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  • #62,881
  • Nov 3, 2020 8:31am Nov 3, 2020 8:31am
Fti,

I wanted to thank you for our discussion about sigma and how its measured by the gradient/slope of the move. I have gone back and searched the thread for discussions on sigma/gradient/slope. although you hinted at it and mentioned it several times it seems it wasnt discussed much by the others. From what I've gathered is if the gradient slope is >45 degrees it is a significant move and if its 30 degrees or less it is weak (i know these statements seem obvious =). My question is...how is this slope measured? by the lows of an up trend and highs of a down trend? is there a tool you use to accurately measure the slope or is it visually guestimated?
  • #62,882
  • Nov 3, 2020 11:07pm Nov 3, 2020 11:07pm
Quoting dbrown101
Fti, I wanted to thank you for our discussion about sigma and how its measured by the gradient/slope of the move. I have gone back and searched the thread for discussions on sigma/gradient/slope. although you hinted at it and mentioned it several times it seems it wasnt discussed much by the others. From what I've gathered is if the gradient slope is >45 degrees it is a significant move and if its 30 degrees or less it is weak (i know these statements seem obvious =). My question is...how is this slope measured?
You can measure any linear chart or any bar chart from its hip and lops . Start of any impluse waves.

Regards
  • #62,883
  • Edited 11:19pm Nov 3, 2020 11:09pm | Edited 11:19pm
Quoting dbrown101
Fti, is there a tool you use to accurately measure the slope or is it visually guestimated?
Are you mad?
You talk accuracy and guestimates in same sentence.

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  • #62,884
  • Edited 11:46pm Nov 3, 2020 11:32pm | Edited 11:46pm
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  • #62,885
  • Nov 4, 2020 11:47am Nov 4, 2020 11:47am
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  • #62,886
  • Nov 4, 2020 11:47am Nov 4, 2020 11:47am
Ant hits fan. No bucket.
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  • #62,887
  • Edited 12:03pm Nov 4, 2020 11:52am | Edited 12:03pm
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  • #62,888
  • Edited 12:24pm Nov 4, 2020 12:09pm | Edited 12:24pm
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  • Nov 4, 2020 6:28pm Nov 4, 2020 6:28pm
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  • #62,890
  • Nov 5, 2020 8:16am Nov 5, 2020 8:16am
Quoting fti
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  • #62,891
  • Nov 5, 2020 9:40am Nov 5, 2020 9:40am
Quoting Jacque
{quote} Singapore stocks are finally rallying from lows, yesterday and today. time to get out prison
Thank you to em let your money out of prison.
Now have more discipline money. Hahahaha
Jacque.

Regards
  • #62,892
  • Nov 5, 2020 11:52am Nov 5, 2020 11:52am
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  • #62,893
  • Edited 12:37pm Nov 5, 2020 12:07pm | Edited 12:37pm
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  • #62,894
  • Nov 6, 2020 3:47am Nov 6, 2020 3:47am
Quoting dbrown101
Fti, I wanted to thank you for our discussion about sigma and how its measured by the gradient/slope of the move. I have gone back and searched the thread for discussions on sigma/gradient/slope. although you hinted at it and mentioned it several times it seems it wasnt discussed much by the others. From what I've gathered is if the gradient slope is >45 degrees it is a significant move and if its 30 degrees or less it is weak (i know these statements seem obvious =). My question is...how is this slope measured? by the lows of an up trend and highs...
Angles will change when screen/chart size changes. Try using the %difference of price/ma as a slope value.
  • #62,895
  • Nov 6, 2020 9:33am Nov 6, 2020 9:33am
Quoting Spikehunter
{quote} Angles will change when screen/chart size changes. Try using the %difference of price/ma as a slope value.
thank you spike hunter. I was meaning to write a reply about this but you beat me to it! The angles change as you zoom in and out of the time frames so I was still pondering a way to read the slope. Fti and I did have a discussion about the ATR of a leg and how it indicates the volitility/Vega and that can also indicate speed of move and whether the trend is losing steam.

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Try using the %difference of price/ma as a slope value

Im not quite clear on this but i think you are suggesting to measure the % from one point to another(from hip to lop?) and note the % change and benchmark that for the next move to see if it increases or decrease? also you meantioned MA and I think noting the distance from current price level to the MA can indicate whether price volitility is increasing or decreasing.
  • #62,896
  • Edited 10:31am Nov 6, 2020 10:07am | Edited 10:31am
Quoting dbrown101
{quote} thank you spike hunter. I was meaning to write a reply about this but you beat me to it! The angles change as you zoom in and out of the time frames so I was still pondering a way to read the slope. Fti and I did have a discussion about the ATR of a leg and how it indicates the volitility/Vega and that can also indicate speed of move and whether the trend is losing steam. {quote} Im not quite clear on this but i think you are suggesting to measure the % from one point to another(from hip to lop?) and note the % change and benchmark that...
Yes that's basically what I was suggesting. I have tried a weighted Moving Average based on Weighted Close as this gives something close to a Regression point. I used TMA initially but that repaints but while I think its more accurate over the last 6 data points its not great for eyeball back testing.

I don't know if you can code, but this is reasonably self explanatory.

It uses a 21 period TMA and compares data point 1 to 5 bars previous data point 6. The *10000 is just to get a sensible number. This is reasonably processor intensive and shouldn't be calculated every tick. I have it calculated hourly.

if(Hour()!=CalcHour)
{CalcHour=Hour();
double TMA1=iCustom(NULL,60,"TMA",60,21,6,1.618,0,6);
double TMA2=iCustom(NULL,60,"TMA",60,21,6,1.618,0,1);
double TMA1=iMA(NULL,60,21,0,MODE_SMMA,PRICE_CLOSE,6);
double TMA2=iMA(NULL,60,21,0,MODE_SMMA,PRICE_CLOSE,1);
double TMAStrength= ((TMA1-TMA2)/TMA1)*10000 ;
}

Of course there's a million ways to do this and it's just something I had been working on. I am searching for the "great" trend indicator which I may never find, but hey ho that doesn't matter.

Oh by the way, I did originally use the ATR to define how fast something should be moving and then just opted for a straight percentage. In hindsight movement against ATR might be better. e.g ATR=10 so after 5 bars the max expected move would be 50. If price has only moved 25 pips then 50% relative movement. I am not a mathematician so my ideas a reasonably basic, but at least I can code most stuff.

Not sure if this rambling helps but you are welcome to ask more or offer any suggestion we can code.

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If you were to use 2 periods of comparison i.e. 5 & 21 data points (based on the same 21period TMA) you would see accelerating and slowing of price.
  • #62,897
  • Nov 6, 2020 10:18pm Nov 6, 2020 10:18pm
The Chinese Communist system.
How dare you, speak against it.
Phinish.
The emperor acts.
Gifts, lots, if you know what's good for yous.

No discipline brain.don't know when to talk when to keep quiet.
Use brain.

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  • #62,898
  • Edited Nov 7, 2020 12:42am Nov 6, 2020 10:21pm | Edited Nov 7, 2020 12:42am
Quoting Spikehunter
{quote} Yes that's basically what I was suggesting. I have tried a weighted Moving Average based on Weighted Close as this gives something close to a Regression point. I used TMA initially but that repaints but while I think its more accurate over the last 6 data points its not great for eyeball back testing. I don't know if you can code, but this is reasonably self explanatory. It uses a 21 period TMA and compares data point 1 to 5 bars previous data point 6. The *10000 is just to get a sensible number. This is reasonably processor intensive and...
You no have thread. Need hijack someone else's injecting you rubbish?

Sell u programming skills elsewhere.
This is a trading skills thread.

After you got enough skills write a proper trading platform, then you try sell it.
No give us half Pass six codes that fails.
Rubbish.
  • #62,899
  • Edited 10:35pm Nov 6, 2020 10:24pm | Edited 10:35pm
Quoting dbrown101
{quote} thank you spike hunter. I was meaning to write a reply about this but you beat me to it! The angles change as you zoom in and out of the time frames so I was still pondering a way to read the slope. Fti and I did have a discussion about the ATR of a leg and how it indicates the volitility/Vega and that can also indicate speed of move and whether the trend is losing steam. {quote} Im not quite clear on this but i think you are suggesting to measure the % from one point to another(from hip to lop?) and note the % change and benchmark that...
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  • #62,900
  • Edited Nov 7, 2020 12:59am Nov 6, 2020 10:37pm | Edited Nov 7, 2020 12:59am
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