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  • #141
  • Aug 17, 2018 4:56am Aug 17, 2018 4:56am
Quoting FractalFreak
You are too late, because by now TOO MANY ppl here have understood the SM manipulatiuon. So go to your PUPPET MASTERS and tell them you FAILED, once more! {image} {image}
5 people, all total noobs and veefx (who is a easy victim for fakes) are talking in your thread, so thats you winning? because you provide useless fake and cheats, you fake your trades, you created a fraud what was done so often already.... and you try to attack anyone who exposed your fraud.

you are not a bad character, you look really like the people who lost all their money in trading, all their money of family and fiends and now want start a fraud to do all what you can to get your moeny back and survive, you would even sell your mother if you could... you really write exactly like this kind of total big fraud scammers.

that you dont check that you dont have any arguemnt in your attacking, funny. that you dont check in crushed and desproyed any of your arguments from the facts in minutes, you had after 1 day nothing, all my arguments killed you again and again and expose you scammer and faker!
  • #142
  • Aug 17, 2018 6:07am Aug 17, 2018 6:07am
These are approximate numbers, but 200 lots is around $2000 aud per pip or 20 mio. This amount is my brokers limit and they said no doubling separate trades, 200 lots is the complete maximum for them, of course Im free to go to other brokers and attempt to mirror my trades with, this giving me at least another 200 lots and probably more as IB dont seem so limitation committed.

My burning curiosity when I get to that point will be, will the depth of market for IB for example, be exactly the same as my current brokers DoM which would mean 200 lots is not just my brokers limitation but the entire world forex markets limitation. This confusion I expect to be resolved soon, but I suspect, when I watch my brokers DoM, it is just his liquidity pool and not some centralised order book.
  • #143
  • Aug 17, 2018 6:10am Aug 17, 2018 6:10am
FractalFreak and dukas_trader will you please stop spamming this thread, you are both annoying
  • #144
  • Aug 17, 2018 6:32am Aug 17, 2018 6:32am
The answer to the question posed in this thread, subject to the Depth of Market being exactly the same on every broker, is 200 lots IS the world wide forex market maximum. You definitely would move the market with 200 lots (not that its a big deal but you couldn't go much further than 20 mio)

Thats based on london open, and my brokers DoM, if however they are all different, then that proves Im just looking at a liquidity pool and therefore, a different broker will have different levels of liquidity...but if so...then how in the fuyck does all brokers have coordinated price.
  • #145
  • Aug 17, 2018 6:57am Aug 17, 2018 6:57am
"FractalFreak and dukas_trader will you please stop spamming this thread, you are both annoying"

I am going, bye...



Does 100 lots move the market?

YES, but AGAINST you, this since YOU are not part of the SM Cartel......read my thread...
if dukas_troll insists, why does he then not DO something for a change and place 100 lots in the market?
According to him, this would move the market a few ticks in his direction, so he can then quickly TP.

He would not, because he actually KNOWS that as I have shown EXTENSIVELY day by day,
FX is DRIVEN by the SM Algo manipulation, and NOT by supply and demand.

I think I made that clear by now.

GOODBYE guys, stayb safe and LOVE to all!

FF
www.sme-fx.com
  • #146
  • Aug 17, 2018 7:14am Aug 17, 2018 7:14am
FF I think the point of concern when moving the market in your direction is not to take a profit, but that your entry gets eroded by your own order, costing you a higher entry price, this is not sustainable for most strategies and the point of this thread. Maening if 200 lots is the max, and you want to grow your account, 400 lots then would severely demolish tyour entry price.

Its not about taking a profit with your entry, thats moronic.
  • #147
  • Aug 17, 2018 7:17am Aug 17, 2018 7:17am
...in other words, severe slippage, which is the point of this thread.
  • #148
  • Aug 17, 2018 10:46pm Aug 17, 2018 10:46pm
In a market where trillion(s) are traded each day, my guess is 100 lots or $10,000,000 doesn't have enough power proportionally to move price significantly enough to be considered "move the market." One trillion is 1 followed by 12 zeros...
  • #149
  • Aug 18, 2018 7:53am Aug 18, 2018 7:53am
Quoting Protector
In a market where trillion(s) are traded each day, my guess is 100 lots or $10,000,000 doesn't have enough power proportionally to move price significantly enough to be considered "move the market." One trillion is 1 followed by 12 zeros...
Its counter intuitive. Unfortunately I have only been with one broker that offers a depth of market, so I have no way to compare their data with another broker yet. When watching this brokers depth of market, (eur/usd) even at the busiest times, I see numbers like 8 mio or 5 mio for a second, then re appear. 8 mio is around 80 lots. Try dumping a 400 lot order at once. You will run the price up against yourself. Most of the order would be set 10 12 pips away from the chosen entry price.

10 to 12 pips getting in...10 to 12 pips getting out. That is unsustainable, so a limit is definitely there.

For most people this is a theoretical thread. How much can I compound before my orders are too big to be stealthy and well filled. Thats why Im here, to get some insights about that.
  • #150
  • Aug 18, 2018 11:18am Aug 18, 2018 11:18am
any forex Deca-Millionaires who know what they're talking about can weigh in on this thread?? silence is golden.
  • #151
  • Aug 18, 2018 1:56pm Aug 18, 2018 1:56pm
No, you are not moving market as retail trader using retail broker. Most of your position is even not liquidated in the market.
  • #152
  • Aug 19, 2018 12:00am Aug 19, 2018 12:00am
A retail broker wouldn't hedge a 200 lot order with his liquidity providers? Do you have depth of market with your broker? A broker will just take the opposite side of a large trade with a client that has a solid track record? Sounds like a risky business model to me. Thats what liquidity providers are for, bucketshop or not.

(but yes I know all about trade matching and hedging the balance, but thats not the point)
  • #153
  • Aug 19, 2018 12:18am Aug 19, 2018 12:18am
I dunno if 100 Lots will move the market.. But what causes the real big moves is when there are very few orders... and price has to jump around to get to them.
Like when SNB droped the peg to euro.. and all liquidty was pulled... It wasn't a big seller pushing it down.. It was lack of any buyers.. So price had to fall to find buyers.
The only system that will work is one designed by and for yourself.
  • #154
  • Aug 19, 2018 10:32am Aug 19, 2018 10:32am
100 lots can move even shift the most traded pairs if it is the right time.
  • #155
  • Aug 20, 2018 7:19am Aug 20, 2018 7:19am
Quoting richyRich27
FF I think the point of concern when moving the market in your direction is not to take a profit, but that your entry gets eroded by your own order, costing you a higher entry price, this is not sustainable for most strategies and the point of this thread. Maening if 200 lots is the max, and you want to grow your account, 400 lots then would severely demolish tyour entry price. Its not about taking a profit with your entry, thats moronic.
thats the problem with such noobs and fraud starters and faker slike fractalfreak.

this idiot really things, after big order entering market the price goes opposite way.
funny funny, that exactly thats the roblem with big order, that when you want bring in much amount the price will go in yxour direction and you get many parts of your trade more expansive all the time. its so total simple, but so total unexperienced trader like fractalfreak who dont know any basics, never traded real only demo and big mouth posts, such loser really the misleading other people even with suich total basic easy things.
if it would be so easy, noone would have a problem putting in 1000 lot in any market, i put in 200 lot and price go against me, so put in next 200 lot and so on and get much mich better price like i would like to have. but only in fractalfreaks dream fantasy land, in reall world price goes different and like any math and any order book.

i really hate misleading people like fractalfreak, when they use such easy question to mislead because they are total noobs and only have started fraud thread here to steal people some money.
  • #156
  • Jun 29, 2019 6:30pm Jun 29, 2019 6:30pm
I've read a few threads on lotsize inorder to move the market. I believe that at certain times in a day, 100 lotsize could move the market on an unpopular pair. However, i wanted to ask is this long or short term? Say if you place a trade to buy at 500 lotsize and put the TP +400 pips and the SL -200 pips. People have said that a trade of 500 lotsize (50mln USD/5,000 usd per pip) could move in favour of the position you are buying at, but some have said it can also move against your position. Long term will the market still follow the trend it would have originally, whether it has a huge increase or decrease shorterm; on trades of such sizes, even reaching 2000 or even 1 million lots for a leverage of minimum 1:500.
  • #157
  • Sep 1, 2019 2:04pm Sep 1, 2019 2:04pm
As I trade in Indian market, I have observed a specific pattern followed by traders here:

 

  1. Most of the retail traders don't trade until volume cross over 1 million (for aggressive 500,000 ). For options, they all usually wait till open interest to 1 million to make a straight forward decision.
  2. I personally feel that 100 lots won't make a difference to it. Considering 1 lot = 20/50 shares. 5000 shares doesn't drive the market.

So, don't assume your actions can make a market/share move until you are making an heavy investment (which usually be done by institutions).. even for a penny stock.
Assume that for a very very small stock which has 10000 shares floating in market then if you buy 5000 out of it then you have to find buyers for the same if the price go up. That is risky so institution do it in steps.

As it is straight forward that retailers can't move market alone so I would recommend you to spend time in catching the trend rather than making a trend.

  • #158
  • Sep 1, 2019 7:29pm Sep 1, 2019 7:29pm
Quoting JOATMON
I would be interested in feedback from any of you that has actual experience trading large amounts, whether it was at work or in your personal account. 1. what was lot size (over 99 lots)? 2. what pair? 3. what sessions were active? 4. was volume high, low, medium? 5. how many pips did the market move? In answer to the unasked question... No I am not in a position to be this extravagant. If you are worried about disclosing info. from your personal account just say your buddy at a brokerage shared it with you, or say nothing about the source. Thanks...
Maybe 0.1-0.2 pips, up to 1 pip the book is at least 2000 lots thick (EURUSD).
Be hopeful in a winning position, and fearful in a losing position.
  • #159
  • Aug 4, 2025 4:20pm Aug 4, 2025 4:20pm
Quoting richyRich27
all retail brokers answer to liquidity providers (the banks) your retail leverage puts you right in the king position of the banks. If you have a viable system and therefore use extreme leverage, you are trading at the same level of banks and can and will move the market at 200 lots or more. my system gives me around 100 pips per week and at 200 lots at my leverage level, I can only ever hope to make 200k usd max per week...in no way can I be a billionaire real fast trading eur usd...it world take me decades. ...still its good money, but becoming...
richyRich27 but why are you trading currencies if there are other markets like gold or indices that move much faster? Actually what lot size is moving and effecting the market when you trade gold or Nasdaq? I think you can make way much more in these markets, because you can put way bigger positions in without moving the market too much and getting slippage. I wonder what are you opinions.
#setandforget
  • #160
  • Last Post: Aug 8, 2025 5:23am Aug 8, 2025 5:23am
For illiquid times like 10-20 min before NY close if we take a cross-pair, 100 lot position can definitely move the market at least make an uptick visible on charts. Could make sense for those who needs to manipulate markets (like binary options)
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