit. Do you think like most other people in everyday life? Do you see the bad before the good, or the good before the bad? Or, do you see none or, both together? You may think that this is just rubbish, but please believe me when I say that I have been doing this a long time now. In modern times people call it "negative" or "positive" thinking. The very first thing you must understand is these are the extremes of how you CAN think. If you see too much positive, you cannot learn. If you see too much negative ... again, you are cut off from learning. If you are having a hard time digesting this, just begin by assuming that what I am saying is true and then, spend some time thinking about HOW and WHY this is true. I sense you'll be surprised what you come up with.

As I said very early in my own posts, trading reflects YOU. If you're afraid, it shows it. If you are cocky and conceited, it shows it. If you are passive aggressive then that too will show in your trading activities. Real life maturity and discipline require more from us. Most people fail because they are never shown or taught these extremes. Hiding behind the use of VPS's and EA's and mechanical systems is (or should be) an affront to who and what you are. They don't make you better and stronger, but in fact do the inverse. Life experience is the one ingredient that cannot lie if coloured with objective thinking.

Now have another look at the pic of the chart I have here in this post. Momentum Slope, Oscillative pulse, direction, time, higher highs and lower lows. A 4HR chart that offers (For George's students/followers) George's Multi time frame high WIN Strike rate analysis and the opportunities to OBSERVE and LEARN.

If you want to learn then do so, if you don't want to learn then so be it.

Ciao

Peter
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  •  Profitgrowth
  • | Joined Jan 2019 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
More mindless drivel, and charts all drawn in hindsight,nothing clever about that,anyone can do it, if you really want to show off your supposed trading skills, let's see you show some real skill by drawing up some trade setups in advance??
 
 
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  •  oztrader
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 206 Posts
Profitgrowth,

George did say in post 1 for us to not argue, disagree or disapprove with anyone.

Your post no 6 and 367 is hardly in the spirit George asked for.

Cheers.
 
 
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  •  Profitgrowth
  • | Joined Jan 2019 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
Quoting oztrader
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Profitgrowth, George did say in post 1 for us to not argue, disagree or disapprove with anyone. Your post no 6 and 367 is hardly in the spirit George asked for. Cheers.
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I don't recall George also being Ok with someone hijacking his thread with what appears like someone trying to imitate him coming across as some sort of psuedo trading psychologist, maybe Peter could start his own thread , meanwhile just trying to prompt him to post something that actually might help traders if he can, instead of all this diatribe.
 
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  • Dec 7, 2020 11:36pm Dec 7, 2020 11:36pm
  •  PeterCaleb
  • Joined Nov 2020 | Status: Been And Gone. | 1,310 Posts
The sun will come out tomorrow. Trading is like Life - either you get it or you do not. If you don't think it through, you'll never get it. I can shut up now.

Peter
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  •  Corinna
  • | Joined Mar 2009 | Status: Member | 224 Posts
Profitgrowth,

I understand that you yourself is a very good and experience trader. To people like me, not a bright student, I find that Peter has helped me a lot in his own way to make me understand more clearly what George has been trying to teach me. So far George has not minimized Peter's posts. So what is the problem here?

Peter's post no. 365 already alert us the pending reversal. A buy trade was in the making. Don't you think it is foresight?

Sorry if I have offended you.

Corinna
 
 
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  •  Profitgrowth
  • | Joined Jan 2019 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
Quoting Corinna
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Profitgrowth, I understand that you yourself is a very good and experience trader. To people like me, not a bright student, I find that Peter has helped me a lot in his own way to make me understand more clearly what George has been trying to teach me. So far George has not minimized Peter's posts. So what is the problem here? Peter's post no. 365 already alert us the pending reversal. A buy trade was in the making. Don't you think it is foresight? Sorry if I have offended you. Corinna
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No I'm not offended at all, nor do i want to silence Peter, just all the posts seem rather confusing for traders, not really teaching much, maybe eg, as an example he could tell us..... what his basic strategy is, rules for taking a trade, what timeframe, scalp /swing, what his setups look like , , what targets to go for, what sessions/times to trade, what succcess rates he gets with it, etc??
 
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  •  RickM
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Quoting Profitgrowth
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{quote} No I'm not offended at all, nor do i want to silence Peter, just all the posts seem rather confusing for traders, not really teaching much, maybe eg, as an example he could tell us..... what his basic strategy is, rules for taking a trade, what timeframe, scalp /swing, what his setups look like , , what targets to go for, what sessions/times to trade, what succcess rates he gets with it, etc??
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Be careful Profitgrowth, Peter will accuse you of Meleodrama, apparently he looks for it in people.

I apologise Peter if it hurts your sensibilities but you have hijacked George’s thread.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
 
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  •  PeterCaleb
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You know the main problem with people in a group? The more time they spend as a group, the more that intelligence walks out the backdoor. I contribute. I do not own your problems. And I do not own this thread. So no accusations, No headhunting. It's just the typical silly talk from whoever or whatever you are. I've been around a lot longer than most people alive. So I know how silly and ridiculous people think they can be online.

Even if I told you everything I have learned you would still call me a liar. Perhaps what people saw with George and see similar about me is the lack of gullibility for silly banter and pointless circular conversations?

I buy when it's ready to move and I sell when it's ready to move. And I do it to generate a healthy profit. It's called trading. I share what I see can be useful and helpful. If you are silly enough to dismiss basic truths about you and the market you choose to trade in and spend time around, then maybe you have more problems than you think.

So there's no hijacking or alike going on. And it might be confusing to you personally because maybe you want me to do YOUR trading for you. What it shows is a complete lack of knowledge of the concept of "how to learn".

So to be clear here, silly banter is funny and show so much. People could probably learn more if they had a little humility. If you are unsure of its meaning in the real world, please google it.

I cannot be manipulated or coaxed. It's called being an adult.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. If you're busy running your mouth off, then when is there any time to learn?

Have Fun

Peter
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  •  Pumi
  • Joined Nov 2017 | Status: Member | 479 Posts
Quoting Corinna
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Profitgrowth, I understand that you yourself is a very good and experience trader. To people like me, not a bright student, I find that Peter has helped me a lot in his own way to make me understand more clearly what George has been trying to teach me. So far George has not minimized Peter's posts. So what is the problem here? Peter's post no. 365 already alert us the pending reversal. A buy trade was in the making. Don't you think it is foresight? Sorry if I have offended you. Corinna
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"So far George has not minimized Peter's posts."

Has George liked any of Peter's posts?

Is he reading and going through his posts?

The fact that George is silent doesn't necessarily mean he is approving or even going through this thread.

To me all Peter's work is confusing. It would have been better if he started his own thread and then perhaps I could follow him there. Taking what George showed us and what Peter has been presenting is total confusion.
 
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  •  PeterCaleb
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Speak up and say what exactly is confusing you Pumi.

Peter
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  •  oztrader
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 206 Posts
Peter thanks mate for your input.
 
 
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  •  Profitgrowth
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Speak up and say what exactly is confusing you Pumi. Peter
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The whole lot,none of it makes much sense, So....... are you ever going to show traders how you trade (i presume you do) or just more lectures.

As above here's a few things you could talk about.

what your basic strategy is, rules for taking a trade, what timeframe, scalp /swing, what your setups look like , , what targets to go for, what sessions/times to trade, what succcess rates you get with it, etc??

Looking forward to hearing about it.
 
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  •  oztrader
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Member | 206 Posts
where is the confusion, George didnt take you by the hand, neither will Peter.Time to put the big boy pants on.
 
 
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  •  PeterCaleb
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{quote} The whole lot,none of it makes much sense, So....... are you ever going to show traders how you trade (i presume you do) or just more lectures. As above here's a few things you could talk about. what your basic strategy is, rules for taking a trade, what timeframe, scalp /swing, what your setups look like , , what targets to go for, what sessions/times to trade, what succcess rates you get with it, etc?? Looking forward to hearing about it.
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Do you see and understand how naive that sounds? Do you think me stupid or slow in the head somehow? Do I seem mentally retarded to you? How I trade is my business. I'm not here to get into a dick swinging competition with anyone. Nor am I here to openly disclose the kinds of things that would not help YOU in any way to perform your own trading. Imitating me will not help. And anyone who says otherwise is NOT a real trader. There is no way that someone who genuinely wants to learn to trade could NOT learn from ALL the material presented and offered here.

So a note to all who read this - most "identities" on here are not who they seem to be. There is a difference between a parasite and someone who wants to learn. One has no attitude and one does.

I have seen how many people have acted and operated on this site. And it doesn't bother me how you conduct yourselves. If you prefer mental masturbation to learning, please, go ahead.

My trading approach is simple. So poking a stick at this old dog does nothing.

I am sure if I met you in real life I would think you rabid and would calmly choose to put you down as a mercy.

To those people trying to learn - I am sorry. Much of the work you do to become proficient at trading will need to be done on your own, as I'm sure you know George spoke of at many intervals. Clearly things I have said have caused problems for some people. Well, bad luck.

Much Laughter and Fun

Peter
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