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  • #6,741
  • Edited 10:40am Oct 13, 2018 10:02am | Edited 10:40am
Hello everyone.

I hope you have a great weekend! After stumbling over this thread about a week ago, I signed up on ForexFactory, to participate in this lovely thread. I'm about 4 month into trading now and after making me a picture about the tradingstrategys out there, I'm feeling most attracted to the Supply and Demand approach.

Thanks Akt for starting this Thread.It's a real treasure

And to start with, I've got my View on the AUDUSD. Interestingly I am biased towards the other side as Diddyy.

Weekly
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Daily
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4h
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Thanks everyone.
  • #6,742
  • Oct 13, 2018 10:36am Oct 13, 2018 10:36am
Quoting Diddyy
{quote} Hello AKT, my first question is based on EURAUD that looks similar to the GBPUSD chart.{image}{image}{image}{image}{image} second question on uSDCAD{image}{image} My thoughts on AUDUSD{image}{image}{image}

Hello Diddy

Thank you for the question

I wouldn't personally have shorted the EURUAD at all simply because as you rightly pointed out, the weekly chart is in an uptrend and is still some way off the SZ
I would be looking for buying opportunities on pullbacks.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,743
  • Oct 13, 2018 10:38am Oct 13, 2018 10:38am
Hello everyone

Some thoughts on Gold from a big picture perspective

best wishes
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  • #6,744
  • Oct 13, 2018 10:55am Oct 13, 2018 10:55am
Hello everyone

Bitcoin big picture weekly chart.

best wishes
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,745
  • Oct 13, 2018 11:19am Oct 13, 2018 11:19am
Hey hey,

here my TopDown on Gold starting with the weekly. I'm still learning drawing the zones

Weekly
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4h
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keep it up
  • #6,746
  • Oct 13, 2018 12:06pm Oct 13, 2018 12:06pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone Some thoughts on Gold from a big picture perspective best wishes{image}
My idea:
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  • #6,747
  • Oct 13, 2018 12:08pm Oct 13, 2018 12:08pm
For those who want more aggressive entries on gold: Some nice 15m RBR zones.
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  • #6,748
  • Oct 17, 2018 2:38am Oct 17, 2018 2:38am
please can someone enlighten me more about curve,trend and entry,how to incorporate it with timeframes during s.a.d analysis.thank you
  • #6,749
  • Oct 17, 2018 3:14am Oct 17, 2018 3:14am
Hello Everyone

today my thoughts on EURCAD. I'm thankful to every response.

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I'm not sure on this one. Altough we are closer to weekly demand (not fesh though) I'm more biased on the short side. Maybe I'm wrong here.

I would love to here your opinions at this.

Thanks a lot
  • #6,750
  • Oct 17, 2018 12:37pm Oct 17, 2018 12:37pm
Quoting som3k
Hello Everyone today my thoughts on EURCAD. I'm thankful to every response. Weekly {image} Daily {image} 4h {image} I'm not sure on this one. Altough we are closer to weekly demand (not fesh though) I'm more biased on the short side. Maybe I'm wrong here. I would love to here your opinions at this. Thanks a lot
My view
week: high on a curve
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day: fresh sz inside week sz
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4h: would short from these zones
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  • #6,751
  • Oct 18, 2018 3:24am Oct 18, 2018 3:24am
Hey hey,

thanks for the reply ykn4f I appreciate it. I took your weekly chart and added some notes.

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Anyway, the weekly zone is adding weight to the 4h dbd zone (at least it's a area of selling). Is this a logical assumption? Does this qualify the 4h zone as valid trade according to the rules?

Have a nice day!
  • #6,752
  • Oct 18, 2018 9:49am Oct 18, 2018 9:49am
Quoting som3k
Hey hey, thanks for the reply ykn4f I appreciate it. I took your weekly chart and added some notes. {image} Anyway, the weekly zone is adding weight to the 4h dbd zone (at least it's a area of selling). Is this a logical assumption? Does this qualify the 4h zone as valid trade according to the rules? Have a nice day!
Hello som3k

If i may join in on your discussion with ykn4f regarding the EURCAD....
I have attached some thoughts with regards to your queries on the weekly chart

best wishes
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  • #6,753
  • Oct 18, 2018 9:52am Oct 18, 2018 9:52am
Hello everyone

A short term income trade take today in the AUDUSD, shared with the guys in the room.
The 4hr chart was used as the big picture chart for the trade.
It was in a sideways range. THe 60min was in an uptrend with price into supply. Following the process, we shorted.

before and after

best wishes
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  • #6,754
  • Oct 18, 2018 10:06am Oct 18, 2018 10:06am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello som3k If i may join in on your discussion with ykn4f regarding the EURCAD.... I have attached some thoughts with regards to your queries on the weekly chart best wishes{image}
Hello AKT, just a quick question concerning the EURCAD you posted.
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  • #6,755
  • Oct 18, 2018 10:35am Oct 18, 2018 10:35am
Quoting som3k
Hey hey, thanks for the reply ykn4f I appreciate it. I took your weekly chart and added some notes. {image} Anyway, the weekly zone is adding weight to the 4h dbd zone (at least it's a area of selling). Is this a logical assumption? Does this qualify the 4h zone as valid trade according to the rules? Have a nice day!
Hello som3k, I think it's supply because it inherited that state from supply above
  • #6,756
  • Oct 18, 2018 10:53am Oct 18, 2018 10:53am
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone A short term income trade take today in the AUDUSD, shared with the guys in the room. The 4hr chart was used as the big picture chart for the trade. It was in a sideways range. THe 60min was in an uptrend with price into supply. Following the process, we shorted. before and after best wishes{image}{image}
Hello Akt, nice trade
I have a question about targets, 1st target on your chart is 1h dz(around 0.7124)? and 2nd target is 4h dz(around 0/7111)?
and how you calculate R:R in level on level zones, you take full zone or only high or low to calculate r/r targets?
Thank you
  • #6,757
  • Oct 19, 2018 3:55am Oct 19, 2018 3:55am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello som3k If i may join in on your discussion with ykn4f regarding the EURCAD.... I have attached some thoughts with regards to your queries on the weekly chart best wishes{image}

Quoting ykn4f
{quote} Hello som3k, I think it's supply because it inherited that state from supply above
Thank you! It's one thing reading the thread back. It all makes sence. But when it comes to applying this stuff on my own it's a bit more difficult. I'm feeling a bit insecure.
I am currently reading through the thread and handwriting down the rules in my little book still ways to go.

thank you akt and all other for all the work you put in.

Have a nice one
  • #6,758
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:56am Oct 21, 2018 2:56am
Quoting Diddyy
{quote} Hello AKT, just a quick question concerning the EURCAD you posted.{image}
Hello Diddyy.
Good to hear from you.

Thank you for the question. It is one that is often asked and we have spoke about a bit in the past.
It relates to what in the methodology is considered to be at these price levels we call zones. The methodology assumes there are orders at these levels

So if we stay with that assumption and build on it for a second. If a zone has orders to buy and orders to sell, what will happen when those orders are filled?
Prices will have to leave the level. Now, the direction in which prices leave the level is determined by which side of the supply-demand equation the orders
lean towards more than the other. If there are more buy than sell orders prices will leave to the upside because all the sell orders will be filled. If there are more sell
orders, prices will leave to the downside because all the buy orders will be filled, leaving only sell orders at that price level.

So case in point, The EURCAD chart you asked about the level. Prices departed that zone and dropped making a lower low at the same time. So within the methodology, the assumption is that the only reason prices dropped is because one side of the supply-demand equation became zero, in this case, buy orders were all filled, leaving only sell orders.

Now, stay with me for a little bit longer - there is a second aspect to the question, one i think you have in mind but didn't ask - the question of tradability of a zone which has to do with the quality of a zone. Not every drop on price is a good place to sell and not every rally in price is a good place to buy.
That is why each zone created, demand or supply should be assessed for quality before any trades are considered at the levels

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,759
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:58am Oct 21, 2018 2:58am
Quoting ykn4f
{quote} Hello Akt, nice trade I have a question about targets, 1st target on your chart is 1h dz(around 0.7124)? and 2nd target is 4h dz(around 0/7111)? and how you calculate R:R in level on level zones, you take full zone or only high or low to calculate r/r targets? Thank you
Hello ykn4f

We calculate targets using the zone
There are too many ways and reasons for choosing or deciding on profit targets that would be hard to go through them all here.
Suffice to say, using opposing zones is definitely a good way to start.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,760
  • Oct 21, 2018 11:33am Oct 21, 2018 11:33am
Hello guys, I saw some one wanted to see cryptocharts, so I decided to do some top-down analysis on BTC/USD
My review:
W - price sitting in demand zone created by broke trend line, now we can draw trend line to upside
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big picture
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same picture but a bit zoomed in

D - created demand by broke trend line (numbers is supplys, letters is demands)
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4h - demand in W/D demands
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Comments and corrections appreciated, thank you
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