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  • #541
  • Oct 19, 2019 7:44pm Oct 19, 2019 7:44pm
Quoting Heelfan23
Here's one on Gbpjpy where I was trying to time at least a near term turn, that is working out pretty well at this point. I thought I had posted the chart, but can't find any records, or saved charts, so obviously I didn't. Anyway had had started to see signs of a possible turn here so I had scaled it out. As you can see Friday we are at exact Price and at exact Time 44 bars each way from the low, and the .625 of the grid level. Absolutely beautiful!!! Now the question is.. will we break this level, and hit the .50 grid level???? There is one thing...
Beautiful move, right into the .50 Price level mentioned, and one day before the .125 Time level. Now the next question is do we see a nice pullback on the possible Time turning point, or does the Price continue to rally possibly to the .375 Price level?? I have marked a possible mid deviation Price level of interest. Mid-deviation levels are quite often areas where we could see Price react, or Turn on a vertical Timing level. By that I mean always keep an eye on mid points of any deviation, both vertically, for Time and horizontally, as a S/R level on Price
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  • #542
  • Edited 8:13pm Oct 19, 2019 7:55pm | Edited 8:13pm
Quoting Heelfan23
The Gbpusd symmetry chart continues to be absolutely beautiful. We were at the same Price and Time area from the high point of the swing at 384 bars each way. If it continues we should see a move into at least the .375 level of the grid. As you can see we've done pretty much an inversion move of the highlighted area, which was expected. The real question is.. will we see a rally like the drop, prior to that swing low and continue the symmetrical movements?? {image}
Very similar scenario on Cable. Although from a Time perspective, this rally started about 5 days early. Still pretty impressive IMO, and we did surpass the .375 level. Similar questions, as far a a continuation, or pullback. I'm favoring a pullback on both pairs personally, and a turn on the 100% Time level. The other part I found interesting is the dates. The huge drop just outside the grid ended on 10-7-16, this leg of the rally started on on 10-8-19. Note: We area at a Mid-deviation level in Price.
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  • #543
  • Oct 19, 2019 8:02pm Oct 19, 2019 8:02pm
Quoting Heelfan23
{quote} Here is an update on this Audusd chart. We nailed the turn here from a Time perspective. Now the question is..will we return to the mean?? Very interesting.. Since we broke below the swing level, I'm also wondering if the .375 level might not be a better target level. Let's continue to monitor.. {image}
Price continues to rally on Audusd, which helps to confirm the turn that was nailed exact from a Time perspective. We are approaching a Mid-deviation area, where we might hesitate. At this point overall I'm expecting to see at least the .7000 area hit
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  • #544
  • Oct 19, 2019 8:49pm Oct 19, 2019 8:49pm
Quoting Heelfan23
Eurusd could be coming into an interesting level {image}
Here we got a turn right at the level. I'll post another chart of the exact same swing, but the grid is set-up differently. This chart is not how I normally do it. I ran the grid across the entire swing and cloned side, meaning the deviations are twice the normal size, from a Time perspective. I have one with the exact same swing, and broken down as I normally would
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  • #545
  • Edited 9:05pm Oct 19, 2019 8:51pm | Edited 9:05pm
Here is the chart of how I normally break down swings. Notice we turned on the .25 Price level, and a Mid-deviation Time level. Also note: we are at exact Price and exact Time from the swing high
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  • #546
  • Oct 19, 2019 9:15pm Oct 19, 2019 9:15pm
If these lows hold, I will probably start to use this chart for longer mid-term swings. The swing is more recent, and the other really isn't very symmetrical overall
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  • #547
  • Oct 20, 2019 4:40am Oct 20, 2019 4:40am
Quoting The1Student
Hi people i want to do a groupbuy of Jenkins latest work anyone interested please send a pm we already got some folks You dont have to send the money to me but we will choose the most reliable member who will buy it.
an old Jenkins interview on Gann
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  • #548
  • Edited 6:54am Oct 20, 2019 4:56am | Edited 6:54am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} an old Jenkins interview on Gann {image}
A lot of good articles to read in Issue #30 of Traders World...
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  • #549
  • Oct 20, 2019 9:56am Oct 20, 2019 9:56am
Back Issues of Traders World Magazine #1-73 https://www.4shared.com/folder/UlHt1X7V/_online.html
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  • #550
  • Oct 20, 2019 11:14am Oct 20, 2019 11:14am
Geometry in the Markets-Bryce Gilmore
http://www.rybn.org/ANTI/ADMXI/docum...of_Markets.pdf
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  • #551
  • Oct 20, 2019 12:17pm Oct 20, 2019 12:17pm
Have any of you ever come across any Jenkins comments specific to forex?
  • #552
  • Edited 3:16pm Oct 20, 2019 1:29pm | Edited 3:16pm
How to Draw Gann Angles and Squares on Charts: footage from MS Jenkins
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  • #553
  • Oct 20, 2019 4:09pm Oct 20, 2019 4:09pm
Two-part post [ this is #1 ]

Using the time that the first swing took from top to bottom, one could have graphically forecasted where the coming turns would be ( assuming they had faith in what they were doing )

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  • #554
  • Oct 20, 2019 4:35pm Oct 20, 2019 4:35pm
#2: Using Unix timestamps (candle close time) and ratios

P1 = 1570006800
L1 = 1570395600
P2 = 1570568400

P1 to L1 = 1570395600/1570006800 = 1.0002476422395113193140309965536 (A)
L1 to P2 = 1570568400/1570395600 = 1.0001100359680070423019524507073 (B)

(B)/(A) = 0.99986242779718412281717613121636 = x
(A)/(B) = 1.0001375911315309298219353549017 = y

Now the magic

1. P2 = 1570568400 [ H4 candle that closed at Wednesday, 9 October 2019 00:00:00 GMT+03.00 ]

2. P2 * y = 1570568400 * 1.0001375911315309298219353549017 = 1570784496.2833027220009492952514
[ H4 candle that closed at Friday, 11 October 2019 12:01:36.283 GMT+03:00 ]

3. 1570784496.2833027220009492952514 * y = 1571000622.2995375832517952945056
[ H4 candle that closed at Monday, 14 October 2019 00:03:42.299 GMT+03:00 ]

4. 1571000622.2995375832517952945056 * y = 1571216778.052795571529309740908
[ H4 candle that closed at Wednesday, 16 October 2019 12:06:18.052 GMT+03:00 ]

5. 1571216778.052795571529309740908 * y = 1571432963.5471682374939016628313
[ H4 candle that closed at Saturday, 19 October 2019 00:09:23.547 GMT+03:00 ]

Now, look at both charts ( graphical and ratio ). Ratio is a tad bit more accurate.
Note when a flagged candle was in-between the time cycle, price moved in same direction till next flagged time at a boundary

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  • #555
  • Oct 20, 2019 5:19pm Oct 20, 2019 5:19pm
Quoting fundiwambao
#2: Using Unix timestamps (candle close time) and ratios P1 = 1570006800 L1 = 1570395600 P2 = 1570568400 P1 to L1 = 1570395600/1570006800 = 1.0002476422395113193140309965536 (A) L1 to P2 = 1570568400/1570395600 = 1.0001100359680070423019524507073 (B) (B)/(A) = 0.99986242779718412281717613121636 = x (A)/(B) = 1.0001375911315309298219353549017 = y Now the magic 1. P2 = 1570568400 [ H4 candle that closed at Wednesday, 9 October 2019 00:00:00 GMT+03.00 ] 2. P2 * y = 1570568400 * 1.0001375911315309298219353549017 = 1570784496.2833027220009492952514 [...
Is this method from jenkins?
  • #556
  • Oct 21, 2019 1:42am Oct 21, 2019 1:42am
Quoting The1Student
{quote} Is this method from jenkins?
No. But inspired by his work(Using time ratios as one would price ratios, using the initial impulses as seeds)
  • #557
  • Oct 21, 2019 2:32am Oct 21, 2019 2:32am
Quoting The1Student
{quote} Is this method from jenkins?
"The primary discovery in all of technical analysis is that 'time' and 'price' are the same manifestation and are interchangeable"

~ Michael S. Jenkins, "Squaring The Range"

As DiamondMiner has said a couple of times: we are also stretching the boundaries, building on MSJ's work, to see possibilities.
  • #558
  • Edited 4:55am Oct 21, 2019 4:30am | Edited 4:55am
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} "The primary discovery in all of technical analysis is that 'time' and 'price' are the same manifestation and are interchangeable" ~ Michael S. Jenkins, "Squaring The Range" As DiamondMiner has said a couple of times: we are also stretching the boundaries, building on MSJ's work, to see possibilities.
Fundi, we are entering into a lot of uncharted ground where there are many unknowns, no boundaries, and only a few rules established as far as I could see. There are several factors involved in our charts. What I am attempting to do is find a common denominator. Because we are dealing with Time and Price one must consider an emotional factor is involved.
As I quote Jenkins: "Because emotionalism can take many forms, we must use the universal measurement of vector directions to balance our time and price axis". Each and everyone of you reading this thread has just as much ability to make discovery in this direction of the field we are in. It doesn't have to come from Gartley, Elliott, Gann, Jenkins, Beck, Pesavento, Cowan, Gilmore, Miner, or anyone else as far as that goes.
Anyhow, who has the time to experiment could make discoveries in Geometric Trading, truly one does not need to be led around by those guys forever, they are the beginning and not an end, as they have established a few known facts and documented them. Certainly, your name could be added to that list.
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  • #559
  • Edited 6:40am Oct 21, 2019 4:50am | Edited 6:40am
Quoting fundiwambao
{quote} "The primary discovery in all of technical analysis is that 'time' and 'price' are the same manifestation and are interchangeable" ~ Michael S. Jenkins, "Squaring The Range" As DiamondMiner has said a couple of times: we are also stretching the boundaries, building on MSJ's work, to see possibilities.
Fundiwambao, it is not because you can place Price on the Vertical Axis and Time on the Horizontal Axis on your screen that Time and Price are the same manifestation and are interchangeable.

Price can go backwards
Time can NEVER go backwards

Hence Time and Price "are not the same manifestation"
Hence Time and Price are not of the same nature, order, degree

You have to dig deeper.
  • #560
  • Oct 21, 2019 9:06am Oct 21, 2019 9:06am
USDJPY 4H chart
VESICA PISCIS
SQUARE OFFSET from AB (blue) and diagonals
for now USDJPY stopped on diagonal
I see that geometry is very good for price and time but I don't know if a stock will stop on ,for example, a side of the square or its diagonal or on circumference....
I need cycles to establish when a movement could end
usdjpy stopped after 11 days from previous low...today 12 and if it will breack yesterday low......
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