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  • #6,841
  • Jul 15, 2018 1:04am Jul 15, 2018 1:04am
Quoting Tradingwithw
{quote} Much love billytt, you've always been an encouraging voice in my endeavour thank you!
your welcome, decent people should be encouraged.
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,842
  • Jul 15, 2018 1:15am Jul 15, 2018 1:15am
Quoting ThreeHalf
Few facts about FF: 1. FF has many commercial people who are trying to pull a fast one 2. The vigilantes in this thread prefer to err on the side of caution (which is not something bad) 3. Dukas_trader needs English lessons but first, he needs to calm himself down least he gets a cardiac arrest. Now I await for him to call me a "faker" and his tirade.
Dukas writes better English than my written German lol. But we understand what he means.
trade well.
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,843
  • Jul 15, 2018 1:28am Jul 15, 2018 1:28am
Quoting billytt
{quote} Dukas writes better English than my written German lol. But we understand what he means. trade well.
True, but he needs to calm down lol. It's the weekend after all.
  • #6,844
  • Jul 15, 2018 1:35am Jul 15, 2018 1:35am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} True, but he needs to calm down lol. It's the weekend after all.
i agree, maybe he is hyper active....
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,845
  • Jul 15, 2018 1:38am Jul 15, 2018 1:38am
Quoting billytt
{quote} i agree, maybe he is hyper active....
Can someone quote me the rules of the trading competition he posted? I'm bored and don't mind having a challenge..just for fun.

Although I'm sure he will now proceed to launch a tirade against me and claim that I'm a faker/liar/cheater trying to defend Fractal or something.
  • #6,846
  • Edited 2:15am Jul 15, 2018 1:55am | Edited 2:15am
Dear Dukas_trader,

On a purely fun/goodwill-basis, I would like to challenge/accept your trading challenge.

The rules would be as per what you desired:
1. Real account.
2. You do not have to "write" about any trades, trade explorers will do the talking.
3. You may trade any currencies your heart desire, metals, commodities, oil, indices, crytocurrencies, anything.
4. We will use the TE here, but to avoid any nonsense about copying each other's trades, you may choose to set it to private. I only need you to declare your last 2 digits of your account. Mine's 70.
5. Competition begins as soon as market re-opens. I will not use a fresh account, I will just compete based on this particular account that I am using (which actually is meant for something else, but never mind about that). Current balance as reflected by FF TE is SGD 1,322 (although it is actually SGD 1321.76).
6. For clarification sake, my account will see some "misc transfers". This is due to me being on "Active Traders' Program" and enjoying rebates per lot. Current Misc Transfers is at $7.41. You may deduct this accordingly if you wish.
7. My account is not swap-free. Swap or negative swap would be considered part of our returns.
8. Competition ends on 31st July. All positions to be closed at 05:00, 01/08/2018, +8 GMT (ie. US session ends).

I await your reply.

PS: Allow me to reiterate. I am not defending FractalFreak. This challenge is purely for fun.

EDIT: Obvious fact is obvious, but I think it has to be stated regardless. The winner will be the one with the higher percentage gain. I'm currently living in Singapore so using SGD, which is weaker than the Euro, so I don't want any confusion about this whatsoever. Purely percentage gain. If you want to add in other things like drawdown etc, feel free to go ahead and suggest. But for simplicity sake, let's just keep it as percentage gain, unless you have a very compelling argument, then proceed.
  • #6,847
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:08am Jul 15, 2018 3:08am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} True, but he needs to calm down lol. It's the weekend after all.
WHY? who are you ? to say what Dukas should or should not say?

ENGLISH isnt the primary language of many. i applaud those like Dukas who write in a second language.

Threehalf I have a great idea just post up some live vids like @kenshin did....instead of blowing smoke out your ass
and puffing your pecs out.

What does a trading competition prove? Nothing. And if you dont understand that ..then im sorry but
this is not The Robbins cup hahaha.

Such a joke... pissing contests that are absolutely meaningless.

But hey if you need to swing your little dick ..grow some balls and post up some live vids of your trading account and trades.
Master your Mind,,,Master the Market
  • #6,848
  • Edited 3:28am Jul 15, 2018 3:16am | Edited 3:28am
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} WHY? who are you ? to say what Dukas should or should not say? ENGLISH isnt the primary language of many. i applaud those like Dukas who write in a second language. Threehalf I have a great idea just post up some live vids like @kenshin did....instead of blowing smoke out your ass and puffing your pecs out. What does a trading competition prove? Nothing. And if you dont understand that ..then im sorry but this is not The Robbins cup hahaha. Such a joke... pissing contests that are absolutely meaningless. But hey if you need to swing your...
When I said he should calm down, it's for his own good.

Dukas literally said videos and posts are pointless. Here's what he said:
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i accepted his challenge: - i only changed his cheating rules, because he tried even in his challenge to cheat - i wanted real account not demo account, so i dont have time to lose and i dont want that cheating trading is possible (in demo acvcount you can do any cheating strategy you want and win with it....) - i want trade any currency i like, not a given number of it as minimum or maximum - i wanted concentrade to trading, not writing about the trades before thats what i wanted against the cheating "no trading" rules of fractalfreak, and ask any trader, anyone tell that fratcalfreak rules are no contest (maybe a contest for cheating, but not for trading: because fractalfreak is only a cheater or total unexperienced he dont know of course). but what happend: after i did chagge the rules to real contest rules fractalfreak did run away and wrote for his stupid followers (looks like you are one of them who was to stupid top read what really happened), that all did not like to attend in his fake contest .... ( even other did the contest with him and won against him, this he did not even mentioned, i think i t was billytt (when i remember correct)!) i even did tell him, we can compare our history, so he can show very fast and easy how good is was a trader in last years.... he told in thread all the time horrido and extrem big wins, but has nothing to compare and show because he only faked any win??? funny funny!!! think about it, and learn to check the real things and not believe any shit before you rechecked it. Ross8 did make same bullshit mistakes like you, believing an idiot and used his arguments later is stupid, because he had no arguments because to much was faked.

I'm just playing by his rules. I'm a nobody. But if you need to come up with so many excuses to avoid dueling a nobody then..

Also, I already mentioned, it is for fun, so why so agitated?

PS: And who are you to decide for Dukas? He is a grown man, he can make his own decisions.
  • #6,849
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:27am Jul 15, 2018 3:27am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} Can someone quote me the rules of the trading competition he posted? I'm bored and don't mind having a challenge..just for fun. Although I'm sure he will now proceed to launch a tirade against me and claim that I'm a faker/liar/cheater trying to defend Fractal or something.
i am sure he wont lol,
FF posted a challenge but he barred lots of people from entering it.
Dukas challenged FF to a competition using real money ( not demo) but the challenge was not accepted.
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,850
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:30am Jul 15, 2018 3:30am
Quoting billytt
{quote} i am sure he wont lol, FF posted a challenge but he barred lots of people from entering it. Dukas challenged FF to a competition using real money ( not demo) but the challenge was not accepted.
So I am here to accept Dukas' challenge. My TE shows a real account, so no monkey business. I remember Dukas citing for 1,000 real money, which is what my account has as well. Now we wait for Dukas, anything in between before he shows up is just idle chit-chat.

Once the terms are confirmed, we can discuss about the stakes..
  • #6,851
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:33am Jul 15, 2018 3:33am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} When I said he should calm down, it's for his own good. Dukas literally said videos and posts are pointless. Here's what he said: {quote} I'm just playing by his rules. I'm a nobody. But if you need to come up with so many excuses to avoid dueling a nobody then.. Also, I already mentioned, it is for fun, so why so agitated? PS: And who are you to decide for Dukas? He is a grown man, he can make his own decisions.
Like Dukas said, most of these videos/eas are just sh*t and are posted by people working for the brokers for new traders money.
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,852
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:34am Jul 15, 2018 3:34am
Quoting billytt
{quote} Like Dukas said, most of these videos/eas are just sh*t and are posted by people working for the brokers for new traders money.
Exactly, then we have one of his white knights rushing out to defend him, but alas, that fool don't even know what his master wants/hates.
  • #6,853
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:37am Jul 15, 2018 3:37am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} Exactly, then we have one of his white knights rushing out to defend him, but alas, that fool don't even know what his master wants/hates.
don't be rude.
Are you a pro or retail, do you work for a broker.
If you are a pro are regulated with an ib agreement.
just asking.........
we do not actually need competitions though, just help each other
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,854
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:39am Jul 15, 2018 3:39am
Quoting billytt
{quote} don't be rude. Are you a pro or retail, do you work for a broker. If you are a pro are regulated with an ib agreement. just asking......... we do not actually need competitions though, just help each other
I came in and made polite posts. He was the one who was rude and offensive and started this. Nonetheless, I'm more than happy to let it slide.

I'm just a retail trader, that's all. A nobody. As I said before, I'm just myself, a retail trader. I noticed that there was mention of a trading contest, so I thought that would be fun. The terms outlined by Dukas are terms I am more than happy to comply with, so it's now just up to him. Of course he can say that I'm a nobody so unworthy to challenge him; but on the flip side, I could say he is afraid to battle even a nobody.
  • #6,855
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:41am Jul 15, 2018 3:41am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} I came in and made polite posts. He was the one who was rude and offensive and started this. Nonetheless, I'm more than happy to let it slide. I'm just a retail trader, that's all. A nobody. As I said before, I'm just myself, a retail trader. I noticed that there was mention of a trading contest, so I thought that would be fun. The terms outlined by Dukas are terms I am more than happy to comply with, so it's now just up to him. Of course he can say that I'm a nobody so unworthy to challenge him; but on the flip side, I could say...
ok, no prob and sorry too for getting in your face.
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #6,856
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:44am Jul 15, 2018 3:44am
Quoting billytt
{quote} ok, no prob and sorry too for getting in your face.
No worries mate...all's good..
  • #6,857
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:48am Jul 15, 2018 3:48am
Quoting ThreeHalf
{quote} I came in and made polite posts. He was the one who was rude and offensive and started this. Nonetheless, I'm more than happy to let it slide. I'm just a retail trader, that's all. A nobody. As I said before, I'm just myself, a retail trader. I noticed that there was mention of a trading contest, so I thought that would be fun. The terms outlined by Dukas are terms I am more than happy to comply with, so it's now just up to him. Of course he can say that I'm a nobody so unworthy to challenge him; but on the flip side, I could say...
the
"contest"

Dukas gave terms to a HFM ( supposedly) so not to waste trading time for screenshot calls.
The proposal - if i recall correctly- was for a 6 digit ( not in cents) account, what -again, if recall correctly- both should be able to afford if they are what they call themselves.

where would your 1k account factor in, i am not sure.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #6,858
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:52am Jul 15, 2018 3:52am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} the "contest" Dukas gave terms to a HFM ( supposedly) so not to waste trading time for screenshot calls. The proposal - if i recall correctly- was for a 6 digit ( not in cents) account, what -again, if recall correctly- both should be able to afford if they are what they call themselves. where would your 1k account factor in, i am not sure.
I remember reading that Dukas said he wanted a real account so he can be sure there's no hanky panky. The amount doesn't matter as much. But I could be wrong, someone link us to the post of Dukas' rules for the contest. Much appreciated, I can't seem to find it and I'm on mobile which makes it even worse.

PS: What's HFM?
  • #6,859
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:56am Jul 15, 2018 3:56am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i accepted his challenge: - i only changed his cheating rules, because he tried even in his challenge to cheat - i wanted real account not demo account, so i dont have time to lose and i dont want that cheating trading is possible (in demo acvcount you can do any cheating strategy you want and win with it....) - i want trade any currency i like, not a given number of it as minimum or maximum - i wanted concentrade to trading, not writing about the trades before thats what i wanted against the cheating...
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} near all. demo account is commercial for a broker. he want you win there because only then you open a live account, so you get any advantage whats possible. you can win with strategies in demo that would not even win any cent in a real account and you invest then many many time in developing this strategy in demo account and lose all this time. and time is most important value in the world, nothing other has more worth. i have seen people losing years with this bullshit by using a demo account.
What Dukas said.
  • #6,860
  • Jul 15, 2018 3:58am Jul 15, 2018 3:58am
For the record, my video has not been modified or 'faked' in any way and shows pretty much everything related to the account except the actual trades and the ea I use. Not sure it's actually possible to fake everything shown here:
Inserted Video

I'm always prepared to be incorrect though, so if anyone would like to demonstrate the same thing, but faked, then please do so.
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