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  • #21
  • Oct 28, 2006 6:02pm Oct 28, 2006 6:02pm
Anyone willing to accept fibonacci as a valid tool for trading cannot discard this topic so easily. Fibonacci after all is a mathematical representation of the natural order of things, the golden section of course is shown to exist from sunflowers to the breeding patterns to sheep to the proportions of the human body. You can't accept one theory that spawns from the natural world, and so easily discard any other.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
  • #22
  • Oct 28, 2006 7:03pm Oct 28, 2006 7:03pm
Actually Ladies and Gentlemen.... there is the PSIFX Group that is located in Hawaii that call themselves the TRV Traders Club. TRV stands for Technical Remote Viewing and they boost that they use remote viewing protocols to accurately predict the direction of the FX spot currency markets.

I laughed when I first heard about this unique style of trading. I contacted their exclusive club to find out more about what they do and cannot do. To join, one needs to spend $20,000 in order to be considered part of their club. They refuse to state anything about their trading methods nor records.

I have my doubts since I have not heard of anyone else doing such trading like this. If I knew that they could produce 30-50 pips accurately on a daily basis...using their psychic powers, I will pay their fee to join...I would pay ten times the amount.

Do a google search if you wish to search them out.
"To Be A Successful Forex Trader, You Need A Successful Forex Mentor."
  • #23
  • Oct 28, 2006 7:33pm Oct 28, 2006 7:33pm
Why do you say that? Have you ever put time to study this numerology and astrology stuff to see for yourself if they really have an effect over the markets?

If you will ever take time to study any of the "esoteric" market teachings you may be surprised by the results...


Quoting tunaboy
You've got to be sh*tting me! Is this guy serious about using Numerology or Astrology?

At least traditional technical analysis has some legitimacy to it. Even fibs have a scientific truthfulness to it.

If this guy wants to trade using numerology or astrology though - more power to him. I'll be glad to see him on the opposite side of me on any pair I might be trading. ;-)
-soso
  • #24
  • Oct 28, 2006 9:39pm Oct 28, 2006 9:39pm
Sure, I'm game. Please send me an ISBN by a serious author (no eBooks please) who has examined numerology or astrology, and its affect on the financial markets. I'd be glad to take a look at it.
  • #25
  • Oct 28, 2006 9:55pm Oct 28, 2006 9:55pm
http://www.amazon.com/Investing-Star.../dp/0070689997
http://www.amazon.com/Astro-Cycles-S...312288-3885738

.. anything from Gann, Hurst or Bayer ... there is plenty out there.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
  • #26
  • Oct 28, 2006 10:22pm Oct 28, 2006 10:22pm
Quoting Lou
There is a relationship between the markets and the phases of the moon. Check out the work of Welles Wilder. The moon effects people. As an educator for 30 years, I know that to be so. People make trades.
Lou
After 30+ years of working closely with the public i can assure you that the MOON effects people! And as Lou stated; "People make trades".

Quoting FXopportunist
...If a few individuals choose view the markets through holistic window it does not make them crack pots. It makes them open to possibility. They are open to greater understanding.
FXOp, that was a very politicaly correct way of stating that it's ok to look at the world a bit on the wild side. grin.

OK, there was a post above that got me thinking about a few of the threads over at Akuma's site. There is a software developer that trades the EurUsd by way of these planetary cycles. At times there are reversals within a day of the cycle's indicating such. I find it as interesting as looking at FIBO time retracements, GANN, Murrey Math and the other more predictive "Indicators".

: ) Thom
  • #27
  • Oct 28, 2006 11:21pm Oct 28, 2006 11:21pm
Quoting BeachBum
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But as a technical trader who watches charts and crunches numbers, it is very difficult for me (and no doubt for those like me) to address with any measure of reality or even "common sense" how the Foreign Exchange Currency Markets can truly be influenced by that which exists in some abstract dimension within our universe.



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This is a good example of my point BeachBum. Your statement tells me that you consider all of these thing to be seperate. You also state that the dimension of the universe would have to be affecting the currency markets. I offer to you that you can't think of them as seperate. All things in our understanding have been found to have the same governing rules.

Anyone who studies technical analysis knows that the only way it can help them profit is to find patterns that repeat. This is how we attempt to predict and gain a mathematical probability advantage in our trades. With that being said, why not look at other patterns that repeat in our world that MAY show up in the markets too.

I don't think anyone is saying that if you read the stars just right it is going to say "buy gold at 650 this tuesday". However I would not doubt that there is a corrollation between a certain astrological alignment and aggressive market behavoir. A little nuance like that could easily be as good as an ATX indicator when considering the volatility of a potential new position.

I have watched guys backtest and forward test their MACD, stochastic and RSI combonations relentlessly hoping for just a glimmer of tradeable corrollation. These are truly random formulas. Why not consider some math that has some proven relationships to our known world. It could not possibly be anymore ridiculous than half of the stuff we have all tried to predict the markets with already.
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  • #28
  • Oct 29, 2006 12:26am Oct 29, 2006 12:26am
Quoting TheWicker
Your comment doesn't help anyone.
lol, so this is what I'm doing wrong! Tomorrow I'm buying me a telescopy so I can see the moon better and make a bajillion dollars! no wonder 90% of traders fail, we're all lookin at the computer screen when we should lookin at the stars
  • #29
  • Oct 29, 2006 7:34am Oct 29, 2006 7:34am
Neatly put FXopportunist
I happen to share the same belief about the interconnectness of all things. I also believe that without a mindset that is ready to accept these concepts, that at first may seem weird, there is no way one can have positive results.

Besides the authors that Akuma suggested I'd like to mention anyhing by Jenkins especially The Geometry of Stock Market Profits
-soso
  • #30
  • Oct 29, 2006 7:53am Oct 29, 2006 7:53am
Those who know do not talk.
Those who talk do not know.


-tao te ching

For anyone seriously contemplating research into this area for the express purpose of making money, I would like to direct you to

http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/human_machine.html

aha! Here we have rock hard proof the mind affects the universe instantly and powerfully. As a species, the ruling class has always used this knowledge (the law of attraction, the power of the subconscious) for their benefit while they simply had everything they were doing ridiculed or outlawed. The education system, the mainstream media, they act as the gatekeepers of knowledge. Who is controlling the gatekeepers?

The point is that we have hard scientific evidence of the afterlife, communication with the dead, psychic phenomenon etc etc, and we have a population so conditioned to prejudge that we immediately get into emotional debates whenever this topic is rasied.

Also I would like to encourage those familiar with google to see what quantum physicists have to say about the Law of Attraction. thesecret.tv is an excellent movie that is quite popular actually.

You want to make money with forex? You can do that with a closed mind and TA. You want to make as much money as is possible based on the unlimited qualities of your open mind? Just use that open mind with passion and you are on your way.

Love that tao te ching
I keep a close watch on this chart of mine...
  • #31
  • Oct 29, 2006 9:31am Oct 29, 2006 9:31am
Fun stuff we have here.

While we are on the subject of all things as being interconnected, I highly recommend (there are some personal belief's the author shares on his faith that are in opposition to my Christian faith, but the science he shares as the main topic in the book is sound) a book called "Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton, PHD. Great stuff on how science is now proving in the laboratory that what makes up a person is not so much their DNA but their environment. Environment is defined as what surrounds them (i.e. air, water earth) and what they put into them buy way of food, drink etc...but also what they allow into them via ears and eyes and lastly, but nearly number one in importance, is what one thinks upon and thinks of themselves's. That thought has scientificaly proven to be able to change the body at a cellular level and even DNA.

[ M.I.B. my Bro, long time not see, hope all is well w/u and yours. i like the Ca Ching thingy too ]

Cheers,
Thom
  • #32
  • Edited 12:45pm Oct 29, 2006 10:10am | Edited 12:45pm
Hi, it seems interesting that some people are trading using Astrology, this is acutally the first time to hear about this but it seems sweet, From what i know i think that astrology and mathematics are very closley related, if the egyptiens can build a temple for one of the kings where the sun shines perfectly on the face of his statue one day in the year (his birthday) then there is some astronomy behind this as well as some crazy math, so why couldnt astrology combined with math have some effect on the markets as metioned people trade the markets and astrology affects people. i hate the people who just come in to make cracks about this yet have no clue what astrology actually is and how to use it to thier benifit. We have to be a little more open minded, if we werent we wouldnt have understood that the earth is round, or that there is a force called gravity or any of the facts we know now. Please keep this post updated as i would like to know more about this

EDIT: astrology to astronomy, thanks smjones for catching that, English is not my first lang. so i apologize

G-dogg
Egyptian and proud of it!
  • #33
  • Oct 29, 2006 10:31am Oct 29, 2006 10:31am
You may be referring to astronomy, not astrology...



Quoting g-dogg
Hi, it seems interesting that some people are trading using Astrology, this is acutally the first time to hear about this but it seems sweet, From what i know i think that astrology and mathematics are very closley related, if the egyptiens can build a temple for one of the kings where the sun shines perfectly on the face of his statue one day in the year (his birthday) then there is some astrology behind this as well as some crazy math, so why couldnt astrology combined with math have some effect on the markets as metioned people trad the markets and astrology affects people. i hate the people who just come in to make cracks about this yet have no clue what astrology actually is and how to use it to thier benifit. We have to be a little more open minded, if we werent we wouldnt have understood that the earth is round, or that there is a force called gravity or any of the facts we know now. Please keep this post updated as i would like to know more about this

G-dogg
  • #34
  • Oct 29, 2006 11:26am Oct 29, 2006 11:26am
Ju
Quoting aicccia
lol, so this is what I'm doing wrong! Tomorrow I'm buying me a telescopy so I can see the moon better and make a bajillion dollars! no wonder 90% of traders fail, we're all lookin at the computer screen when we should lookin at the stars
Look what ancient egyptians discovered and made while looking so much at the stars. Don't make so much fun out of things you don't have much knowledge of. Fibonnaci could be considered as one of this methods and every charting package has it and it is one of the most known and used indicator among traders. And lets not start to talk about the effectiveness of this great tool. Just from this fact you should not discard every thought about astrology and similiar methods.
  • #35
  • Oct 29, 2006 11:50am Oct 29, 2006 11:50am
here is a 5 min. chart i used to trade from last Friday eur/usd. it is astro based using cycles from gann, fractals & fib’s.

there was a commit made about trading against other people as if the person on the other side of your trade some how loses and you beat them out of there money. i don’t look at trading that way; i believe that trading is win-win the person on the other side of the trade was achieving there goal as i am. maybe they were closing out a 100 pip trade, maybe they got stopped out and only lost 10 pips not 60 pips, maybe they are a company that converted a bank letter of credit into a bankers acceptance on a 100,000,000. euros or dollars sale that provides good jobs to 100s of people. people trade on different time frames i made a trade based on a 5min chart and someone used a 1hr or 4hr chart that tells them to buy or sell at that point. therefore, trading is truly win-win and i hope they are reaching there goals as i am mine; were not taking anything from someone else by placing trades.

Sorry, on the chart im not good at making the john madden marks w/ a mouse.

ben
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  • #36
  • Oct 29, 2006 7:27pm Oct 29, 2006 7:27pm
"Anyone willing to accept fibonacci as a valid tool for trading cannot discard this topic so easily. Fibonacci after all is a mathematical representation of the natural order of things, the golden section of course is shown to exist from sunflowers to the breeding patterns to sheep to the proportions of the human body. You can't accept one theory that spawns from the natural world, and so easily discard any other."

The reason Fibonacci works is because a large number of people in the market use it, setting their stops, profits, etc. at those levels. If they bought and sold based on every time George Bush mispronounces a word that would work, too...
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  • #37
  • Oct 29, 2006 7:53pm Oct 29, 2006 7:53pm
Quoting dukeofdents
...If they bought and sold based on every time George Bush mispronounces a word that would work, too...
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Hummm. I wonder how many millions were made by those trading every time Clinton wagged his finger stating "I din't Enhale" or "I didn't have whoooooopie with that woman".

  • #38
  • Oct 29, 2006 8:15pm Oct 29, 2006 8:15pm
Actually, that would work, too, if everybody did it. It would be a self-fulfilling prophecy, which is what fibonacci is...
"The time to act is when others show signs of tire." --W.D. Gann
  • #39
  • Oct 29, 2006 8:30pm Oct 29, 2006 8:30pm
Quoting dukeofdents
The reason Fibonacci works is because a large number of people in the market use it, setting their stops, profits, etc. at those levels. If they bought and sold based on every time George Bush mispronounces a word that would work, too...
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... you know I hear that theory so many times but in my opinion it is a load of bullocks ... if it held true, then you should need nothing more than a MACD, RSI at default settings, everyone uses them after all right so they should work using that same logic ... yet they are no better than a 50/50 bet ... still each to their own ..
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
  • #40
  • Oct 29, 2006 10:51pm Oct 29, 2006 10:51pm
A 50/50 bet makes a lot of money using a 3:1 risk/reward...
"The time to act is when others show signs of tire." --W.D. Gann
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