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  • Mar 19, 2020 5:16am Mar 19, 2020 5:16am
  •  bubincka
  • Joined Nov 2009 | Status: You are what you is | 1,953 Posts
I'd like to share my reflections trading weekly pivots on the last period and and listen to your comments.

Weekly Pivot strategy has worked well for me in the last two years.
In the latest months I suffered big losses making me doubt the strategy in itself.

I've come to the conclusion that the strategy works very well when in the markets there is a "normal" volatility and conditions.

In exceptional periods like this one when there's no mean reversion at all for a prolonged time, when we see 600-700 pips candles on H4 TF for EA and more than 1,000 pips on daily for the same pair, when we have a global average daily volatility calculated on the major 28 pairs amounting to 300 pips the method is suffering big. Even applying EMAs filters I find it risky and dangerous.

All reasonable assumptions based on fundamentals no longer work and markets are driven by other irrational forces we cannot nor foresee neither control.

The 80-20 rule says markets trend about 20% of the time and spends the other 80% grinding through trading ranges, therefore my view is that in times like the one we are living we should stop trading this method or as Davit and others already suggested lowering lot sizes and # of positions reducing activity to the minimum.

As for myself I'll reduce trading weekly pivots to the bare minimum if not abstain totally until a sort of normality will be restored.

Now is the time to pray and think of other values such as one's own health and that of the whole planet, I assure you that I live in Italy the situation is dramatic and constantly worsening.

The world has always managed to overcome these difficulties and I am sure that it will succeed even this time even if the battle promises to be very hard.

Best regards,
Bubincka
Porta itineris dicitur longissima esse
 
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  •  1pipperhour
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Looking at EA. I closed my last short at 1.6844 (which atm was 1100 pips ago). Closed my first positions at 1.6613. In hindsight I let it run too long, should've closed all at 1.6613.
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So EA went 3000 pips higher after I closed my losing trades . Would've my account survived that? No.
Here's what I think about holding trades and accumulating DD.

What is your monthly goal? 10% gain a month, right? Then why are you ready to lose 20%-80% of the, for example, 10K account? If you are ready to lose 20%-80% then your goal should be at least 20%-160%. Is it doable? Yes. Is the risk worth it with 10K account? I don't think so (maybe for some for who 10K is pocket money). Eventually risk taken will get you and your account. If you are aiming 10% gain a month then you should not lose more than 2%-5% of the account a month to preserv your capital.

However volatility in the market is great thing for some, this isn't for this system. As you remember it is designed for slow moving pairs. EA moving 1000 pips in first hours of the trading day is not slow moving. So why try to trade according to the system? If you're not trading according to the system then how are you trading? Turning back to the "hope" trading and trying to gain back what you lost? I urge you to stop and be patient, market will cool down and then we are at it again.

I'm sure that after this crisis we have 10 years of pure joy of trading according to the system and get richer than Bezos
 
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  • Mar 19, 2020 5:56am Mar 19, 2020 5:56am
  •  1pipperhour
  • Joined Jun 2010 | Status: Member | 1,487 Posts
Quoting bubincka
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I'd like to share my reflections trading weekly pivots on the last period and and listen to your comments. Weekly Pivot strategy has worked well for me in the last two years. In the latest months I suffered big losses making me doubt the strategy in itself. I've come to the conclusion that the strategy works very well when in the markets there is a "normal" volatility and conditions. In exceptional periods like this one when there's no mean reversion at all for a prolonged time, when we see 600-700 pips candles on H4 TF for EA and more than 1,000...
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You beat me. My thoughts exactly.
Hang in there buddy. Better times will come.
 
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:00am Mar 19, 2020 7:00am
  •  giveachance
  • | Joined Jun 2013 | Status: Trader by hobby not by profession | 5,979 Posts | Online Now
My thoughts on this system since I know davit for a long time. Davit will never give up to the extend of helping others. this system is still good I would say as some of the levels are obeyed in times like this as well. Lets face it. Except for central banks and robster banks nobody has made money in the last 1 month. System cannot understand the sheer madness with which these crooks are trading. for example in times like these USD/JPY and USD/CHF usually sell off but they are rising due to the 1.5 trillion pumped in the bond market by FED which was a wrong step because they would have intervened and sold dollars instead it went the other way around.

Now only the US Government can bail out these markets. Good luck all
 
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  •  langtoni
  • Joined Apr 2017 | Status: Member | 191 Posts
Trading on pause for the foreseeable. Untradable in my opinion. Unprecedented times folks! Stay safe!
 
 
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:36am Mar 19, 2020 7:36am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Quoting bubincka
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I'd like to share my reflections trading weekly pivots on the last period and and listen to your comments. Weekly Pivot strategy has worked well for me in the last two years. In the latest months I suffered big losses making me doubt the strategy in itself. I've come to the conclusion that the strategy works very well when in the markets there is a "normal" volatility and conditions. In exceptional periods like this one when there's no mean reversion at all for a prolonged time, when we see 600-700 pips candles on H4 TF for EA and more than 1,000...
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Agree with you however some pairs Pivots still respected. Like EC
I was not mentally prepared for this situation and I think lot of people as well.1st market down played it nothing "dangerous" then politicians and market went full tilt hyper panic "dangerous" by then I lost good chunk of the account. Not going to beat myself forgive yourself and learn from it and move on.
Anyone who traded for real has had losses.Trust your skills to get all back and more.
cheers
Trading is much like playing guitar.Once you know the chords its hard unlearning them.Trust that you can still play!
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:40am Mar 19, 2020 7:40am
  •  Davit
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Good morning guys.Feeling lot better.
Noticed whenever UC drops AN goes up.There is correlation I just never actually watched this in play like I do now.That being said 142-140 UC will be roughly 300-400 AN
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:43am Mar 19, 2020 7:43am
  •  Davit
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How unusual is it? Well EA went up 975 in 1 day and dropped even more next
Basically cleared all stops on top and below

Its truly spectacular

Guys who trade with weekly candles would of got slaughtered sort of "top down analyses"
Times like this there is no real "top down analyses"
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:45am Mar 19, 2020 7:45am
  •  giveachance
  • | Joined Jun 2013 | Status: Trader by hobby not by profession | 5,979 Posts | Online Now
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Good morning guys.Feeling lot better. Noticed whenever UC drops AN goes up.There is correlation I just never actually watched this in play like I do now.That being said 142-140 UC will be roughly 300-400 AN
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mind you in times like these interventions will only work. when both aussie and kiwi are going up kiwi usually takes the lead because of its superior AAA rating and sort of reserve currency status
 
 
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  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
EG still good to sell.Anything above 90 is sell zone.This should drop below 90 soon
I just got no more margin... missing lot of great set ups.
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:55am Mar 19, 2020 7:55am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
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{quote} mind you in times like these interventions will only work. when both aussie and kiwi are going up kiwi usually takes the lead because of its superior AAA rating and sort of reserve currency status
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Not true you just need to look at both charts.Always most part been separated over 250pips minimum or more.Will get corrected I am sure of it.

Got most of my margin on UC 44-45 short. At 40 should yield good results.
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  • Mar 19, 2020 7:56am Mar 19, 2020 7:56am
  •  MrAussieFX
  • Joined Jan 2014 | Status: Member | 635 Posts
CADJPY 30 MINUTE DEEP CRAB TYPE 2 BUY ENTRY

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Best regards
 
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  •  Davit
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real danger here is US economy.After massive stock sell off and cheap crude and people basically doing nothing traveling nowhere Hotel food restaurant Travel construction energy and many other sectors will get hit hard that may not be able reopen.
How do you keep paying rent for business without customers for months? Impossible. Sadly we are going to see lot of bankruptcies.
I just hope we come up with vaccine lot quicker or world is real danger as we know it.
Even if you make 500 a week from trading that's still great considering there are no jobs now.Trading now is my only lifeline
Hence if I make 5-6k from UC that would pay lot of bills mortgage etc.No time to dwell on losses that's the past.

I smoked pot last night to relax.Do what you need to calm your nerves you need to get over the fear of losing.
Meditate walk exercise do what works for you its critical you are relaxed.
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  • Mar 19, 2020 8:26am Mar 19, 2020 8:26am
  •  Cryptosurf
  • Joined Feb 2015 | Status: Member | 1,579 Posts | Online Now
Quoting bubincka
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I'd like to share my reflections trading weekly pivots on the last period and and listen to your comments. Weekly Pivot strategy has worked well for me in the last two years. In the latest months I suffered big losses making me doubt the strategy in itself. I've come to the conclusion that the strategy works very well when in the markets there is a "normal" volatility and conditions. In exceptional periods like this one when there's no mean reversion at all for a prolonged time, when we see 600-700 pips candles on H4 TF for EA and more than 1,000...
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These past few weeks have been surreal for sure. Watching the DO has saved me plenty of times and I feel that it is underutilized by many. For me price has to have firm rejection on the right side of the DO. Under if short, over if long.

Looking at the higher TF's. Some pairs are already starting to come back from the stratosphere.

There will be great opportunities available when the dust settles.

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Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
 
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  • Mar 19, 2020 9:05am Mar 19, 2020 9:05am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Closed some AC
Any $ amount is good now.
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  • Mar 19, 2020 9:09am Mar 19, 2020 9:09am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Don't need experts to conclude under these conditions recession is certainty
Same you dont need scientists to say drunken person is likely to fall
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  • Mar 19, 2020 9:16am Mar 19, 2020 9:16am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Stocks pushing higher from latest bottoms weakening the grip of USD
Panic buying of USD has stretched lot of countries to crises.Its not a good thing.Feds I am sure frustrated.They need the dollars on stocks not on USD
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  • Mar 19, 2020 9:23am Mar 19, 2020 9:23am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Can we get UC 42 today? Why not after 1k pip drops in a single day on EN EA anything is possible
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  • Mar 19, 2020 9:45am Mar 19, 2020 9:45am
  •  Davit
  • Joined Feb 2012 | Status: Member | 21,376 Posts
Dow plunged 600points in less then 30min
Wild west
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  • Mar 19, 2020 11:44am Mar 19, 2020 11:44am
  •  voty
  • Joined Sep 2015 | Status: Member | 289 Posts
Opened long GU.
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buying tops / selling bottoms
 
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