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  • #1,721
  • Jul 9, 2018 4:57pm Jul 9, 2018 4:57pm
Quoting stefdek
{quote} Hello Fx2 , this is by far the best results I have seen with one of Xbest little brothers . Very high gain with relatively low dd ...ok ... Only 2 pairs. EURGBP and USDJPY . Fx2 can you share EURGBP and USDJPY settings ??? I will mention your name and drop the EA and settings on 1rst page of the thread. Thank you. {image} PS : Any other myfxbook older than one month welcome.
I do believe fx2 said that he was running the stock settings.
Ive been running xbest 3.47 with very similar results too and running three pairs. As of today I am running 4 pairs with a 5000 account.
  • #1,722
  • Jul 9, 2018 5:39pm Jul 9, 2018 5:39pm
Quoting luaciego
{quote} I do believe fx2 said that he was running the stock settings. Ive been running xbest 3.47 with very similar results too and running three pairs. As of today I am running 4 pairs with a 5000 account.
Ok. Great to know. Although I could not find any myfxbook report...

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If Myfxbk is great ..I may include your results in fisrt page of this thread...along with settings ...
  • #1,723
  • Jul 10, 2018 6:25am Jul 10, 2018 6:25am
finally x3.47 collapse
  • #1,724
  • Jul 10, 2018 6:27am Jul 10, 2018 6:27am
bloodbath real account wiped
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  • #1,725
  • Jul 10, 2018 6:49am Jul 10, 2018 6:49am
Usd jpy destroyed It ?
  • #1,726
  • Jul 10, 2018 8:56am Jul 10, 2018 8:56am
Quoting stefdek
{quote} Ok. Great to know. Although I could not find any myfxbook report... {image} If Myfxbk is great ..I may include your results in fisrt page of this thread...along with settings ...
SOrry ive been having the hardest time setting up myfxbk
  • #1,727
  • Jul 10, 2018 10:28am Jul 10, 2018 10:28am
Quoting luaciego
Usd jpy destroyed It ?
IMO,

Any Grid EA with Martingale or any method never works due to Drawdowns. The Grid strategy is mathematically flawed because it assumes a lot of risk by accumulating risk and hoping for the best . Its the management of risk that makes you money in trading. There have been a million types of GRID EAs but all of them suffers from same problem ( RISK or DRAWDOWNS ) which usually blows up your account .

If DRAWDOWNS can be solved then you can actually trade the GRID profitably .
  • #1,728
  • Jul 10, 2018 10:44am Jul 10, 2018 10:44am
I think the only way to be profitable using a grid or martingale strategy is to find one that doubles account more often than it causes it to margin call and take prfits regularly. I'm toying with the idea of putting it on a $10k account with 4 pairs and close all equity protection at 20% drawdown. I'm my tests i have doubled a $1k account 4 times, with 2 margin calls so theoretically made $2k in 6 weeks. I'll test the $10k strategy and keep everyone posted
  • #1,729
  • Jul 10, 2018 10:44am Jul 10, 2018 10:44am
Quoting rodolfolm
{quote} ... {file} {file} {file}
Hi rudolpho,

you can please post all mqh files need for R3PTAR_MindStorms_v1.4
  • #1,730
  • Jul 10, 2018 10:46am Jul 10, 2018 10:46am
Yes correct every Grid Ea suffer of DD huge in some situation, but if the coder include in Ea a different mode for open trade and also fixed an equity cut loss in % then they are problems that can be solved... For example Xbest EA have only a setting of EMA for decide when open the trade and it's not enought obviously!...But if the EA open a position using key level for example level min. and max. or pivot and open position at breakout or pullback with a good criteria , therefore the entrance is more accurate , i am not a coder but i think the people programming EA can do something different for filtered better the GRID ...
  • #1,731
  • Edited 11:47am Jul 10, 2018 11:21am | Edited 11:47am
Quoting mike74
Yes correct every Grid Ea suffer of DD huge in some situation, but if the coder include in Ea a different mode for open trade and also fixed an equity cut loss in % then they are problems that can be solved... For example Xbest EA have only a setting of EMA for decide when open the trade and it's not enought obviously!...But if the EA open a position using key level for example level min. and max. or pivot and open position at breakout or pullback with a good criteria , therefore the entrance is more accurate , i am not a coder but i think the people...
@Mike,

IMO
In trading whether using an EA , Manual Strategy or whatever it might be . It does matter if the mathematics behind it is flawed, Doubling your risk and hoping that you are going to recover your losses is a flawed assumption. if you have an infinite account of Billions of Dollars then probably you might be able to work out a way to average your trades out with a small loss. But most of us have small to medium accounts i.e US$ 1000 to 500,000 . I have never seen a GRID for the past 10 years that does not blow up an account even with filtering to reduce Drawdowns.

Also note mathematically , The GRID profits are always equal or less than the DRAWDOWN at any moment .
  • #1,732
  • Jul 10, 2018 11:31am Jul 10, 2018 11:31am
Quoting networkgr4
{quote} Any help ?
quick question guys : i am testing xBest v3.48 but all trades are being closed after just 1 Pip . How do i increase that to 2 or 3 pips or ideally 4 pips. Anything less than 4 pips you won't be able to trade on regulated brokers in US and Canada. What settings do i have to update to set it so that any trade is closed after 4 pips and not 1 pip ?

i have tried changing the following but none of them is able to adjust the profitable pips per trade

input int InpTakeProfit = 200; // Take Profit in Pips

input double MinProfit = 100.0; // Minimal Profit Close /Protect Grid
input int QtdTradesMinProfit = 10; // Qtd Trades to Minimal Profit Close/ Protect Grid

Every trade is opened and closed within 1 pip no matter what i change . Is there a setting to adjust so that every trade will be opened and closed after 4 pips profit

Any help? FYI -- i have gone through the entire Topic and there is no where listing or explaining how to adjust that .
  • #1,733
  • Jul 10, 2018 11:52am Jul 10, 2018 11:52am
Quoting twonny
I think the only way to be profitable using a grid or martingale strategy is to find one that doubles account more often than it causes it to margin call and take prfits regularly. I'm toying with the idea of putting it on a $10k account with 4 pairs and close all equity protection at 20% drawdown. I'm my tests i have doubled a $1k account 4 times, with 2 margin calls so theoretically made $2k in 6 weeks. I'll test the $10k strategy and keep everyone posted
Yes , this is the way to go. Look at Fx2 account shared at Myfxbook ....from 1k to 4 k in less than 60 days....

4k ( 1+1+1+1)

1k "in the trade arena"
1k in the bank
1k in the bank
1k in the "safe" ready to drop back when account blows happen.

with 3/4 blow per year we are ok ...

Money management.
  • #1,734
  • Jul 10, 2018 11:54am Jul 10, 2018 11:54am
Quoting networkgr4
{quote} quick question guys : i am testing xBest v3.48 but all trades are being closed after just 1 Pip . How do i increase that to 2 or 3 pips or ideally 4 pips. Anything less than 4 pips you won't be able to trade on regulated brokers in US and Canada. .
This one has a bug. On an ECN account it is definitely a looser.
Problem was not solved.
  • #1,735
  • Jul 10, 2018 12:08pm Jul 10, 2018 12:08pm
Quoting stefdek
{quote} Yes , this is the way to go. Look at Fx2 account shared at Myfxbook ....from 1k to 4 k in less than 60 days.... 4k ( 1+1+1+1) 1k "in the trade arena" 1k in the bank 1k in the bank 1k in the "safe" ready to drop back when account blows happen. with 3/4 blow per year we are ok ... Money management.
I do agree money management is the way to go. I do believe you might need a bigger account to survive the huge drawbacks. I’ve also noticed that grid ea always get in huge trouble and I believe it’s because they trade against the trend.
  • #1,736
  • Jul 10, 2018 12:35pm Jul 10, 2018 12:35pm
Quoting networkgr4
{quote} @Mike, IMO In trading whether using an EA , Manual Strategy or whatever it might be . It does matter if the mathematics behind it is flawed, Doubling your risk and hoping that you are going to recover your losses is a flawed assumption. if you have an infinite account of Billions of Dollars then probably you might be able to work out a way to average your trades out with a small loss. But most of us have small to medium accounts i.e US$ 1000 to 500,000 . I have never seen a GRID for the past 10 years that does not blow up an account even...
Sir, is not really true , or not for force...i don't want spam or advertise any product but in mql5 market have one famouse GRID ea survive for 13 years of backtest stricktly...with a small DD , because use a lot of filter before enter in a market also use a pattern recognition, and many algorithm for have a profit without take a big risk....is a grid set and forget...i mean it's possible but not so easy for create like that...
  • #1,737
  • Jul 10, 2018 12:55pm Jul 10, 2018 12:55pm
Quoting stefdek
{quote} This one has a bug. On an ECN account it is definitely a looser. Problem was not solved.
i think xJhamil & Rodolfo made a few changes on filtering but not major changes

I have compared v3.47 & v3.48 and the only Main difference is at line 859 to 899 under //-- Open Trade Conditions



AND some cosmetic changes on this method : double FindFirstOrderTicket



On v3.47

//--- Open Trade Conditions
if (!m_hedging)
{
if (orders_count > 0 && !GridAll)
{
if (OpenNewOrdersGrid == true && TradeNow)
{
if (m_time_equityrisk1 != iTime(NULL, InpTimeframeEquityCaution, 0))
{
if (GridAllDirect)
{
if (buyer_counter > 0 && ask_price - buy_price >= m_size)
long_condition = true;
if (seller_counter > 0 && sell_price - bid_price >= m_size)
short_condition = true;
}
if (buyer_counter > 0 && buy_price - ask_price >= m_size)
long_condition = true;
if (seller_counter > 0 && bid_price - sell_price >= m_size)
short_condition = true;
}
}
}
else
{
if (InpOpenNewOrders && TradeNow)
{
hour = TimeHour(time_current);
if (InpManualInitGrid || (!InpUtilizeTimeFilter || (InpUtilizeTimeFilter && TimeFilter())))
{
if (Sinal == 1)
short_condition = true;
if (Sinal == -1)
long_condition = true;
}
}
}
}


While v3.48

//--- Open Trade Conditions
if (!m_hedging)
{
if (orders_count > 0 && !GridAll)
{
if( (OpenNewOrdersGrid == true && TradeNow)&& (!InpOpenOneCandle || (InpOpenOneCandle && vDatetimeUltCandleOpen != iTime(NULL, InpTimeframeBarOpen, 0)))
)
{
vDatetimeUltCandleOpen = iTime(NULL, InpTimeframeBarOpen, 0);
if (m_time_equityrisk1 != iTime(NULL, InpTimeframeEquityCaution, 0))
{

if (GridAllDirect)
{
if (buyer_counter > 0 && ask_price - buy_price >= m_size)
long_condition = true;
if (seller_counter > 0 && sell_price - bid_price >= m_size)
short_condition = true;
}
if (buyer_counter > 0 && buy_price - ask_price >= m_size)
long_condition = true;
if (seller_counter > 0 && bid_price - sell_price >= m_size)
short_condition = true;
if(GridInverterSideOrder && (orders_count) % DivizorInverter == 0) {
if(short_condition) {
short_condition = false;
long_condition= true;
}
if(long_condition) {
short_condition = true;
long_condition = false;
}

}
}
}
}
else
{
if (InpOpenNewOrders && TradeNow)
{
hour = TimeHour(time_current);
if ((!InpUtilizeTimeFilter || (InpUtilizeTimeFilter && TimeFilter())) )
{
if(GridInverterSideOrder && (orders_count) % DivizorInverter == 0) {
Sinal = Sinal*-1 ;

}
if (Sinal == 1)
long_condition = true;
if (Sinal == -1)
short_condition = true;
}
}
}
}
  • #1,738
  • Jul 10, 2018 1:31pm Jul 10, 2018 1:31pm
I am not talking any EA down but, isn't it simpler to learn to trade rather than teaching a computer to do it for you? To teach a computer to trade means the coder of EA knows how to trade (true?). Some people spend years working on the programs, to no sustained success, why no just trade yourself? " famouse GRID ea survive for 13 years of backtest stricktly " That's great but did it make money going forward?
I am all for progress and success, making money, etc. But one has to ask after seeing some ppl joined FF 5-8 years ago and still searching for the magic formula.
Unless this is a side hobby which it completely fine!
  • #1,739
  • Jul 10, 2018 1:43pm Jul 10, 2018 1:43pm
Quoting fc5988
{quote} rodolfolm、 stefdek。 2018.07.09 16:41:11.544 '233488': order sell 0.01 USDJPY opening at market sl: 0.000 tp: 0.000 failed [Common error] I am using 2.2 [Run USDJPY] today. I have a mistake. Can this be fixed?
Each broker has rules for SL / TP that prevent certain values from returning error in the definition of these positions.
  • #1,740
  • Jul 10, 2018 4:30pm Jul 10, 2018 4:30pm
Quoting networkgr4
{quote} quick question guys : i am testing xBest v3.48 but all trades are being closed after just 1 Pip . How do i increase that to 2 or 3 pips or ideally 4 pips. Anything less than 4 pips you won't be able to trade on regulated brokers in US and Canada. What settings do i have to update to set it so that any trade is closed after 4 pips and not 1 pip ? i have tried changing the following but none of them is able to adjust the profitable pips per trade input int InpTakeProfit = 200; // Take Profit in Pips input double MinProfit = 100.0; // Minimal...

@stefdek, @rodolfom or @Yamil or anyone who can help

quick question guys : i am testing both xBest v3.47 and xBest v3.48 but all trades are being closed after just 1 Pip . How do i increase that to 4 pips profit per trade. Anything less than 4 pips you won't be able to trade on regulated brokers in US and Canada. What settings do i have to update to set it so that any trade is closed after 4 pips and not 1 pip ?

i have tried changing the following but none of them is able to adjust the profitable pips per trade

input int InpTakeProfit = 200; // Take Profit in Pips

input double MinProfit = 100.0; // Minimal Profit Close /Protect Grid
input int QtdTradesMinProfit = 10; // Qtd Trades to Minimal Profit Close/ Protect Grid

Every trade is opened and closed within 1 pip no matter what i change . Is there a setting to adjust so that every trade will be opened and closed after 4 pips profit

Any help? FYI -- i have gone through the entire Topic and there is no where listing or explaining how to adjust that

DOES ANYONE ON THIS FORUM KNOW HOW TO CHANGE THAT ?
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