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Quoting GMD
{quote} How much I make in a month.. THAT is personal... Showing % is harmless... a 100% could be millions or just hundreds.. no one knows.. but % is what matters.. Dont show 5 years buddy.. All I am saying is.. at least show us last 2 months... S&D trader Please, regulated broker
Both of your TE are not even 2 months. Why are you asking others to do something you have not even done yourself?

Your TE is 10 days and 36 days respectively. I'm not trying to bash you but someones TE does not reflect their knowledge. Do you guys really think any long term profitable trader would come on here to prove anything to any of you?

Honestly think about it. Would you? Would you waste your time with this?

I can upload my brokers TE right now on here and you still would find something to argue about.
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Quoting viptrading
{quote} Both of your TE are not even 2 months. Why are you asking others to do something you have not even done yourself? Your TE is 10 days and 36 days respectively. I'm not trying to bash you but someones TE does not reflect their knowledge. Do you guys really think any long term profitable trader would come on here to prove anything to any of you? Honestly think about it. Would you? Would you waste your time with this? I can upload my brokers TE right now on here and you still would find something to argue about.
One is 20 days.. and the other is 37 days, that's almost 2 months.

But that is not the point Vip.. the point is I am not saying what I do works.. but yet I upload my TE for anyone to judge my words..

If you claim S&D works.. well show a 2 months TE just like I do
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Quoting GMD
{quote} Whos talking about bank account or earnings mate???... Showing % is harmless... Stop making excuses and be honest with yourself.. You can't upload it... I am not here to make fun of you mate.. But you are claiming S&D works.. when the person who created the methodology in techninal analysis is actually a fraud..... Don't claim S&D works when you can't prove it... In fact.. no S&D trader has evern proved ANYTHING. I am not saying what I do works... But again, I have the guts to upload what I do... anyone here is free to judge me or follow...
No I will not put my TE. You are the one who started judging. Either way you can tell that you have micro lots accounts. You just started TE anyway. But like I said good for you all the profit for you. Going to go work out now in my basement in my nice beautiful home that I bought with my trading money and enjoy it. Will be back later. Trade safe.
Quoting viptrading
{quote} Both of your TE are not even 2 months. Why are you asking others to do something you have not even done yourself? Your TE is 10 days and 36 days respectively. I'm not trying to bash you but someones TE does not reflect their knowledge. Do you guys really think any long term profitable trader would come on here to prove anything to any of you? Honestly think about it. Would you? Would you waste your time with this? I can upload my brokers TE right now on here and you still would find something to argue about.
In fact the whole point of my words are this...

The reason I can upload a TE is because one day I decided to start listeing to people who can actually proof the things they say... So I started taking the adviced of the only guy here who was able to show years of profitable TE...
At start I didnt like what I was reading because it sounded VERY risky... but after some thinking I realize it was the best advice I could get... a person who has been profitable for years and has actual proof... he must be right...

On the other hand.. you have a WHOLE scamming system created by Sam Seiden.. and A LOT of people following him blindly with no proof... same as people here claiming S&D works... no proof

Why are you even following this people?? or listening to them??

Just 37 days TE thats all I am asking.
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Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} I have profitable statement trading back 5 years. But will not show it to you or anyone. Who are you to me that I have to show it? Nobody. Think whatever you want to. I have been trading forex full time for years. Very happy about the business I chose. This is what pays my house, my car and sometimes buying another old house, flipping it and selling it. I will not show you my bank accounts. You don't believe me or you do I don't really care buddy.
You are under no obligation to disclose the details of your TE to anyone. If posting a setup before and after the fact won't do then nothing will do, not even a trade explorer.

@GMD, glad you have something working for you. Who are you to say SD trading doesn't work for others? You remind me of folks who heavily criticized volume spread analysis as there is no way of measuring volume in forex as it is done in futures. However, many followers keep raking in a tidy sum weekly using volume to trade forex. Even in volume spread analysis, it is all about the imbalance of demand and supply and recognizing this imbalance by following the footprints of the Smart Money.
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Quoting GMD
{quote} One is 20 days.. and the other is 37 days But that is not the point Vip.. the point is I am not saying what I do works.. but yet I upload my TE for anyone to judge my words.. If you claim S&D works.. well show a 37 days TE just like I do
I didn't claim it works on its own. All I said was that it is a part of trading. It is a real thing and you cannot prove me wrong.

I don't have anything to prove by showing my account because it's irrelevant. Success in forex is very very hard. Anyone on here including myself has not mastered it yet or else I wouldn't be on here talking to you.

The point is that supply and demand is real, it exists in forex and other markets every day.
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} No I will not put my TE. You are the one who started judging. Either way you can tell that you have micro lots accounts. You just started TE anyway. But like I said good for you all the profit for you. Going to go work out now in my basement in my nice beautiful home that I bought with my trading money and enjoy it. Will be back later. Trade safe.
Yeah.. I trade micro lot.. But you see?? I talk.. but I have the guts to show what I do.. 37 days TE.. still I have the guts to show what I do.. day by day.. you can judge me...

You are here talking about something that comes from Sam Saiden, defending his theory.. proven to be a scammer..

So.. am I the crazy one?
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Quoting viptrading
{quote} I didn't claim it works on its own. All I said was that it is a part of trading. It is a real thing and you cannot prove me wrong. I don't have anything to prove by showing my account because it's irrelevant. Success in forex is very very hard. Anyone on here including myself has not mastered it yet or else I wouldn't be on here talking to you. The point is that supply and demand is real, it exists in forex and other markets every day.
It does, sup and dem is real.. I am just here to say.. not in charts.

You guys are here to say Sam Saiden teachings are not a fraud... All I ask is for proof. Not here to judge if you are a pro or not... just want to see if Sam Saiden theorys are actually worthy...

There is a reason the guy seems to be a fraud...

Idk, trying to make some sense here.
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Quoting GMD
{quote} It does, sup and dem is real.. I am just here to say.. not in charts. You guys are here to say Sam Saiden teachings are not a fraud... All I ask is for proof. Not here to judge if you are a pro or not... just want to see if Sam Saiden theorys are actually worthy... There is a reason the guy seems to be a fraud... Idk, trying to make some sense here.
I also did not claim this guy is or is not a fraud. I don't even know who he is or what he does. I don't care.
My only point is that just because he is a fraud does not mean supply and demand doesn't work and can't be a part of a successful trading system. That is a logical fallacy.
Quoting viptrading
{quote} I also did not claim this guy is a fraud. My only point is that just because he is a fraud does not mean supply and demand doesn't work and can't be a part of a successful trading system. That is a logical fallacy.
Alright mate. Look I am wasting my time really.. The thread was about Sam Saiden being charged.. then all S&D traders fans appeared to start claiming S&D works...

Then things heated up because no one wanted to prove their words..

If you claim something works.. shouldn't you prove it?? Is that ilogical?

If you go to a job interview for manager of a company.. don't you need to prove your worth??
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Note: just because someone gets caught scamming others, it doesn't mean his or her trading strategy is a scam or doesn't work. Supply and demand trading works. But other things need to be put into consideration when using it.
You don't know because you don't ask.
Quoting GMD
{quote} How much I make in a month.. THAT is personal... Showing % is harmless... a 100% could be millions or just hundreds.. no one knows.. but % is what matters.. Dont show 5 years buddy.. All I am saying is.. at least show us last 2 months... S&D trader Please, regulated broker
Mate they are going to have your head for what you are trying to do here, especially the red diamond, so called seniors here.

GMD you're going to face the full wrath of FF senior members, the gurus, most of them belong to same group as Sam Seiden. You're not about to take away the the illusion of being profitable from them.


My last comment on this thread, before they come for my head, as you can see from few posts already.
When U allow your emotions to dictate your decisions, U make bad decision
Quoting GMD
{quote} Alright mate. Look I am wasting my time really.. The thread was about Sam Saiden being charged.. then all S&D traders fans appeared to start claiming S&D works... Then things heated up because no one wanted to prove their words.. If you claim something works.. shouldn't you prove it?? Is that ilogical? If you go to a job interview for manager of a company.. don't you need to prove your worth??
I posted 2 charts and explained to you in detail how it works.

You then asked for TE. But again, that is irrelevant. Because even if I do not have a profitable TE, facts are still facts. Banks and institutional traders trade based on levels.

Are they all wrong as well?
Quoting Chronus
{quote} You are under no obligation to disclose the details of your TE to anyone. If posting a setup before and after the fact won't do then nothing will do, not even a trade explorer. @GMD, glad you have something working for you. Who are you to say SD trading doesn't work for others? You remind me of folks who heavily criticized volume spread analysis as there is no way of measuring volume in forex as it is done in futures. However, many followers keep raking in a tidy sum weekly using volume to trade forex. Even in volume spread analysis, it...
Of course I am not.. I didn't upload it just now.. I have TE since day 1
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Quoting viptrading
{quote} I posted 2 charts and explained to you in detail how it works. You then asked for TE. But again, that is irrelevant. Because even if I do not have a profitable TE, facts are still facts. Banks and institutional traders trade based on levels. Are they all wrong as well?
I dont know if they are all wrong because I am not completly aware if they trade like that...

How can you know banks and institutional traders trade based on levels?? How did you get that info???

And if they do... How can you even find that kind of information based on candles???
(just to remind you.. I have studied S&D for a long time... now the answer for who can't succeed on S&D as for any methodology is the same... IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT... yet the person who says its your fault can't show any proof they can make it work either, right??)

Lastly.. YES I have seen your charts.. They do not say anything special about "institutional levels"
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Quoting SolidSnake-
{quote} Mate they are going to have your head for what you are trying to do here, especially the red diamond, so called seniors here. GMD you're going to face the full wrath of FF senior members, the gurus, most of them belong to same group as Sam Seiden. You're not about to take away the the illusion of being profitable from them. My last comment on this thread, before they come for my head, as you can see from few posts already.
You are right mate you are totally right.. Its really hard not to get caught in it... I am here actually trying to help some people not to get lured into this lies..

But it is true, people wants to believe in this "get rich quick" methodologys.. I once was caught in that aswell.

Thanks buddy.

Last message here too.
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Quoting SolidSnake-
{quote} Mate they are going to have your head for what you are trying to do here, especially the red diamond, so called seniors here. GMD you're going to face the full wrath of FF senior members, the gurus, most of them belong to same group as Sam Seiden. You're not about to take away the the illusion of being profitable from them. My last comment on this thread, before they come for my head, as you can see from few posts already.
There is no red diamond conspiracy here, only that you & GMD have totally missed the point of this thread.

It has now turned into a p*ssing contest.

I am also against the methods they used to sell their courses and also if proven the harrassment they unleashed on anyone who complained to the authorities.

The FTC must have gathered all their evidence to charge the OTA organisations & owners , but until judgement is made, the jury is out as they say.
Unscrupulous organisations must be hunted down & put out of business.
The Only Limit, is the One that you Set Yourself - Felix Baumgartner
Quoting GMD
{quote} I dont know if they are all wrong because I am not completly aware if they trade like that... How can you know banks and institutional traders trade based on levels?? How did you get that info??? And if they do... How can you even find that kind of information based on candles??? (just to remind you.. I have studied S&D for a long time... now the answer for who can't succeed on S&D as for any methodology is the same... IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT... yet the person who says its your fault can't show any proof they can make it work either, right??)...
So you saw the charts I posted and couldn't see the levels? You couldn't see a clear trendline being respected multiple times?

Is it just a coincidence that price bounces and respects these levels repeatedly?

I explained to you why it works and showed you how you can see it in a chart.

Institutional traders use levels they buy and sell off there levels if you don't believe me then research it yourself. Maybe speak to an institutional trader and ask them. That isn't the only thing they do though, like I said it's only a part of understanding the market.
I have diploma in economy, i'v spend some time studying this thing that nobody understands Anyway, if you believe in a whole numbers or fib levels or any other object on the chart its fine. The point is - how many dudes like you believe in the same thing. If same fib level is on every second screen worldwide at the same price level - i bet my left nut, price will bounce. Price itself doesn't matter at this point. Sentiment is a key. If i know that we gonna have ltro in Europe next year, how price will react before the fact, or after? So my point is - both sides (technically and fundamentally speaking) are right in one way or another. The key points are equity and balance in life.
Sam Seiden was a TV star. Such people are too busy with appearance and marketing to have the time to learn trading. He was obvisouly having different target.
Trading requires years to look at the charts, years to trade the charts and years to become consistent trading successfully the charts. That are a lot of years.

And to make it clear:

  1. Supply and Demand works
  2. Support and Resistance works
  3. Trendlines work
  4. Moving averages work
  5. Finbonacci works
  6. Highs and Lows work
  7. Pivots work
  8. ADR works
  9. XYZ....works

Any boundary you randomly set and trade, works.
But NOT ALL are the same


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