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  • #1,101
  • Mar 24, 2020 12:47am Mar 24, 2020 12:47am
For millions of ordinary Americans the rising stock market from the past ten years of ultra-low interest rates has been the main source for their retirement savings. Now with stock markets worldwide in steep selling over fear of the impact of the coronavirus on the world economy, the selloff could turn very quickly into panic liquidation wiping out savings of millions of Americans. With only 41% of American families with even $1000 in savings against an emergency, the impact could be severe. (c) F. William Engdahl
  • #1,102
  • Mar 24, 2020 3:34am Mar 24, 2020 3:34am
Virus Summary for China:
For those who have not yet understood what is happening.
What China has received over the past three months:
1. China has effectively prepared for a new generation war - biological. They conducted exercises and showed the world a master class and its inefficiency against China.
2. Conducted a census. Fast and efficient.
3. Toughened up the digital dictatorship. Control of social networks and all communications.
4. They created a system for the quick calculation of all social networks of the desired individual: who is in contact with him, with whom he rode in the car, where he was, with whom he communicated.
5. Identified all illegal immigrants and expelled many from the country.
6. In the soft mode expelled many foreigners. They themselves sought to evacuate. The rest were identified and taken under control.
7. The mechanism of massive and sharp blocking of the entire country has been developed.
8. They showed the whole world what China is capable of. Putting 1.5 billion people in full quarantine, putting on all masks is powerful, as well as building a mega hospital in a week.
9. The whole country was taught how to monitor hygiene.
10. A law was passed prohibiting the consumption of wild animals for food, which is the norm for many provinces.
10. Showed the world how dependent it is on China.
11. Frozen production chains around the world, triggering a global crisis.
12. In the police and response services, the use of drones and automated tracking devices is being massively introduced.
13. The creation of mass thermal imaging systems with automatic calculation of given anomalies has been worked out.
14. The algorithms for the operation of video cameras with face recognition due to people wearing masks were upgraded, now the person’s gait is also taken into account in personality recognition.
15. Massively and quickly created systems for the automatic delivery of goods.
16. The electronic concentration camp system has been developed.
17. The protests in Hong Kong ceased and the influence of the Chinese Government grew there.
18. The main thing.
As the world continues to fall into a crisis funnel, China has already come out of it and is ready:
- buy cheaper assets
- help financially weak states, increasing their global influence
- play on lower oil prices

copyright is not mine... don't know the source though...
  • #1,103
  • Mar 24, 2020 7:12am Mar 24, 2020 7:12am
Quoting Igrok
Virus Summary for China: For those who have not yet understood what is happening. What China has received over the past three months: 1. China has effectively prepared for a new generation war - biological. They conducted exercises and showed the world a master class and its inefficiency against China.
Yep but this exercise is not 100% representative for mass biowarfare situation. The agent chosen for it lacks lethality and unprotected skin permeability. But I guess such exercise is useful as pre-dry run. Next exercise must include these missing qualities to be a solid dry run.

Quoting Igrok
China has already come out of it and is ready: - buy cheaper assets
Not sure what assets they want to buy now since raw materials are cheap anyway, and other large real assets are not (yet) for sale such as Boeing, GM etc
  • #1,104
  • Mar 24, 2020 7:22am Mar 24, 2020 7:22am
The FED has said it will buy an unlimited amount of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities. For anyone that knows how currency is created, this means flooding the country and the world with cash in unlimited amounts.

Once the current recessionary/depressionary cycle has run its course, all that money will be out there, with relatively little to spend it on. Get ready for hyperinflation. DJIA to over 100,000.
Sure I have a trading plan. Buy low. Sell high. What's yours?
  • #1,105
  • Mar 24, 2020 7:43am Mar 24, 2020 7:43am
Quoting Igrok
Virus Summary for China: ...
Do you think the winner of the whole crisis will be China?

Somehow I doubt... many countries will now change their supply chains to make them more independent from China. Gold will lose 50% of its value very soon... at least initially... together with Eur, Yuan,... loosing tremendously value against USD. So - question is whether China will survive this downturn financially... and whether they are not forced at some point to sell their Gold to stay solvent.

Of course this will be just an initiate downturn during US deflation phase... afterwards comes hyperinflation in US with heavily falling US dollar and soaring Gold/Silver

I am not an economist... just curious how this plays out... it's a big chess game and interesting to watch. Hopefully with an acceptable end for all parties.
  • #1,106
  • Mar 24, 2020 11:23am Mar 24, 2020 11:23am
Quoting Igrok
Virus Summary for China: For those who have not yet understood what is happening. What China has received over the past three months: 1. China has effectively prepared for a new generation war - biological. They conducted exercises and showed the world a master class and its inefficiency against China. 2. Conducted a census. Fast and efficient. 3. Toughened up the digital dictatorship. Control of social networks and all communications. 4. They created a system for the quick calculation of all social networks of the desired individual: who is in...
sir
gold up
  • #1,107
  • Mar 24, 2020 12:12pm Mar 24, 2020 12:12pm
Quoting Trainman
The FED has said it will buy an unlimited amount of Treasury and mortgage-backed securities. For anyone that knows how currency is created, this means flooding the country and the world with cash in unlimited amounts. Once the current recessionary/depressionary cycle has run its course, all that money will be out there, with relatively little to spend it on. Get ready for hyperinflation. DJIA to over 100,000.
it's not a cure... it's gonna be yet another problem... the whole meaning of the investment system will be lost...
  • #1,108
  • Mar 24, 2020 12:16pm Mar 24, 2020 12:16pm
Quoting ernesto
{quote} Do you think the winner of the whole crisis will be China? Somehow I doubt...
some of the enumerated benefits seem logical and apparent... some are debatable... what's quite obvious though is that under current circumstance countries with authoritarian regimes have huge advantages over the democracies...
  • #1,109
  • Mar 24, 2020 12:35pm Mar 24, 2020 12:35pm
You know what time it is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kO3Rd6U4CjE
  • #1,110
  • Edited 3:38pm Mar 24, 2020 3:27pm | Edited 3:38pm
This philosopher in August

Quoting modalyakin
You need to calm down, a lot of measures have been in place since Lehman, CB will step in and intervene when necessary.

It would be cold in hell before another unmanaged crisis as you mentioned
Just my 2cents {quote}
Your two cents smell a lot.

How's that "Ohhhh duuuuh never be another crisis" ??

LOL.

Trainman was right.
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #1,111
  • Mar 24, 2020 3:30pm Mar 24, 2020 3:30pm
Quoting Unitedgold
{quote} sir

gold up
Not sure what you mean ??

Gold is disgusting manipulation and will be down (long term)...
You can count on this

Have a look. History. Best teacher
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Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #1,112
  • Mar 24, 2020 3:46pm Mar 24, 2020 3:46pm
Quoting Igrok
{quote} yep... here is the chart... I think we might expect the Dow hitting the line... currently it is at around 5400 and descending...

it's gonna be a fourth touch though... thus making it a high probability to get penetrated at least... {image}
Found this.

5400 Dow???

I have to disagree here.
If that happens all pension funds will be bust. Talking a month or five in the future?

They'll never allow it.

They'll buy stocks with the front -loader truck.

9900 Dow will be perfect dip. Logical, thieving, margin calls, classic bank rip off.

Your view guys??

Then I'm out of your hair
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #1,113
  • Mar 24, 2020 3:56pm Mar 24, 2020 3:56pm
just compare those two charts, guys... one is crude oil long time ago and another is Dow right now... can anyone see any similarities?...
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  • #1,114
  • Mar 24, 2020 4:00pm Mar 24, 2020 4:00pm
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} Found this. 5400 Dow??? I have to disagree here. If that happens all pension funds will be bust. Talking a month or five in the future? They'll never allow it. They'll buy stocks with the front -loader truck. 9900 Dow will be perfect dip. Logical, thieving, margin calls, classic bank rip off. Your view guys?? Then I'm out of your hair
with this post of yours you're stepping into the same stuff that you yourself criticized just a few moments ago here:

Quoting Not-KPMG
This philosopher in August {quote} Your two cents smell a lot. How's that "Ohhhh duuuuh never be another crisis" ?? LOL. Trainman was right.
  • #1,115
  • Mar 24, 2020 8:30pm Mar 24, 2020 8:30pm
Quoting p3yd5
{quote} Yep but this exercise is not 100% representative for mass biowarfare situation. The agent chosen for it lacks lethality and unprotected skin permeability. But I guess such exercise is useful as pre-dry run. Next exercise must include these missing qualities to be a solid dry run. {quote} Not sure what assets they want to buy now since raw materials are cheap anyway, and other large real assets are not (yet) for sale such as Boeing, GM etc
oh, they are. In the stock market.
  • #1,116
  • Mar 24, 2020 8:38pm Mar 24, 2020 8:38pm
Quoting Igrok
just compare those two charts, guys... one is crude oil long time ago and another is Dow right now... can anyone see any similarities?... {image} {image}
Price returned to mid trend continuation diamond.

Do you believe this happens due to “untriggered” orders? Market looking for some liquidity?

I have seen it many times, bit never cared to ask your idea about why this happens ...
  • #1,117
  • Mar 24, 2020 9:39pm Mar 24, 2020 9:39pm
Quoting Igrok
just compare those two charts, guys... one is crude oil long time ago and another is Dow right now... can anyone see any similarities?... {image} {image}

what happened to oil after that?

Are you predicting dow moves up from here or goes lower?

Just curious.
  • #1,118
  • Mar 24, 2020 10:45pm Mar 24, 2020 10:45pm
Quoting Igrok
{quote} with this post of yours you're stepping into the same stuff that you yourself criticized just a few moments ago here: {quote}
If you can't answer a simple question you're of little use....

Sorry for bothering you with thinking questions.. ..

You been lamenting this "drop" 8-10 months..... Lucky guess.. .
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #1,119
  • Edited Mar 25, 2020 12:15am Mar 24, 2020 11:43pm | Edited Mar 25, 2020 12:15am
Quoting dagoods
{quote} what happened to oil after that? Are you predicting dow moves up from here or goes lower? Just curious.

whole chart on crude oil... it dropped below the bottom of the initial uptrend... thus it means that Dow will also eventually drop to under 2008-9 levels... possibly after some correction... but there will be no new top... Dow will never recover...
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  • #1,120
  • Mar 25, 2020 12:04am Mar 25, 2020 12:04am
Quoting jupiter_peak
{quote} Price returned to mid trend continuation diamond. Do you believe this happens due to “untriggered” orders? Market looking for some liquidity? I have seen it many times, bit never cared to ask your idea about why this happens ...
I doubt that some orders would remain at those levels for years... it just the natural laws that drive the market... this is the way it works...
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