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  • #61
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:42am Apr 10, 2020 11:42am
Quoting GMD
{quote} To be fair, I haven't spent as much time reading your thread as I read the other I mentioned. But if I remember correctly.. YES, you traded this zones with PA combined.. Like I said this was years ago.. Lastly, a friend of mine who spent more time in your thread than I did.. Mentioned something about your teaching services in exchange of money... You don't need to be a salesman.. a private message from someone interested to learn is more than enough to get some cash in exchange of "knowledge". Again, Sam Seiden has been proven to be a scammer...
No, you prove it.

Show this public forum some evidence I've ever offered anything for money?

Seriously..
  • #62
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:44am Apr 10, 2020 11:44am
Quoting GMD
{quote} To be fair, I haven't spent as much time reading your thread as I read the other I mentioned. But if I remember correctly.. YES, you traded this zones with PA combined.. Like I said this was years ago.. Lastly, a friend of mine who spent more time in your thread than I did.. Mentioned something about your teaching services in exchange of money... You don't need to be a salesman.. a private message from someone interested to learn is more than enough to get some cash in exchange of "knowledge". Again, Sam Seiden has been proven to be a scammer...
I proved it that it works for me. I have been sharing on EURUSD thread. Everything is there black and white. If you can't see it or understand it, that is your problem. Also the other thing about TE. I think last year or so, I can't remember the name, there was a trader with a live TE but turned out to be a total scam. I can't remember the name, if I come across will let you know. So his TE was "live" but turned out was demo Go figure. Your TE, and mine statements that i share and attach will still not prove anything. It comes down to, where you enter buy/sell and see the outcome afterward. Trade safe.
  • #63
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:44am Apr 10, 2020 11:44am
Quoting Chronus
{quote} What I understand is that there is a private paid forum for members of the James16 group. Pinbars still work..before and after James16. Everything you need to know to become successful is laid out before you on the charts. One does not need to cough out an exorbitant amount in order to pursue practical knowledge of forex trading that would launch one on the path of consistent profitability.
For the sake of clarity -yes, a lot of stuff on James16 public/free site is useful. The private site is dead and James has disappeared. MBQ11 ( I think) has surfaced on a twitter site. All the free stuff, especially in the early years was useful. To conclude with your comment: One does not need to cough out an exorbitant amount in order to pursue practical knowledge of forex trading that would launch one on the path of consistent profitability.
every Saint has a past. Every Sinner has a Future
  • #64
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:45am Apr 10, 2020 11:45am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} The FTC are protecting America's Consumers, especially the older ones who were targeted with false or unfounded earnings claims. Basically the marketing tactics of the organisation are brought into question. Once you are invited onto their "Free trading seminar" then after the presentation by so-called tutors, slideshows/charts of how it's done, how easy it is etc., showing immense wealth (the dream), you are targeted by unscrupulous sales people individually in a separate room to part with your cash, (the hard sell). Buy now at a discounted...
What do you mean I dont understand what supply and demand is???

I just wrote a lot of different reasons why price fluctuates up and down... But for people like you, supply and demand it is seen in a chart... well.. no...

All the information you get.. is Time.. and Price going up and down... Maybe in stocks you get Volume aswell... There is nothing more in a chart. If you want to talk about Supply and demand then we should talk about A LOT of different factors that happens in the world 24/7 (that i mentioned in my post)... Not some random candle in a chart.. lol
  • #65
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:46am Apr 10, 2020 11:46am
GMD your logic is very simple but it is unfortunately flawed.

Do you really think trading is a simple as identifying areas of supply and demand on a chart?

The fact that I'm trying to explain to you is that supply and demand is a real thing, a part of the way currencies and economic analysis works. It is not the only thing you will need to trade successfully but it is something you need to understand as a currency trader.

It makes me laugh how many people on here that think trading is as simple as following a "strategy" or anything as simple as looking at charts.

Trading supply and demand levels, or identifying them only works if you understand the market you are trading in it's entirety, and realize that it is only one piece of the puzzle to predicting future price.
  • #66
  • Edited 11:57am Apr 10, 2020 11:46am | Edited 11:57am
Here we go. Found a message from you back in October with a polite reply considering the vagueness of the question.

Let's be clear here. Anyone who goes on public forum calling people 'scammers' or blaming people for their own failures is a straight up loser in life.

No exception.
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  • #67
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:49am Apr 10, 2020 11:49am
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} I proved it that it works for me. I have been sharing on EURUSD thread. Everything is there black and white. If you can't see it or understand it, that is your problem. Also the other thing about TE. I think last year or so, I can't remember the name, there was a trader with a live TE but turned out to be a total scam. I can't remember the name, if I come across will let you know. So his TE was "live" but turned out was demo Go figure. Your TE, and mine statements that i share and attach will still not prove anything. It comes down to, where...
Most probably he was using a broker that was not regulated... Otherwise I don't think you can fake a TE. You have to put your account number, broker and password..

You can check if a broker is legit or not.

I still believe a TE is much more reliable than just posts of screenshots tho... There are actual numbers shown... not just screenshots and words saying "another win"..
  • #68
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:49am Apr 10, 2020 11:49am
Quoting The-Flipper
{quote} It's always a 100% scam, there are no exceptions.
Prove it. Otherwise your just flaunting your ignorance on here.
  • #69
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:52am Apr 10, 2020 11:52am
Quoting GMD
{quote} Most probably he was using a broker that was not regulated... Otherwise I don't think you can fake a TE. You have to put your account number, broker and password.. You can check if a broker is legit or not. I still believe a TE is much more reliable than just posts of screenshots tho... There are actual numbers shown... not just screenshots and words saying "another win"..
Sure i suppose it is true. You have to put in your password and so on. From my experience, the best prove is to post a chart where you enter buy/sell, and post the outcome afterward. That is what I do. As for TE, to me it's irrelevant. I want to see the strategy and other tools that trader applies to it. Me, I look at S&D zones, COT reports, fundamentals, trends, draw my own trend lines and S&D zones, and go from there. All tools combined together. Trade safe.
  • #70
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:53am Apr 10, 2020 11:53am
Quoting C-12
Here we go. Found a message from you back in December. I noticed I didn't reply since it was a total nonsense question. Let's be clear here. Anyone who goes round a public forum calling people 'scammers' or blaming people for their own failures is a straight up loser in life. No exception. {image}
Yes, until I realized it was a nonsense theory...

You probably get many messages of people thanking you for your "knowledge" ... just like I did when I thought your thread had something real going on...

I talked with my friend who used to read your thread and told me what I said before. I literally thanked you for your thread... but there was nothing to thank about.. Just like all the people that participate in your thread.

And like I mentioned, I have tried S&D for a long time.. then started making my own way to it.. I found your thread and messaged you to try understand better.. since you "changed" your methor along the years

Again C-12... it is a good thing you are here. Show us how Supply and Demand works in a thread that talks about how Sam Seiden scammed everybody.
  • #71
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:55am Apr 10, 2020 11:55am
Also, the whole TE thing is irrelevant. No-one has to prove anything to anyone but them self. I can tell if you know what you are talking about based on your posts. TE means nothing to me. Because, even a bad trader can have a good TE, but for how long?

This is a logical fallacy. Just because someone doesn't post their TE does not mean they do not know what they are talking about. I agree that credentials are important but I also believe that no one can hold your hand and trade for you. Everyone is different. But the facts are facts, the way markets work are well known by the experts. The way you trade is up to you, but supply in demand is a very real thing that plays a role in every trade-able market.
  • #72
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:56am Apr 10, 2020 11:56am
Quoting GMD
{quote} What do you mean I dont understand what supply and demand is??? I just wrote a lot of different reasons why price fluctuates up and down... But for people like you, supply and demand it is seen in a chart... well.. no... All the information you get.. is Time.. and Price going up and down... Maybe in stocks you get Volume aswell... There is nothing more in a chart. If you want to talk about Supply and demand then we should talk about A LOT of different factors that happens in the world 24/7 (that i mentioned in my post)... Not some random...
Sorry you don't understand what the reasons are for the FTC suing the OTA organisation & it's owners.

Clearly you have anger issues, and so would I, if I had been cornered by a sharp salesman promising all without backing it up.

But as many have said, this is not an easy business, many things to learn, overnight success raerly happens for the majority, if at all.
You have to put a lot of hours in, that goes without saying. Are their shortcuts by paying for knowledge ? Posssibly, possibly not.
You have to do due diligence, you have done yours.... So good luck.
It never gets easier, you just get better
  • #73
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:56am Apr 10, 2020 11:56am
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} Sure i suppose it is true. You have to put in your password and so on. From my experience, the best prove is to post a chart where you enter buy/sell, and post the outcome afterward. That is what I do. As for TE, to me it's irrelevant. I want to see the strategy and other tools that trader applies to it. Me, I look at S&D zones, COT reports, fundamentals, trends, draw my own trend lines and S&D zones, and go from there. All tools combined together. Trade safe.
No.. because there is no PROOF of actually taking a trade... Maybe you missed the entry for some pips... maybe price barely touched SL and then went the direction you wanted.. and still post a screenshot..

Anyways mate.. you don't want to upload TE.. its fine.. Don't really need to. But we are in a thread that talks about Sam Saiden scaming people with supply and demand theory.
  • #74
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:57am Apr 10, 2020 11:57am
Quoting Shabs19
{quote} Sorry you don't understand what the reasons are for the FTC suing the OTA organisation & it's owners. Clearly you have anger issues, and so would I, if I had been cornered by a sharp salesman promising all without backing it up. But as many have said, this is not an easy business, many things to learn, overnight success raerly happens for the majority, if at all. You have to put a lot of hours in, that goes without saying. Are their shortcuts by paying for knowledge ? Posssibly, possibly not. You have to do due diligence, you have done yours.......
I haven't spent a dime on Sam Seiden or any of S&D gurus in here
  • #75
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:58am Apr 10, 2020 11:58am
Quoting viptrading
Also, the whole TE thing is irrelevant. No-one has to prove anything to anyone but them self. I can tell if you know what you are talking about based on your posts. TE means nothing to me. Because, even a bad trader can have a good TE, but for how long? This is a logical fallacy. Just because someone doesn't post their TE does not mean they do not know what they are talking about. I agree that credentials are important but I also believe that no one can hold your hand and trade for you. Everyone is different. But the facts are facts, the way markets...
Sure.. but at least this bad trader has the balls to make it public and not keep on lying on something that doesnt work
  • #76
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:59am Apr 10, 2020 11:59am
Quoting GMD
{quote} Yes, until I realized it was a nonsense theory... You probably get many messages of people thanking you for your "knowledge" ... just like I did when I thought your thread had something real going on... I talked with my friend who used to read your thread and told me what I said before. I literally thanked you for your thread... but there was nothing to thank about.. Just like all the people that participate in your thread. Again C-12... it is a good thing you are here. Show us how Supply and Demand works in a thread that talks about how...
How exactly can anyone here prove this to you? I'm sorry GMD but your request is unrealistic. Even if someone was to post charts on here showing you areas of supply and demand you would not believe it.

In order for you to believe something you have to understand it.
  • #77
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:59am Apr 10, 2020 11:59am
Quoting GMD
{quote} No.. because there is no PROOF of actually taking a trade... Maybe you missed the entry for some pips... maybe price barely touched SL and then went the direction you wanted.. and still post a screenshot.. Anyways mate.. you don't want to upload TE.. its fine.. Don't really need to. But we are in a thread that talks about Sam Saiden scaming people with supply and demand theory.
There is prove. When I take buy/sell i take a pic and share it right away. Usually i am right but sometimes i have a loss. I do share that too, when I'm wrong. Sam Seiden and his company are getting charged with scamming people I agree. Sam did not invent S&D strategy. It was there way before any of us knew about that strategy.
  • #78
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:59am Apr 10, 2020 11:59am
You know what... I am clearly getting heated up by this thread..

I am gonna smoke a cigarete, calm down.. and let other people participate...

Just talk about Sam Saiden and stuff..

All I was trying to say is.. Sam Saiden got away with this for many years without even proving his words..

Bye
  • #79
  • Apr 10, 2020 11:59am Apr 10, 2020 11:59am
Quoting GMD
{quote} Sure.. but at least this bad trader has the balls to make it public and not keep on lying on something that doesnt work
Why would any full time trader post their account on a public forum unless they have something to sell or a major ego that needs attention?

I am totally done with this place. Every time I logon I find myself involved in a cesspool of fail...
  • #80
  • Apr 10, 2020 12:02pm Apr 10, 2020 12:02pm
Quoting GMD
You know what... I am clearly getting heated up by this thread.. I am gonna smoke a cigarete, calm down.. and let other people participate... Just talk about Sam Saiden and stuff.. All I was trying to say is.. Sam Saiden got away with this for many years without even proving his words.. Bye
True. This thread is about how Sam and his company scammed people.
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