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  • #44,661
  • Feb 11, 2019 8:22pm Feb 11, 2019 8:22pm
Quoting bmdenton23
5 trades -34, +1, +45, +20, +1 {image} {image}
I think you would have to be happy with that! Good for you to come back strong after down 34.
  • #44,662
  • Feb 11, 2019 8:24pm Feb 11, 2019 8:24pm
Quoting Mr. Pip
{quote} Well, that depend more on your accuracy and tolerance. I'm happy with the YM because it moves for the most part very nicely. The ES is a much bigger volume instrument and the leverage is grater. We tie up $500 per contract on either, the YM is $5.00 per tick and the ES is $12.50 so you see the ES gives way more bang for your buck but if you are not on your game that can hurt you faster than it can help you.
Thanks for the help
  • #44,663
  • Feb 11, 2019 11:48pm Feb 11, 2019 11:48pm
Hello Mr. Pip.... Just ran across your method a week or two ago and have watched the lessons 1 thru 9, some 2 or 3 times. I'm still working on getting it... lol's.
I am wondering if I'm seeing this correctly, is breaking the HL qualifying the expectation of NSL?
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  • #44,664
  • Feb 12, 2019 12:03am Feb 12, 2019 12:03am
I think I discovered my mistake.... not a proper correction ....
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  • #44,665
  • Feb 12, 2019 3:20am Feb 12, 2019 3:20am
Quoting deachne
@Mr. Pip Mr. Castilla, I was wondering what Futures contract gives a trader the most value. If I am going to get used to only one symbol it may as well be the one that gives the biggest bang for the buck!
Hi deachne

I see that Mr Pip has already replied, but here is a spreadsheet also giving some additional information. I extracted the hourly bars 100 days back for YM, NQ and ES. I then calculated the tick range for each bar per instrument and plotted this in a histogram. Unless I have made any mistakes you can see that the most bang for the buck is in the NQ, followed by ES and then the YM.

As Mr Pip says - it depends on your your accuracy and tolerance. The most money is not necessarily made with the highest volatility instrument - it is the consistent execution of a positive expectancy trading method - and then especially the appropriate money management method (sizing) that makes the difference.

I hope it helps.
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  • #44,666
  • Feb 12, 2019 5:00am Feb 12, 2019 5:00am
Plus 42 yesterday, all simulated.
But too many trades.
My shorts typically out perform my longs, not just yesterday.
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  • #44,667
  • Feb 12, 2019 6:22am Feb 12, 2019 6:22am
Quoting Flyboy1966
I think I discovered my mistake.... not a proper correction .... {image}
Yes, qualify the correction and that will keep you on the right path.
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
  • #44,668
  • Feb 12, 2019 8:05am Feb 12, 2019 8:05am
Today's YM:
Trade 1: Trading the immediate orderflow.
Trade 2: Stopped out at BE, but completed expectation.
Trade 3: Intermediate orderflow. Exited early, need to stick to the trailing on decision candle plan.
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  • #44,669
  • Feb 12, 2019 8:24am Feb 12, 2019 8:24am
Quoting Gak
{quote} Hi deachne I see that Mr Pip has already replied, but here is a spreadsheet also giving some additional information. I extracted the hourly bars 100 days back for YM, NQ and ES. I then calculated the tick range for each bar per instrument and plotted this in a histogram. Unless I have made any mistakes you can see that the most bang for the buck is in the NQ, followed by ES and then the YM. As Mr Pip says - it depends on your your accuracy and tolerance. The most money is not necessarily made with the highest volatility instrument - it is...
Fantastic thank you.
  • #44,670
  • Feb 12, 2019 8:34am Feb 12, 2019 8:34am
I'm trading the ES again for the last three weeks.. today's trade is based on the expectation of a NSH and the AOI is the demand zone (green rectangle) which is confirmed by the liquidity (blue lines on the black chart) and bid/ask imbalance (red circles) on the Jigsaw tools (DOM + auction vista). Stop was just below the demand zone instead of the swing low.
Risk was 11 ticks with a 30 tick reward which is a R:R of 1:2.7

I'm posting this to show how I'm using Damian's method to fit it more to my personality. I hate wide stops so I'm using this way to minimize my loss and maximize my R:R and entry accuracy. I'm still working on exiting ... in today's example I used the 1:1 completion as a profit target. Sometimes I use an opposing supply/demand zone.

If someone is interested more in this way of trading (using real orderflow) I suggest looking up Rocky's thread. I hope this doesn't come off as advertising or being disrespectful to Damian. I just want to help others that have struggled like me to "find their groove" and what better way than to learn from my two favorite teachers Mr.Pip and Rocky.
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  • #44,671
  • Feb 12, 2019 8:55am Feb 12, 2019 8:55am
1x trade today for +15. Exited early on weakness/rotation against, ended up leaving points on the table.
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  • #44,672
  • Feb 12, 2019 4:46pm Feb 12, 2019 4:46pm
Quoting Pair-me-up
{quote} I am still long on my little position trade. So far so good. Be careful with any counter trend trade. {image} {image}
This will be my fourth week holding this positions. And boy it is really helping me to see a few new things that I didn't notice before. First it is teaching me that patience can really pay off. And that having a strong conviction / expectation with the stronger order flow can open up great opportunities on the smaller order flows when you have more confidence that the market will continue strongly in one direction or the other. This will also allow me to have a good understanding where I can take advantage of counter trend trades on the smaller order flow with less worry.
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Luck has no place in trading. Leave that for the poker table.
  • #44,673
  • Feb 13, 2019 7:46am Feb 13, 2019 7:46am
Quoting Pair-me-up
{quote} This will be my fourth week holding this positions. And boy it is really helping me to see a few new things that I didn't notice before. First it is teaching me that patience can really pay off. And that having a strong conviction / expectation with the stronger order flow can open up great opportunities on the smaller order flows when you have more confidence that the market will continue strongly in one direction or the other. This will also allow me to have a good understanding where I can take advantage of counter trend trades on the...
Alright... I decided to finally move my stops closer to the price action as it is getting closer to my take profit.
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Luck has no place in trading. Leave that for the poker table.
  • #44,674
  • Feb 13, 2019 8:43am Feb 13, 2019 8:43am
Probably got a little bit lucky today.
1 trade = +47.

I took the long on the bigger swing, it wasn't a great entry, price eventually went in my favor but the bulls were showing weakness. Price retraced back to my entry and rotated hard in my favor such that my poor entry on the big swing became an excellent entry for the smaller swing. So I moved my stop loss and played the smaller swing. Of course the problem with doing this sort of thing is the fact that i probably wouldn't have done this sort of thing if i had been in a losing position so i don't recommend it though it worked out well for me today.
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  • #44,675
  • Feb 13, 2019 10:00am Feb 13, 2019 10:00am
What do you guys think about this Cypher on GBP/CHF M30 ?
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  • #44,676
  • Feb 13, 2019 11:44am Feb 13, 2019 11:44am
Quoting bmdenton23
Probably got a little bit lucky today. 1 trade = +47. I took the long on the bigger swing, it wasn't a great entry, price eventually went in my favor but the bulls were showing weakness. Price retraced back to my entry and rotated hard in my favor such that my poor entry on the big swing became an excellent entry for the smaller swing. So I moved my stop loss and played the smaller swing. Of course the problem with doing this sort of thing is the fact that i probably wouldn't have done this sort of thing if i had been in a losing position so i don't...
Was not so lucky on YM (first chart). When reviewing the trade, it was a stupid one.

NQ worked much better. Second trade, got taken out by a damm wick. Expected target would have been easily achieved.
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  • #44,677
  • Feb 13, 2019 12:41pm Feb 13, 2019 12:41pm
Quoting evocpr19
{quote} Was not so lucky on YM (first chart). When reviewing the trade, it was a stupid one. NQ worked much better. Second trade, got taken out by a damm wick. Expected target would have been easily achieved. {image} {image}
First NQ trade you added a 3rd pos where everyone else would've been taken out BE. Nice.
  • #44,678
  • Feb 13, 2019 5:27pm Feb 13, 2019 5:27pm
Quoting Pair-me-up
{quote} Alright... I decided to finally move my stops closer to the price action as it is getting closer to my take profit. {image} {image}
Out of my NQ trade at 7007.00
Luck has no place in trading. Leave that for the poker table.
  • #44,679
  • Feb 13, 2019 10:07pm Feb 13, 2019 10:07pm
+41 point on YM today
Not a big day but with 3 wins and 3 loses the PF came out to 2.21
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  • #44,680
  • Feb 14, 2019 7:20am Feb 14, 2019 7:20am
3 trades +20

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