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  • #30,481
  • May 15, 2019 9:24am May 15, 2019 9:24am
with out any news why this spike up
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  • #30,482
  • May 15, 2019 9:28am May 15, 2019 9:28am
Quoting asgharhussai
with out any news why this spike up {image}
Picked this up.
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  • #30,483
  • May 15, 2019 10:17am May 15, 2019 10:17am
Greeetings !
How are you guys !?

Sorry for late reply, got busy.

Here we are i will attach 2 report one of yesterday 14/05 and of today 15/05.

Yesterday was a bad day, i let my ego drive myself into deep of market, trade what you see and not what you want never forget this lesson, infact when hope start to push " one more pip and it will broke push foward to the tp " you are in the wrong way.
Never let this happend guys, so here we are i show my bad result also instead of the good one cause we always learn from mistake fail big, for push foward.
The PA yesterday show me many time to get out from my sell, react a lot of time on W61 but i was to silly for accept it and as you can see the result is a bad losses ! (i make more trade cause i was thinking yeah w61 will not hold go for it)

Today 15/05: Stick back to PA, try to follow the previous " wave market " but the W38 reject so bad, than i stick with it follow them and boom that's it ! Back in track with a good profit reducing my previous bad day into small losses.
So far so good, my day is over cause i have to go away from my computer.

Don't be afraid to take or show losses are part of learning curve, don't be afraid to let your idea go down cause ad every great trader say and also Davit say more time " Trading is matter of attention "
Stick with the rule, don't be blind and you will see the light will shine ( ahaha what a poem lol)

Thank you for your time,

Regards till next update !
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  • #30,484
  • May 15, 2019 11:03am May 15, 2019 11:03am
Quoting ppxdf
{quote} ... in my way of thinking, as long as we do not understand the importance of doing the calendar of events all week, since fundamental movements represent so much more than our graphical analyzes...
All true.

But to complicate things now we have "T Variable", that often becomes the missing piece of the puzzle and mess up everything.
Porta itineris dicitur longissima esse
  • #30,485
  • May 15, 2019 11:27am May 15, 2019 11:27am
The Calendar of Events alerts one to market action....for example this little trade provided almost 400.00 profit and there was nothing special about the trade...Cad has been unmovable, hanging around R78 for two, almost 3 days...it should have reacted to Good Green employment reports but instead weakened and just sat there. Today the news was nothing of importance overall, but it was enough when combined with US news to trigger Market Activity, and it was enough to get sellers to get on board for a nice move. I just kept taking .05 positions until I was down -$50.00 with a mental stop of -$ 100.00 if it went that far.....fortunately the sellers took over and it never looked back. My long winded point is Calendar of Events are absolutely crucial for small, safe, manageable entries at key areas....totally eliminating risk..(or keeping it small)

Anyway, my two pips for the day...
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  • #30,486
  • May 15, 2019 1:31pm May 15, 2019 1:31pm
Hi guys
USD dominating everything Yen an exception.Market still nervous about Trade wars and why AUD at 6928 can barely move in 8hrs
Trump totally messed up basically all markets and now creating conflict in Persian Gulf
This is not ideal swing trading environment.Its more USD choking everything unless some breakthrough on China or Feds take drastic action and announce rate cut to bring USD down.
This situation is not good for US economy and for that matter world economy.
Not adding new trades.Nothing looks what it should be doing...normally but this is not normal times.
In trading, you have to be defensive and aggressive at the same time
  • #30,487
  • May 15, 2019 2:17pm May 15, 2019 2:17pm
Still have AC on watch list.Historical low
The reason not touching Gulf crises may surge oil prices thus surge the CAD and also AUD looks like dead horse can't even go up 10pips on USD.
PA does not look promising for bull action here...although mighty tempting....if only AUD showed some life
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  • #30,488
  • May 15, 2019 2:44pm May 15, 2019 2:44pm
Yeah, still have EA short that's got the tight ranging blues and AJ Long that's out of gas with same dilemma. Seems like all this crap started with the Trump-Xi Trade War. We're become the victims.
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  • #30,489
  • May 15, 2019 3:56pm May 15, 2019 3:56pm
Quoting General Lee
audcad has different pivot level. different broker {image} {image}
This is not surprising, because weekly pivots are based on the high, low and close of the previous week.

The high and low can vary a bit from br0ker to br0ker due to spread, but it is the close that can vary markedly because not all br0kers close off the week at the same time, some stop price action five minutes before NY close, others two minutes. Combine this with huge differences in closing spread and you end up with 'widely' varying pivots.

This is why we trade pivot zones rather than defined pivot levels.
  • #30,490
  • May 15, 2019 5:40pm May 15, 2019 5:40pm
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} Here is a good book to read and learn some of the mental strategies of top traders. Top traders know their own strengths and weaknesses, and they know how to cope with their strengths and weaknesses every day. Do your own self evaluation and find your own solutions. {image}
I fully support traders trying to understand and control their behaviours.

However, a lot of these books are based on the flawed 'theory of mind', which only works in the very short term and in an unchanging environment.

The 'theory of mind' is now well and truely being dismantled by findings from neuroscience or rather what they are NOT finding in the brain: evidence of anything supporting the 'theory of mind'.

If you are interested in the details, read: How history gets things wrong by Alex Rosenberg.

Another great book by a neuroscientist AND trader is: The hour between dog and wolf by John Coates.
  • #30,491
  • May 15, 2019 6:27pm May 15, 2019 6:27pm
Quoting ikdenk
{quote} I fully support traders trying to understand and control their behaviours. However, a lot of these books are based on the flawed 'theory of mind', which only works in the very short term and in an unchanging environment. The 'theory of mind' is now well and truely being dismantled by findings from neuroscience or rather what they are NOT finding in the brain: evidence of anything supporting the 'theory of mind'. If you are interested in the details, read: How history gets things wrong by Alex Rosenberg. Another great book by a neuroscientist...

Better idea....how about reading books relating to understanding the forex market instead of books about THINKING about how to trade the market....
  • #30,492
  • May 15, 2019 6:41pm May 15, 2019 6:41pm
I am not at my computer, but open a GA chart and put the pivots on it....it dropped straight from WPP to the 38...this is my point....feel good psychology books dont help me trade the market....understanding the market does. I took a big chunk out of the middle of that run.

Davit, thanks for showing Pivot trading to me!
  • #30,493
  • May 15, 2019 7:28pm May 15, 2019 7:28pm
Quoting milicentfx
I am not at my computer, but open a GA chart and put the pivots on it....it dropped straight from WPP to the 38...this is my point....feel good psychology books dont help me trade the market....understanding the market does. I took a big chunk out of the middle of that run. Davit, thanks for showing Pivot trading to me!
You make a really good point. Focus on the pivots first, then the circumstances that brought price where it is currently. The pivots are key before anything else. You will also discover how well all the indicators made by man work well at pivot points and fail miserably at other levels. Anyway, just a thought.
  • #30,494
  • May 15, 2019 7:43pm May 15, 2019 7:43pm
Quoting ikdenk
{quote} This is not surprising, because weekly pivots are based on the high, low and close of the previous week. The high and low can vary a bit from br0ker to br0ker due to spread, but it is the close that can vary markedly because not all br0kers close off the week at the same time, some stop price action five minutes before NY close, others two minutes. Combine this with huge differences in closing spread and you end up with 'widely' varying pivots. This is why we trade pivot zones rather than defined pivot levels.
Hi ikdenk.

Just a quick note...

Candles only reflect the BID price.The spreads will not have any effect on the pivots, as the the Open, High, Low and Close.....are all BID prices.

Spreads will only affect the ASK price levels.....which aren't reflected in the candles so will not be taken into account when the pivots are calculated.

I hope that helps. Cheers.
  • #30,495
  • May 15, 2019 7:47pm May 15, 2019 7:47pm
Quoting MichaelG
{quote} Hi ikdenk. Just a quick note... Candles only reflect the BID price.The spreads will not have any effect on the pivots, as the the Open, High, Low and Close.....are all BID prices. Spreads will only affect the ASK price levels.....which aren't reflected in the candles so will not be taken into account when the pivots are calculated. I hope that helps. Cheers.

way too over complicated. these are weekly
  • #30,496
  • May 15, 2019 7:56pm May 15, 2019 7:56pm
Quoting milicentfx
{quote} way too over complicated. these are weekly
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean?
  • #30,497
  • May 15, 2019 7:58pm May 15, 2019 7:58pm
Quoting MichaelG
{quote} I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you mean?
i think nevermind....i am thinking of something different than you...appreciate your contribution
  • #30,498
  • May 16, 2019 12:16am May 16, 2019 12:16am
Quoting DiamondMiner
Yeah, still have EA short that's got the tight ranging blues and AJ Long that's out of gas with same dilemma. Seems like all this crap started with the Trump-Xi Trade War. We're become the victims. {image}
Same boat here.
Porta itineris dicitur longissima esse
  • #30,499
  • Edited 2:23am May 16, 2019 1:32am | Edited 2:23am
Quoting bubincka
{quote} Same boat here.
Bubincka, Truly we are tested for the decisions we made and our tolerance because of those decisions. However, we never control the market. Yes still in DD but that's part of the game we play. While I'm testing the market, the market is testing me. Yep, still in it to win it. At least my Bitcoin is doing well currently.
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You NEVER will be the person you could be, without pressure & discipline
  • #30,500
  • May 16, 2019 3:27am May 16, 2019 3:27am
Quoting asgharhussai
with out any news why this spike up {image}
why you short at S area...?
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