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  • #1,161
  • Jan 8, 2020 8:35am Jan 8, 2020 8:35am
Quoting StudentofSoc
{quote} Yes I know hehe, I have been following him for few years. He does appear to be a bit *scamish to his public work. I see through that tho and don't rly pay to much attention to it. I am all about Socrates. I have not paid a cent for anything, it was all shared to me from WEC attendes. The only thing I ever bought was the "How to Trade a Vertical Market" (Dow Jones) which was $700-$750, I felt kinda tricked by that one haha it was mostly political references and history, but it did give a heads-up to where DOW is heading I have not...
everybody can just read these forums about Armstrong and draw his own conclusion

https://armstrongecmscam.blogspot.com/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.5020

Quote from Taro7853

Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion
March 28, 2019, 04:09:44 PM
#5021

Hi, I am a subscriber of Socrates pro level. I am here to warn any of you who are going to use his product so that you don't have to suffer the same fate as me. I have subscribed his Socrates for four months and it has been a disaster. Let me explain why.
1. I tried to contact his team as the system charge me twice!!!. No response!!! I think his support team is the worst ever. I sent them many emails asking questions, try to get my money back, etc but no response.
2. Socrates does not provide a clear buy or sell signal. The manual that they provide does not give me a clue. It does not explain everything. Many of the points and tools are miss out. The manual gives you advice that you should look for everything to align (global market watch, Socrates analysis, forecasting array, reversal etc). I have been using this system for four months now and it never happens.
3. Socrates does not combine everything into a simple buy or sell signal. Instead, you will see the analysis give conflict explanation about the market.
4. Many of you who have been following him on his blog will always see his writing about "Reversal". I have seen many of them "daily reversal", "weekly reversal", "monthly reversal" generate the wrong signal many many times!!! Do not rely on the reversals alone!!!
5. For those who are curious about his private blog that you have to pay about 150 dollars a month to see it. I can tell you that he rarely post about buying or selling. He is not always right. I have seen many of his prediction went wrong and I think that has caused many losses for his subscribers.

If you have any question please feel free to ask.
  • #1,162
  • Jan 8, 2020 8:48am Jan 8, 2020 8:48am
[quote=StudentofSoc;12693240]{quote} Thank you very much Ace, Your absolutely right, its more of a guide than an indicator. I will most certainly make a guide for it, working on it actually. Update is coming soon, the update will have a Panel with "open/high/low/close/% change" information and a Capital Flow Model that writes its own commentary of some kind, kinda tricky.. sitill figuring that one out. I will merge the Capital Flow Model anyway, with our without commentary
You're most welcome. Looking forward to your trading guidelines for Student of Socrates.
  • #1,163
  • Jan 8, 2020 8:49am Jan 8, 2020 8:49am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} everybody can just read this forum about Armstrong and draw his own conclusion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1082909.5020 Quote from Taro7853 Re: Martin Armstrong Discussion March 28, 2019, 04:09:44 PM #5021 Hi, I am a subscriber of Socrates pro level. I am here to warn any of you who are going to use his product so that you don't have to suffer the...
I can understand that it can be hard to interpret ask-socrates. In the beginning it was very hard for me, its not something for the average trader. You really have to study, a lot of work goes in to the spectre of understanding what socrates presents. It is defenetely not a "buy/sell here or there" thing. This is actaully what led me to create "Student of Socrates", because it shows the cycles and buy/sell signals. Example: Lets say your looking at ask-socrates reversal table and there is a bullish reversal in gold standing at the 1610 level, if Student of Socrates which I will refer to as SoS from now on is creating a bearish trap move at this level, then I am confident that a reaction to the downside is likely....you know there are so many scenarios. One really have to be open minded and look at the relevant time frames, things have to line up so to speak...it takes experience. I think traders who struggle with ask-socrates will be happy to use SoS.
  • #1,164
  • Jan 8, 2020 8:50am Jan 8, 2020 8:50am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} no problem Student you are welcome ! you will NEVER earn a cent or in your case a Swedish crown trading Marty's Technical Tools because Marty has none available for the average guy like you and me. Do not forget that Marty in his splendor dealt with central banks , financial institutions, hedge funds etc and limited to 3 attendants for each institutions the participants to his conferences. The ticket price at the time for attending one of his conference was 10.000 $. Now, after he spent 9 years in jail, Marty is a leper in the financial...

So true.
  • #1,165
  • Edited 9:41am Jan 8, 2020 9:12am | Edited 9:41am
Quoting StudentofSoc
{quote} I can understand that it can be hard to interpret ask-socrates. In the beginning it was very hard for me, its not something for the average trader. You really have to study, a lot of work goes in to the spectre of understanding what socrates presents. It is defenetely not a "buy/sell here or there" thing. This is actaully what led me to create "Student of Socrates", because it shows the cycles and buy/sell signals. Example: Lets say your looking at ask-socrates reversal table and there is a bullish reversal in gold standing at the 1610 level,...
Student Student of Socrates is a different thing.

a) you put money on the table to have it coded
b) from what you wrote on this thread I will summarize it as it YOUR interpretation of what Marty has written here and there . Am I right ?

I have no problem with that. And I will look at your charts and how you build them technically and explained them in a detailed way.

But I do not need you or Marty to use 45° or "steep angles" in my trading - I do that since 1998 ! moreover I prefer the (1x1) concept of Gann ( 1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit)

Similarly I do not need you or Marty to use " Channels" (by the way how do you build them ?) I do that since 2006 after having read Jim Hurst's book.

as for the concept of "Trap Move " I need more explanations about how to recognize it and to use it in Trading.

SoS has no relationship with Marty's socrates production and above all Marty's behaviour
  • #1,166
  • Jan 8, 2020 9:17am Jan 8, 2020 9:17am
Hi DiamondMiner,

I hope all is well for you & your family so far in 2020. Again thank you for starting this thread. Hoping more & more will jump onboard. At some point I will find the time to share how I use Gann Square of 9. Although it is not my main way of trading I have found use for the Square of 9 as a secondary way of trading. The Square of 9 offers a small hint at what the next direction of trade may be, but it is not always correct. Correct enough that it has my attention. Want be sharing what the hint is, but its there for those truly observing. After much research over many year it is very apparent Gann never shared all he had discovered. The important things he kept to himself & it all went under with him. One topic he never discussed much was the Square of Nine. That fact alone tells me it was one of his methods that he used & kept parts of its use a secret. I feel there is much more to the Square of 9 than what Gann shared & what is available today.

Now did Gann make much money? Not sure, but there is in print that Gann once made over 253 trades of which 95% were winners. How did he did to this? Not sure, but those trades were supposedly documented by his broker at the time. Now for his son to say Gann never made any money trading....why would he say that? Not sure, but one theory I have is maybe the son know the secrets if any & is trading with those secrets. Possibly the son has other reasons what he would say that & lastly just maybe Gann never made any money in actual trading, I seriously doubt the latter.

Enough of this, but I do believe GAN WAS THE MAN Best wishes to you Diamond Man.
  • #1,167
  • Jan 8, 2020 9:24am Jan 8, 2020 9:24am
All Please Excuse The Type O's & errors. The system would not all me to edit before sending This messaging system leaves a lot to be desired at times, but I'm not perfect either lol.
  • #1,169
  • Jan 9, 2020 10:13am Jan 9, 2020 10:13am
This Thread is about Geometric Trading, anyone wishing to start their own thread with they're agenda, do it. See Post #1 Zero Tolerence for BS.
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You NEVER will be the person you could be, without pressure & discipline
  • #1,170
  • Jan 10, 2020 9:25am Jan 10, 2020 9:25am
Quoting DiamondMiner
This Thread is about Geometric Trading, anyone wishing to start their own thread with they're agenda, do it. See Post #1 Zero Tolerence for BS. P
I was wondering when you would have had enough of that complete nonsense...charts should be simple and easy to read...support/resistance should be easy to determine....add the time element into the equation you are now aware of potential reversal events etc. Here is my very simple day trading chart....cycles determine the time, Gann octaves determine the levels of vibration, weekly pivots provide a roadmap to areas of struggle, and London Open, NY open show areas of challenge on the day, often reversal on the day...combine that with an octave level and you can make some excellent, no stress, no draw down trades....but like anything else the person pulling the trigger has to use discretion like all things in life....anyway, for those who give up trying after reading some of the crap that that is posted, keep working on time and price forecasting, it really can take your trading to another level...
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  • #1,171
  • Jan 10, 2020 10:02am Jan 10, 2020 10:02am
And a good chart should guide the day trader through major news events like Non Farm Payroll this morning...notice how the initial reaction was a spike to a certain fib level, and the reaction was a pull back to a certain fib level, now the reaction to the reaction becomes tradeable... time will tell, the point is the levels established are easy to identify and if the trader uses proper stops and risk management, trading once again becomes fun. Just my two pips on a kind of boring Friday after NFP.
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  • #1,172
  • Jan 10, 2020 10:50am Jan 10, 2020 10:50am
Look at Parisboy charts.....same thing as Im doing with MT4 charts basically...only projected differently...once you understand what is going on you can use these for day trading as well as anything out there because they are simple...(ok they dont look simple but there are once you understand them)....trouble is MT4....I cannot set up the same as the charts he uses (tradingview) Anyway Diamond Miner has done all of the traders out there who want accuracy in their trading, a big favor. Would love to see how others set up their charts....please post them, not for criticism but for observation and thinking out of the box..
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  • #1,173
  • Jan 10, 2020 11:22am Jan 10, 2020 11:22am
TILLMAN FORKS Long Term
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  • #1,174
  • Edited 3:26pm Jan 10, 2020 11:39am | Edited 3:26pm
The average trader does not really understand what is the Fibonacci serie.

The Fibonacci "serie" is by the way a very bad term creating confusion.
What the average trader uses as Fibonacci Serie 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144 etc is ONLY a SPECIFIC CASE of a methodology

Take 2 random numbers (for newbie traders 2 highs or 2 lows or 1 high and 1 low)
add both numbers or values
add the result with the last number of the serie
repeat the same process a dozen times
if you calculate the relationship Result / last number of the serie you get 1,618

Whatever the 2 numbers you use the relationship 1,618 (and whatever relationships are derivated from : 0,618, 2,618, 4,618, 0,382, 0,232) is stable after a dozen of occurrences

The best is to try yourself

Then you can understand why there is a close relationship between Price Action and Fibonacci, between Fibonacci and successive Highs and Lows
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  • #1,175
  • Jan 10, 2020 11:41am Jan 10, 2020 11:41am
TILLMAN FORKS 1 mn
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  • #1,176
  • Jan 10, 2020 12:01pm Jan 10, 2020 12:01pm
Structurally Centered Moving Averages whose relationship between their period is 2, here 16, 32, 64, 128, crosses themselves with Price at the middle of their respective Swings
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  • #1,177
  • Edited Jan 11, 2020 9:15am Jan 10, 2020 12:07pm | Edited Jan 11, 2020 9:15am
Jim Tillman, who was member of the board of the FSC (Fondation for the Study of Cycles) and published a newsletter Cyclitrend used a very simple tool

a) he draws a trendline linking 2 successive "crossings" (Focal Points / Nodes) - here F1 and F2
b) then you draw 2 parallels : starting point the Top and the Bottom of your 2 nd Focal point F2
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  • #1,178
  • Edited Jan 11, 2020 9:17am Jan 10, 2020 12:14pm | Edited Jan 11, 2020 9:17am
The explanation is because Focal Points / Nodes of Centered Moving Averages are structurally located at the MIDDLE of the various Price Sinewaves

Hereunder the chart is particularly obvious and self-explained

but configurations can be more complex mixing bullish and bearish sinewaves

moreover sinewaves can be of different degree, order, nature as already posted
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  • #1,179
  • Jan 10, 2020 12:26pm Jan 10, 2020 12:26pm
Tillman Papers
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  • #1,180
  • Jan 10, 2020 12:55pm Jan 10, 2020 12:55pm
Quoting parisboy
The average trader does not really understand what is the Fibonacci serie. The Fibonacci "serie" is by the way a very bad term creating confusion. What the average trader uses as Fibionacci Serie 1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144 etc is ONLY a SPECIFIC CASE of a methodology Take 2 random numbers (for newbie traders 2 highs or 2 lows or 1 high and 1 low) add both numbers or values add the result with the last number of the serie repeat the same process a dozen times if you calculate the relationship Result / last number of the serie you get 1,618 Whatever...
It sounds incredible! That time MAESTRO LEONARDO had nothing:no electric power, no calculator, no computer, no internet , nothing at all, only his sensational mind!!
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