I want a losing system

Interesting; so what’s the update on that 100% profit-target trade? Keep continuing?

It already passed 100% (so TP20SL20 passed) It peaked 300%+ (SINGLE STRIKE territory) It might go to 500%+ (what we are looking for in SINGLE STRIKE type) but I won't advice it (not saying it wouldn't), since I am done advising in that particular market... Specially, because it might be dangerous for people to enter NOW (at that very high-risk setup)... but if they were be already in, since the time I predicted... they would be close to 300% right this exact time (market close)... so for them it might be much greater sense to maybe wait for 500%+ per this trade Up to them. However I might start new/joined thread for this by mid of NOV.. where we might harvest this... just had to see what market would be best suitable... Would be nice right?

To make like n=5 in a row... TP20SL20s... Which would get us 100USD->about 2.5k USD
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*1.9%5E5 So the question would be, how many of those can happen out of X trials... So are they repeatable enough to pay for missed trials... Or we might trade only high-certain ones...

This is what I would be looking for.. n=5-7... trading "high certainty" ones... So that would mean, if we can make them clean... so only trade precise and almost "not uncertain ones".. they do happen, just maybe not so frequent as traders one (some want like 5 those per day, so they can skip first 2-3 to check the waters and then jump in till n=10+... yeah, if it could be that easy.... Ok so at n=5-7... that would mean at 100USD in... we get get to 2.5k-(almost)9k...
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*1.9%5E5
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*1.9%5E7

MAYBE! there might be 3rd option... higher TPs in a ROW... For example TP25SL20... (500:1, account=position, and stop-out should be 10%)
at TP25SL20.. this would mean...
100USD->4-19k in n=5-7 trades... Nice right
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2.12%5E5

So it all comes down to statitics, combinatorics... to see what type of TP, SL, LEV... would seem best for this 100% (or more) per trade trades... aka burners.
To be continued.. by mid of NOV hopefully... To see which market might be best suitable for this...

BTW... "Holy Grail" of this might be even TP20SL10... at 1:1000 But in BETA testing But check this:
n=5 (5x TP20SL10 at 1:1000)
100USD->17k USD
n=7
100USD->134k USD!!!
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2.8%5E5
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2.8%5E7

Calculated quickly... haven't even double checked, but you get the idea I hope... But it is risky af.. need to be good at a lot of things.. in fact skilled af in quite many.. but the award is worth it..

To others also:
BACK on topic... There are quite some members that give signals... so you would just have to check their past predictions, time-stamped... compared to REALITY, market data in the after-math.. and you might find who is giving correct predictions... and maybe follow or who is giving very bad one and follow-hedge them
Also there are quite some many TEs... where you might HEDGE the really bad ones... And as I stated... Deriving this from pure stat.... They say % of losing traders are quite high.. which might implicate that one might have better chance at winning if one would just (randomly) follow some member and HEDGE his trades

That’s really awesome mate! I really enjoyed your long-detail response!

good summary with more information , thanks for your nice post. great

Tnx If you guys like the 100%+/trade idea, not to mention the "holy grail" of rolling 100USD or 1k to a million or "at least" few k or let's say 100k...
No doubt with many loses/trials along the way.. I would suggest you visit my CHEETAH thread which can be accessible from either Metals forum or Energy... depends which you visit, links here (via EE forum) or here (via MM forum)... As for now, there were few trades posted and also some examples of what it takes to make 100%+/trade... Hopefully we will harvest a lot of absolute money.... Also you can learn there that win-rate (alone) is not that important in the end-game, at that strategy... you will also see the difference of win/lose sequences at same win-rate... So welcome and I hope you can contribute the stat-buildup at least... If you can bring some signals also, that would be awesome...Or in worst case, we will have the "losing system" that others can hedge maybe and become rich...

If you're planning on using a losing system/EA and swap the trades to make it a winner it won't work. As much as I hate listening to these so called "senior" members, they're right on one account, swapping random still gives you random. The system you're looking for generally needs to have an edge but even that's pushing it. The edge I speak of is basically a system that should win but based on the way the trading logic follows you lose every time instead. Those kinds of systems are as rare as finding the "holy grail" system. Most "edges" people have here simply lose due to market efficiency. If you don't know what that is, please look up and read Market Efficiency Hypothesis and get well-versed in it. It explains why even if there is a "holy grail" it won't be for long due to liquidity issues.

As already stated, turning a losing system into a winning one is a lot more complicated than just inserting a <reverse> trade function. You have to understand the underlying basics of what the system is, why it trades the way it does then contrast it with real live market data. You also have to take into account the spread you pay your broker as well as slippage. I've performed reverse trade functions and even inverted the logics of countless EAs and backtested them from as far back to the ages of dinosaurs for me to confirm that this is indeed sadly the case.

in order to my trading experience i think if there is no money management , every trading strategy can be a losing system. so build strong money management and bring good profit.

I think risk management also equally important. Both reduce loses and ensure survival in the market.

Correct, every trading system can be a potentially losing system in the absence of a proper risk management system.

when you have poor money management system , then all trading approach can be useless , so we have to make sure real money management, otherwsie fall a great trouble.

Systems do not lose money. It's the use of a system that lose money. Every system works in a specific situation. That's why patience is important. We have not wait until our system shows the trade. Follow the system. Don't make the system follow you.

Interesting, people are looking for a profitable strategy and you are looking for the opposite.

Scalping is the strategy which is taken by mostly new traders. They use this strategy to make money quickly from the market.

If we talk about technical aspects, every pair has its own reasons to move. Sometimes same strategy works on different pairs but not all the time. But we try to use the same strategy all the time. That's a mistake.

You can both earn and lose money in short period of time with this kind of trading strategy.

in spite of having most powerful analyzing trade knowledge no nway to avoid losses , so we the traders first of all have to take easily this losses.

good idea.. this might actually work..

Finding a consistent losing system is as hard as finding a consistent winning system. I think, consistency is what matters most, not the direction the money go, profitable or losing.

1. Risk more than 50% per trade.
2. Building on rule 1, have no stop loss (could give you negative account balance and margin call)

I can only see someone losing consistently in trading if the risk mgt sucks