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  • #8,701
  • Aug 14, 2020 9:37am Aug 14, 2020 9:37am
Quoting joe123
{image} {quote} very good, where is the demand? do some multi time frame analysis to find it! PS, i wont post to often like this. ill do more longer time frame EURUSD charts and Dollar index only.
Hi Joe. I thought you were asking for your own info.... didn't take this as an exercise
  • #8,702
  • Aug 14, 2020 9:56am Aug 14, 2020 9:56am
keeping an eye on the $ index https://invst.ly/rt4jp
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  • #8,703
  • Aug 14, 2020 5:34pm Aug 14, 2020 5:34pm
Quoting Masterquis
Thanks DavidKi for the input and resources DavidKl! That was really cool of you to share your spreadsheet so we can all have a starting point to build our own trading journals from. I've been listening to a lot of podcasts trying to get ideas on this topic. These are podcasts from traders that have gone from blowing up accounts, to breakeven, and eventually consistently profitable. The common thread through all of these podcasts are that each trader saw a significant improvement in their trading process, and thus equity curve after they started...

In addition to others, I think we should also journal our thoughts(be them random or related to forex) and how we're feeling before taking trades
  • #8,704
  • Aug 15, 2020 4:23am Aug 15, 2020 4:23am
GBP/USD long.
we hinting at a 5 min pocket of demand

EURGBP is heading up. will keep pressure on GBPUSD, hence my limit.
Dollar index can go a little lower, which should pick this up in the short term.

ps. The spread is over 15 pips might do this manually
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  • #8,705
  • Aug 15, 2020 4:41am Aug 15, 2020 4:41am
lots of buying opportunity on this pair (audnzd)

anyway over and out.
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  • #8,706
  • Aug 15, 2020 2:27pm Aug 15, 2020 2:27pm
AUDUSD 1 min buy
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  • #8,707
  • Aug 15, 2020 4:55pm Aug 15, 2020 4:55pm
Please I've a question, can anyone clarify me

Monthly is in an uptrend, weekly in a downtrend
By the realignment, I should wait for price to get to monthly demand and buy
So price gets to monthly demand, and I use a daily wow as confirmation entry long

Now price is rallying from that daily wow and going well and then forms other daily demand on it's way up.
Can I take them also?
My fear is that although price is rallying from monthly demand, the weekly is still down and taking daily demands doesn't seem right since the weekly trend hasn't changed and also the weekly might also have it's on wow trade on the monthly demand so daily demand wouldn't work but I've videos of alphonso Moreno in similar trade scenario taking the daily demands as it goes up.
Can anyone clarify, did I miss something
  • #8,708
  • Aug 15, 2020 11:03pm Aug 15, 2020 11:03pm
Quoting Obiech
Please I've a question, can anyone clarify me Monthly is in an uptrend, weekly in a downtrend By the realignment, I should wait for price to get to monthly demand and buy So price gets to monthly demand, and I use a daily wow as confirmation entry long Now price is rallying from that daily wow and going well and then forms other daily demand on it's way up. Can I take them also? My fear is that although price is rallying from monthly demand, the weekly is still down and taking daily demands doesn't seem right since the weekly trend hasn't changed...

Hey Obiech, could you post the chart you're looking at. Since trends change from inside out (Daily will turn into an uptrend before the Weekly) it would be appropriate to take daily demand as long as the demand zone is of quality (Time at zone, move away, location on the curve, freshness, etc...) AND you have enough profit margin between the Daily demand you are looking at and the next opposing Supply zone whether that be the next daily Supply or the Weekly Supply. However, the best demand zones usually are at lower price.

Post your TDA so the traders here can check out you're particular scenario.
  • #8,709
  • Aug 16, 2020 5:14am Aug 16, 2020 5:14am
Quoting Obiech
Please I've a question, can anyone clarify me Monthly is in an uptrend, weekly in a downtrend By the realignment, I should wait for price to get to monthly demand and buy So price gets to monthly demand, and I use a daily wow as confirmation entry long Now price is rallying from that daily wow and going well and then forms other daily demand on it's way up. Can I take them also? My fear is that although price is rallying from monthly demand, the weekly is still down and taking daily demands doesn't seem right since the weekly trend hasn't changed...
NZD/USD 4H chart.

here is a example for you which is what you were referring to i believe.

Price is in a uptrend on longer time frame (daily). price are going down on 4 hourly. they are going down into a demand zone. you want to buy at the low of the uptrend which this is what it is. you want to wait for price to hit the lower level before buying more, other wise price will turn against you. but like masterquis said, a chart will do alot of good.

I like the bottom level more then the top, but i think we can make a move up from the top level, which is around 0.6480 ish. lower level comes in at 0.6450.

this would bring dollar bears back in. i am currently bullish on dollar in the shorter term as we are getting closer to a demand level.

over and out.
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  • #8,710
  • Aug 17, 2020 9:49am Aug 17, 2020 9:49am
Hey Joe and masterquis, thanks for the reply

monthly trend is down, price at monthly supply
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weekly trend is up, the weekly is out of alignment so I sell monthly supply
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so I use daily wow as confirmation and sell the supply that broke the trendline.

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Now the question is as price continues going down on the daily, it creates more supply. Can I sell those supply also.

My fear is that the weekly trend is still up so selling daily supply seems wrong and if I can truly sell the daily supply when the weekly is up, then what's the use of the weekly time frame.


Also another question I hope you can talk on is how to time my entry on
I prefer to enter on the 4hr and most times the setup works well but price either takes me out or miss my entry
  • #8,711
  • Aug 17, 2020 11:48am Aug 17, 2020 11:48am
buy eurusd. fresh supply is lower down so will shall see.
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  • #8,712
  • Aug 17, 2020 12:32pm Aug 17, 2020 12:32pm
Quoting Obiech
Hey Joe and masterquis, thanks for the reply monthly trend is down, price at monthly supply {image} weekly trend is up, the weekly is out of alignment so I sell monthly supply {image} so I use daily wow as confirmation and sell the supply that broke the trendline. {image} Now the question is as price continues going down on the daily, it creates more supply. Can I sell those supply also. My fear is that the weekly trend is still up so selling daily supply seems wrong and if I can truly sell the daily supply when the weekly is up, then what's the...
NICE! you got it right at the top. well done.

the post right before yours refers to your chart on a lower time frame (4h).

in theory, yes. you can keep shorting the supply zones. there's a few near by for you you have a lower risk short on the upper zone, which would give you the highest reward, with the lowest risk, but we could turn on the lower one which is a nice cap on 4 hour. not to complicate it. chart provided.
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  • #8,713
  • Aug 17, 2020 12:37pm Aug 17, 2020 12:37pm
Quoting Masterquis
Hey everyone, I've been following the thread for about a month an a half now reading from beginning to about page 380. After seeing many other threads on FF I must say this has GOT to be the most healthy environment for a trader to learn on this entire forum. Big ups to AKT and the rest of you guys for keeping the toxicity out of here. I've been trading SnD for about 2 years now with the typical results of ups and downs and after reading through the thread its become pretty obvious to me that if I want to improve my trading I should probably have...
Hello Masterquis
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Thank you for the kind words. The hope is the thread adds value

If i may, regarding what to journal...the most important thing i consider and ask my traders to do is journal their mental states, especially how they are thinking while they are thinking, before they take any action.

After a while of being a practitioner and speculator you find that chart analysis is important but self analysis and reflection are equally if not more important.
It is required doing for traders on the Roundtable because to perform, we have to be able to reflect on ourselves, our thought processes and mindset before, during and after any activity in the market.

So, one question you may want to ask before taking a trade may be, "what is at stake in this trade" (and i don't mean in terms of monetary value).

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #8,714
  • Aug 17, 2020 3:10pm Aug 17, 2020 3:10pm
Quoting joe123
{quote} NICE! you got it right at the top. well done. the post right before yours refers to your chart on a lower time frame (4h). in theory, yes. you can keep shorting the supply zones. there's a few near by for you you have a lower risk short on the upper zone, which would give you the highest reward, with the lowest risk, but we could turn on the lower one which is a nice cap on 4 hour. not to complicate it. chart provided. {image} {image}

I think we can reach 0.6642
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  • #8,715
  • Edited 5:59pm Aug 17, 2020 5:45pm | Edited 5:59pm
small explanation of how i find trades. taking into account we are in a uptrend, supply levels would be taken out fairly quickly and you would know you are in a bad short trade very quickly.

the upper level i wouldn't really consider a supply zone, or a good one. just giving an example of what to look for. also multi time frame analysis is very important and will determine alot when it comes to successful zones.
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  • #8,716
  • Aug 17, 2020 6:13pm Aug 17, 2020 6:13pm
two levels on top of/ next to each other. audusd 5 min chart. missed this one.
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  • #8,717
  • Aug 18, 2020 4:30am Aug 18, 2020 4:30am
USDCHF 15 min.

clear drop away with engulfing as confirmation of entry. basic supply setup.
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  • #8,718
  • Aug 18, 2020 5:00am Aug 18, 2020 5:00am
Quoting joe123
USDCHF 15 min. clear drop away with engulfing as confirmation of entry. basic supply setup. {image} {image}
bailed, looking at 0.9080 for a short. level is better up there.
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  • #8,719
  • Aug 18, 2020 8:53am Aug 18, 2020 8:53am
Quoting joe123
{quote} bailed, looking at 0.9080 for a short. level is better up there.
Why .9080?

what is the PA look like? That price level seems like it would be above any stop for any supply shown here.
  • #8,720
  • Aug 18, 2020 11:32am Aug 18, 2020 11:32am
Hey guys

Are these the current valid Supply and demand on the daily? (EURCAD)
correct me if I'm wrong. thanks,

https://www.tradingview.com/x/oO3x2sFh/
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