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  • #101
  • Oct 17, 2020 6:36am Oct 17, 2020 6:36am
Quoting korosh1350
You mean that you wit for chiko to enter again from the more appropriate place(pull back).thanks very useful and will help to determine better risk to reward . I Trade price action but i use your strategy to enter the trade and it was very useful . Gratitude
exactly wait for pullback or if chikou already cross from the (up,or down as show in image) so no need to wait pullback

that is great to combine it with price action .... you can mix it with any thing you like

yes it is possible to get diffrent signal between 1H,4H ..... so u can choose the best signal (depend on size of cloud, chickou cross, price cross in same cloud or different (i explain this point in post 98 )),risk ratio ) if u found yourself confused u can ignore it and wait new setup in another pair
  • #102
  • Oct 17, 2020 7:41am Oct 17, 2020 7:41am
Quoting Wezsniper
{quote} exactly wait for pullback or if chikou already cross from the (up,or down as show in image) so no need to wait pullback that is great to combine it with price action .... you can mix it with any thing you like yes it is possible to get diffrent signal between 1H,4H ..... so u can choose the best signal (depend on size of cloud, chickou cross, price cross in same cloud or different (i explain this point in post 98 )),risk ratio ) if u found yourself confused u can ignore it and wait new setup in another pair
gratitude very useful help
  • #103
  • Oct 17, 2020 9:57am Oct 17, 2020 9:57am
great strategy, looks works well even 1minute timeframe.
  • #104
  • Edited 11:07am Oct 17, 2020 10:33am | Edited 11:07am
with permission wezsniper . i know a tip may be helpful and we can use it for target . when there is a cloud that price donot touch its very possible that price reach the cloud again . we call it bermuda triangle
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  • #105
  • Oct 17, 2020 12:10pm Oct 17, 2020 12:10pm
Quoting korosh1350
with permission wezsniper . i know a tip may be helpful and we can use it for target . when there is a cloud that price donot touch its very possible that price reach the cloud again . we call it bermuda triangle{image} {image}
hmmmm looks interesting ... honestly this first time to look about it
so if u have more example and illustrate please do that

thanks
  • #106
  • Oct 17, 2020 1:19pm Oct 17, 2020 1:19pm
Quoting Wezsniper
{quote} hmmmm looks interesting ... honestly this first time to look about it so if u have more example and illustrate please do that thanks
with pleasure(USDJPY H1)
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  • #107
  • Oct 18, 2020 3:55am Oct 18, 2020 3:55am
Quoting Wezsniper
{quote} As you see i below picture the uptrend cloud green and arrow is green .... you see chikou with black *red arrow ( it cross out the cloud almost from middle {image}As you see in another picture No 2 where is the black chikou and arrow it at the upof cloud {image} i hope it is clear now
Thanks for the reply so we enter if the chikou cross at the end of the cloud. its good to trade? I am still confused sorry for that. I cant see the picture clearly because it from mobile (vertical chart very compressed) people who understood also please help me

Thanks

the settings is clear but the proper rules to enter is still confusing to me anyone can help please (sorry about me bad english)
  • #108
  • Oct 18, 2020 6:21am Oct 18, 2020 6:21am
M5 seems to work fine too. The only thing in my opinion in this strategy is to improve the targets and stoplosses
  • #109
  • Oct 18, 2020 10:31am Oct 18, 2020 10:31am
Quoting gian97
M5 seems to work fine too. The only thing in my opinion in this strategy is to improve the targets and stoplosses
Yes sir it work well ...but need to practice first at large time frame ...then u willbe advanced with system so it’s flexible

hmmm target and sl will determine by fibo and by practice
  • #110
  • Oct 18, 2020 11:19am Oct 18, 2020 11:19am
Quoting Wezsniper
{quote} Yes sir it work well ...but need to practice first at large time frame ...then u willbe advanced with system so it’s flexible hmmm target and sl will determine by fibo and by practice
for me it would be necessary to find a flexible way to manage take profit. When you take a good trend you should earn more, so as not to suffer too much DD when there will be losses due to the side market which can give false signals
  • #111
  • Oct 18, 2020 11:45am Oct 18, 2020 11:45am
i think its good to use fibo for target but we should add another condition that tp at least equal to sl if the win rate is about 50%. its very important that we know about winrate only wezsniper can help us. also we can use ma200 higher time frame as another filter
  • #112
  • Oct 18, 2020 12:38pm Oct 18, 2020 12:38pm
To gian97 ... to avoid sidemarket you can get it from the prevoius cloud ... if it’s long (large) cloud so it will be a good trend ...
mm So for target u can add fibo and mixed it with pivot or support and resistance...

To korosh1350... yes fibo is great ... exactly u can Get make risk ratio By fibo (RR)
Also u can add 200 ma .. but I don’t prefer it .. because there are some signal enter late or can’t catch it
  • #113
  • Oct 18, 2020 4:26pm Oct 18, 2020 4:26pm
Quoting Wezsniper
To gian97 ... to avoid sidemarket you can get it from the prevoius cloud ... if it’s long (large) cloud so it will be a good trend ... mm So for target u can add fibo and mixed it with pivot or support and resistance... To korosh1350... yes fibo is great ... exactly u can Get make risk ratio By fibo (RR) Also u can add 200 ma .. but I don’t prefer it .. because there are some signal enter late or can’t catch it
what about we use ma200 like this . for h1 we only choose the ichi signals that are same as trend in 4h and we determine trend by mv200 if price is above it its uptrend and vice versa
  • #114
  • Oct 18, 2020 5:38pm Oct 18, 2020 5:38pm
Quoting korosh1350
{quote} what about we use ma200 like this . for h1 we only choose the ichi signals that are same as trend in 4h and we determine trend by mv200 if price is above it its uptrend and vice versa
I was thinking something similar.

Actually you don’t need to use the MA-200 in the 4-hour timeframe as a directional bias for the 1-hour timeframe: you could do it all in the 1-hour timeframe simply by using the MA-800 instead (for this purpose, it’s the same as the MA-200 on the 4-hourt chart).

I think that might be too long, myself. I was thinking about just the MA-200 or MA-250 on the 1-hour chart.

It will definitely remove some losing entries.

The problem is that it will also remove some winning trades.

Whether it’s profitable to this, on balance, is something that only methodical back testing over a large sample size can disclose.

Unfortunately I can’t offer to help with that, because I don’t use EAs or MT4 at all.

My guess is that it will be worthwhile.

These are 2 very interesting threads you’ve started, here, Wezsniper - thank you!
  • #115
  • Oct 18, 2020 6:02pm Oct 18, 2020 6:02pm
Quoting korosh1350
{quote} what about we use ma200 like this . for h1 we only choose the ichi signals that are same as trend in 4h and we determine trend by mv200 if price is above it its uptrend and vice versa

As you know we are in the forth quarter of the year and USA election+ virus corona second wave ... all of this condition make the market very volality and not stable
so i focus with scalp system ,,,, orwith system if found valid signal and take some profit then put it in BE .
so as i say before and Quickly mention the movieng average will remove some winners trade and losing trade

SO i prefer this system and can combine Price action

and focus with the behavior of the cloud you will understand the market ... because everything in the cloud is important


thanks
  • #116
  • Edited Oct 19, 2020 5:51am Oct 18, 2020 8:23pm | Edited Oct 19, 2020 5:51am
is this setups ok it will be very useful if you can to put some live trade here .
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  • #117
  • Edited 1:22pm Oct 19, 2020 7:20am | Edited 1:22pm
Quoting korosh1350
is this setups ok it will be very useful if you can to put some live trade here . {image} {image}
I'm confused about R:R at this XAU example:
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(yes, I took this trade now, after the pullback, but the first cross was from the red cloud, so I think it's right signal [or not?])
If we scale FIBO from HH to LL of the swing that make previous red cloud, then
we are almost at the 50% now and have no real target?
+
We have very-very big SL if we use LL of the previous wave or even the lowest point of the cloud.
I think I do something wrong

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TP is near, SL is far
What do I read wrong again?

P.S.
Dear Wezsniper,
when you answer my questions I like your posts instead of writing "thank you" not to waste your thread (with all my respect)
Just an opinion. Based on research
  • #118
  • Oct 19, 2020 8:47am Oct 19, 2020 8:47am
Quoting korosh1350
is this setups ok it will be very useful if you can to put some live trade here . {image} {image}
HI sir
USDJPY is a good setup
XAUUSD i dont like it .... becuase if you zoom out the chart u will find the cloud it is not clear
  • #119
  • Oct 19, 2020 10:58am Oct 19, 2020 10:58am
Quoting Wezsniper
{quote} HI sir USDJPY is a good setup XAUUSD i dont like it .... becuase if you zoom out the chart u will find the cloud it is not clear
i just want to gratitude to take you time and i will listen to your advice that scalp is more appropriate wright now
  • #120
  • Oct 19, 2020 11:02am Oct 19, 2020 11:02am
Quoting since80808
{quote} I'm confused about R:R at this XAU example: {image}(yes, I took this trade now, after the pullback, but the first cross was from the red cloud, so I think it's right signal [or not?]) If we scale FIBO from HH to LL of the swing that make previous red cloud, then we are almost at the 50% now and have no real target? + We have very-very big SL if we use LL of the previous wave or even the lowest point of the cloud. I think I do something wrong Similar situation: {image} {image}TP is near, SL is far What do I read wrong again? P.S....
you mention the right thing first of all we can enter pull back and we also can refuse to enter such trade its a good condition to enter the trade only when tp is at least equal to sl
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