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  • #121
  • Aug 16, 2018 7:55am Aug 16, 2018 7:55am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} also not correct, it can only go in the direction of the trade or go nowhere, because you use your volume and reduce so the orderbook amount. the rest would happen without your order anyway, its only important what happen because of your order. its very easy by drawing it on paper. fractalfreak will never ever understand the total basics, i teached him so much already, he has near no bascis learned, only what he needed to do his fraud starting.
Fair enough from the particular trader's perspective. But there are many market participants, aren't there?
So once my order reduces order book on e.g bid side there are other orders placed by other participants which consume ask side of mm liquidity. That's why I wrote that the price can go both ways
  • #122
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:02am Aug 16, 2018 8:02am
so has anyone have ever traded with lot 100 or higher? and with which broker?
  • #123
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:05am Aug 16, 2018 8:05am
"The truth is, that market orders drive the price but always in the way of least liquidity"


No.

Read my thread.

It is all there.

FF

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...6#post11376126
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  • #124
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:06am Aug 16, 2018 8:06am
Quoting split15
so has anyone have ever traded with lot 100 or higher? and with which broker?
Dukascopy claims they do not have any max order size restriction, but honestly my accounr is not so big enough for testing it
  • #125
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:07am Aug 16, 2018 8:07am
"also not correct, it can only go in the direction of the trade or go nowhere, because you use your volume and reduce so the orderbook amount."


That statement is absolutely WRONG.

There is NO CENTRALIZED ORDERBOOK in FX!!!

You do not understand what you are talking about!

STOP spreading misinformation like you do!



"the rest would happen without your order anyway, its only important what happen because of your order. its very easy by drawing it on paper. "

NO. AGAIN you are WRONG.

And again you seem to says all this with BAD INTENTIONS (or is it maybe incompetence?),

Then PLEASE draw it on the paper!


PFUI!
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  • #126
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:08am Aug 16, 2018 8:08am
Quoting FractalFreak
"The truth is, that market orders drive the price but always in the way of least liquidity" No. Read my thread. It is all there. FF https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=11376126#post11376126
Fractal I know your thread, and it makes much sense what your are doing there.
But what I described is very basic fx spot market mechanics.
  • #127
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:10am Aug 16, 2018 8:10am
Ok,

here is what will happen if YOU, me or ANYONE else who is NOT part of the SM CARTEL will place a 100 lot trade in a major FX market:


Soon after, the price will move AGAINST your position, and then will do so until you EITHER:

- close at loss
- get stopped out
- get a margin call

Jesus, I even made a video about that (dukas, where is YOUR video???):

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  • #128
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:11am Aug 16, 2018 8:11am
"Fractal I know your thread, and it makes much sense what your are doing there.
But what I described is very basic fx spot market mechanics."



Yes, but these things are connected of course. It is not that there is the FX market and then an order book with different dynamics.

FF
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  • #129
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:11am Aug 16, 2018 8:11am
Look at what happened to FX Concepts.


THEY placed 100 lots trades, and guess what happened?

Ah?

FF
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  • #130
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:14am Aug 16, 2018 8:14am
"best image for you! run away like always , or post useless facts!"


dukas_TROLL,

the ONLY LIAR here is

YOU!

ALL you can do is talking B.S. in bad English!

SHAME on YOU!

You do not only add 0 value, but negative one, because all you post is nothing but B.S.

As you have ADMITTED, you do NOT EVEN TRADE!

So keep quiet,

CHEAP TALKER

!
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  • #131
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:16am Aug 16, 2018 8:16am
I have delivered

HARD WORK

here,

you

NOTHING
.

You are a NOTHING BURGER!
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  • #132
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:17am Aug 16, 2018 8:17am
Goodbye,

I am AGAIN wasting my PRECIOUS time on you TROLL!


Go and talk your repetitive B.S. again,

at some point the factory will not tolerate it anymore.

FF
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  • #133
  • Aug 16, 2018 8:20am Aug 16, 2018 8:20am
what if, let's say 10 traders enter the trade with lot 100, but 5 of them enter in buy position and other 5 enter the sell position, in which way the trade will go, it will be confusing for market??
  • #134
  • Edited 11:47am Aug 16, 2018 8:45am | Edited 11:47am
Quoting split15
what if, let's say 10 traders enter the trade with lot 100, but 5 of them enter in buy position and other 5 enter the sell position, in which way the trade will go, it will be confusing for market??
Nope it won't confuse the market.
Market is created by market makers, so even though fx spot market is not centralized there is always some sort of order book kept at market maker level. The order book is the thing you will never see. Some brokers like Oanda present order book but it's only limited to show client orders and positions and not Oanda's full internal order book.
Market makers provide liquidity through limit orders. So all positions from your question will be fulfilled but price will go in the way where is the least liquidity provided by market maker. Lack of liquidity is the reason for slippage as well as for price move.

One more thing, buyer's and seller's orders won't be paired together due to spread existence. It's the case in stock market but it's not possible in fx spot market where market orders are fulfilled by MM limit orders and not by pairing market participant's orders.
It's bit more complicated because there are further things like last look order books, b and a books on broker's side etc. but apart from that the basics applies anyway.
  • #135
  • Aug 16, 2018 1:05pm Aug 16, 2018 1:05pm
as far as I can tell, both sides are superfluous.

A DoM is only relevant to the brokers liquidity pool NOT to the greater world forex market...SO HOW CAN THE WORLD FOREX PRICE of for example eur/usd have coordinated pricing minute by minute. When IB has different liquidity providers to say...Pepperstone or FXopen all behaving differently from each other. Perhaps FF can chime in with his conspiracy theories.

Im about to become THA WHIRRLEDS FURST Trillionaire boys and ah needs some light
  • #136
  • Aug 16, 2018 3:03pm Aug 16, 2018 3:03pm
Quoting FractalFreak
"also not correct, it can only go in the direction of the trade or go nowhere, because you use your volume and reduce so the orderbook amount." That statement is absolutely WRONG. There is NO CENTRALIZED ORDERBOOK in FX!!! You do not understand what you are talking about! STOP spreading misinformation like you do! "the rest would happen without your order anyway, its only important what happen because of your order. its very easy by drawing it on paper. " NO. AGAIN you are WRONG. And again you seem to says all this with BAD INTENTIONS (or is it...
now you got it baby!
thatswhy my answer is correct.

you are new in trading, have no real trading experience, are only demo trader with losses, so you know nothing.

lets real trader speak about such topics!

and funny, excatly because of your reason, all your basic in your fraud thread where you tried cheat people and scam for money and was exposed very fast, exactly there you speak you have the otc orderbook from all brokers..... you little cheater, and not only this, you also know where all stop order are situated, and your fraud was to sell this cheated indicator to idiots....

oh boy, you are really the last loser of the shame list! exposed, desproyed but you try and try to not look like an idiot, so you can sell maybe later to the last 5 extrem idiots in your thread.
  • #137
  • Aug 17, 2018 1:34am Aug 17, 2018 1:34am
The ONLY

SCAMMER
CHEATER
FRAUDSTER
LIAR
WANNABE

is

YOU, no one else.


I will NEVER EVER SCAM or CHEAT ANYONE WHATSOEVER, I am not like you BROKER TROLL! I NEVER sold ANYTHING here and you well know it! I NEVER EARNED ANYTHING HERE, go and READ page 1 of my thread where all details were given from the start!


THAT is why I invested all that effort into providing UNIQUE KNOWLEDGE for FREE,

this WHILE YOU CONTINUE to try to stop EVERYTHING I have EXPOSED,

because that is what your PUPPET MASTERS demand from you, so you can collect your cheque from the retail brokers.

YOU ARE A TRUE CHEATER!


And rest assured;

despite you BREACH the CoC here, you are ALSO exposing yourself to various legal liabilities by doing these accusations.

This is a reminder.

FF
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  • #138
  • Aug 17, 2018 1:38am Aug 17, 2018 1:38am
You are too late,

because by now

TOO MANY

ppl here have understood the SM manipulatiuon.

So go to your PUPPET MASTERS and tell them you FAILED, once more!
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  • #139
  • Aug 17, 2018 1:39am Aug 17, 2018 1:39am
YOU,

the BAD GUYS,

will LOSE,

you finally FOUND YOUR MATCH!

YOUR SCAM is OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee!!!!!!!!

Find sth. else that pays your bills, because the brokers won't do it anymore:
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  • #140
  • Aug 17, 2018 1:41am Aug 17, 2018 1:41am
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