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  • #4,521
  • Nov 4, 2020 9:17am Nov 4, 2020 9:17am
Quoting vitall
EURCHF, HD is forming: {image}
Hi to your experience in MTF confirmation, which one do you think is more powerful?

1. Regular Divergence in HTF and Hidden Divergence in LTF
2. Hidden Divergence in HTF and Regular Divergence in LTF

What is your comment of seeing both Regular Divergence & Hidden Divergence at the same time?
(The bottom is MACD line, 6,13 period. But original 12,26 showed similar pattern)
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Thanks a lot for your sharing!
  • #4,522
  • Nov 4, 2020 10:11am Nov 4, 2020 10:11am
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Hi to your experience in MTF confirmation, which one do you think is more powerful? 1. Regular Divergence in HTF and Hidden Divergence in LTF 2. Hidden Divergence in HTF and Regular Divergence in LTF What is your comment of seeing both Regular Divergence & Hidden Divergence at the same time? (The bottom is MACD line, 6,13 period. But original 12,26 showed similar pattern) {image} Thanks a lot for your sharing!
you can wait for Vitall's reply but he was not in the NY session today.

not a matter of which is more powerful, but which is easier to trade at different stages of trend.

RD for trend reversal, HD for trend continuation.

when start of new htf trend reversal, with RD its more difficult to trade due to beginning of htf trend change taking a while to turn a big ship around, there's period of ranging.
when trend already established, easier to trade htf RD when already in motion. then ltf HD or RD if there's no HD.

when trend already establish in htf, HD means the trend will continue. then ltf RD or HD if there's no RD.

the chart does not provide full information. need to see htf trend and go in that direction.
solely from the chart, there's higher high, higher low. HD would be more appropriate.
but has to include the following as filters:
1. trend line break and/or
2. macd above zero line and/or
3. fractal break to the up side.
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  • #4,523
  • Nov 4, 2020 9:00pm Nov 4, 2020 9:00pm
Quoting Inthebox
i thought this would be good and want to share with those using divergences today. not holy grail but more than good enough. i may have missed out some. divergences can be traded as stand alone or better still, trade with trend line or macd buy/sell zone as filter. {image} {image}
Thanks for your detailed explanation!

Just like other strategy approches, I am now just a learner and gaining experience and slowly developing my strategy based on this idea.

I do agree that the HD in the two halves of MACD zone looks a bit more reliable. It also seems that a HD crossing the MACD 0 tends to be followed by a continuation of trend more sharply. (eg a bullish HD, first peak above 0 and second below 0). But I am still gathering more cases to support this hypothesis
  • #4,524
  • Nov 5, 2020 6:28am Nov 5, 2020 6:28am
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Hi to your experience in MTF confirmation, which one do you think is more powerful? 1. Regular Divergence in HTF and Hidden Divergence in LTF 2. Hidden Divergence in HTF and Regular Divergence in LTF What is your comment of seeing both Regular Divergence & Hidden Divergence at the same time? (The bottom is MACD line, 6,13 period. But original 12,26 showed similar pattern) {image} Thanks a lot for your sharing!
I personaly trade #2 (HD on HTF- RD on LTF).
Look at this story:
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  • #4,525
  • Nov 5, 2020 6:33am Nov 5, 2020 6:33am
Quoting vitall
{quote} I personaly trade #2 (HD on HTF- RD on LTF). Look at this story: {image}{image}
And now this situation on M15:
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  • #4,526
  • Nov 5, 2020 6:46am Nov 5, 2020 6:46am
Quoting vitall
{quote} And now this situation on M15: {image}
Look at this area:
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  • #4,527
  • Nov 5, 2020 6:55am Nov 5, 2020 6:55am
BOOM!:
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  • #4,528
  • Nov 5, 2020 7:08am Nov 5, 2020 7:08am
Highlighted candle was a great signal to short. More conservative is to wait for MACD Signal line crossing "0".
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  • #4,529
  • Nov 5, 2020 9:01am Nov 5, 2020 9:01am
Quoting vitall
Highlighted candle was a great signal to short. More conservative is to wait for MACD Signal line crossing "0". {image}
Thanks for the sharing! Yes I also reviewed the case and glad to realize I can see the pattern quickly in a hindsight. Adapting fast!

And I congratulate you for winning that trade! It tanked quite a bit in a short time! Happy for you!
  • #4,530
  • Nov 5, 2020 12:35pm Nov 5, 2020 12:35pm
Quoting vitall
Highlighted candle was a great signal to short. More conservative is to wait for MACD Signal line crossing "0". {image}
Adding confirmation: a clear Stop Run on the H chart.
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  • #4,531
  • Nov 6, 2020 2:08am Nov 6, 2020 2:08am
EUR USD

Yep, my day is done
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  • #4,532
  • Nov 6, 2020 2:38am Nov 6, 2020 2:38am
EURGBP

H4
HD
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Don't Rush Things, Be PATIENT and Wait For the Best Trade Setup
  • #4,533
  • Nov 6, 2020 3:15am Nov 6, 2020 3:15am
Quoting Cj.cn
EURGBP H4 HD {image}
The major trend is down-> this HD is not good case. Put MA100 on the chart and use it as a filter.
Check out this:
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  • #4,534
  • Nov 6, 2020 3:22am Nov 6, 2020 3:22am
i think there is a chance of going up.
broke trend line, came down to test, back up trend line, macd above zero.
whenever trend line or SR break, always expect ranging first.
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  • #4,535
  • Nov 6, 2020 3:33am Nov 6, 2020 3:33am
Quoting Inthebox
i think there is a chance of going up. broke trend line, came down to test, back up trend line, macd above zero. whenever trend line or SR break, always expect ranging first. {image}
i don't like EURGBP
It's too difficult to trade
  • #4,536
  • Nov 6, 2020 3:36am Nov 6, 2020 3:36am
Quoting dany78
{quote} i don't like EURGBP It's too difficult to trade
me too. i don't trade EUR vs GBP vs CHF, and AUD vs NZD vs CAD.
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  • #4,537
  • Nov 6, 2020 4:44am Nov 6, 2020 4:44am
Do I understand it well that you ignore some pairs to analyse? If so, do want to share your list of pairs that you do your analysis for?
  • #4,538
  • Nov 6, 2020 5:30am Nov 6, 2020 5:30am
Quoting DNews
Do I understand it well that you ignore some pairs to analyse? If so, do want to share your list of pairs that you do your analysis for?
being new, you may not know.
click on "quote" if you want to direct a question to that person.

the 10 pairs i monitor here.
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  • #4,539
  • Nov 6, 2020 6:38am Nov 6, 2020 6:38am
Quoting Inthebox
{quote} being new, you may not know. click on "quote" if you want to direct a question to that person. the 10 pairs i monitor here.
I didn't know, but thanks for your response!
  • #4,540
  • Nov 6, 2020 8:07am Nov 6, 2020 8:07am
DNews, daytrading and positional trading is not only TFs. You shoud understand it.
For daytrading check spreads of your broker. Some paires are not good for DT(spreads 7 or more).
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