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  • #1,001
  • Edited 2:17pm Jun 29, 2018 2:06pm | Edited 2:17pm
Quoting mrdfx
I would really love to find a safe low risk setting that will do 10-20% pm with max 10-20% draw. It doesn't even have to be many pairs, 3-5 pairs should get the job done with minimal risk for a stable profit. The Hybrid v1.2 that I'm running for over 7 weeks now did 45% in 1 month, but the max draw was 30%, a little over my threshold for what I'm looking for. The search continues...
MRD, ive been testing Carlos1 set file 5m, post749, since he posted, i also have 3 laptops running and a desktop with different settings, in my opinion (for what its worth) for DD you wont beat these settings, but the profit may not be enough for you, please read carlos1s post and see his profit tracker, i can confirm from what i have seen it really does work, and worst DD i have seen is $32 .
I have thought about same settings on 2x charts of the same pair, so max DD would be $64 but you would get double profit, i am still testing but looking really good, i know backtests are BS but backtest it on Dragon, you will hopefully see the potential.
Thankyou Carlos
  • #1,002
  • Jun 29, 2018 3:39pm Jun 29, 2018 3:39pm
Quoting mrdfx
I would really love to find a safe low risk setting that will do 10-20% pm with max 10-20% draw. It doesn't even have to be many pairs, 3-5 pairs should get the job done with minimal risk for a stable profit. The Hybrid v1.2 that I'm running for over 7 weeks now did 45% in 1 month, but the max draw was 30%, a little over my threshold for what I'm looking for. The search continues...
I am inclined to say that a countertrend (martingale or not) is the wrong place to look for something like that.
Countertrend trading is spending 99% of the time in DD and your account is always a 100% in risk.
But it can be really rewarding.

Simple rules for automated CT trading..

- Start with an account funded with the amount you are prepared to lose in just the first couple of trades.
This is just in case you decided to start at the wrong moment. (Magix PP2 TE)

- Never start with an underfunded account.
This will only lead to margin call closures and the death-spiral.

- Never over-fund your account.
Do not think "i am prepared to lose $500 but just to make sure not getting caught in the death-spiral i will deposit $1000".
You will lose a $1000.

- Withdraw your initial deposit (or even half of it) as soon as possible.
This will give you a chance that in case things go wrong to start over after you have studied why it went wrong this time.

- Always know on forehand that you know how to trade.
Even on a really good CT system there will be times that you have to resort to assisting manually to get the EA out of trouble.
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  • #1,003
  • Jun 29, 2018 7:18pm Jun 29, 2018 7:18pm
Quoting mrdfx
I would really love to find a safe low risk setting that will do 10-20% pm with max 10-20% draw.
Over what time period? 10-20% per month? I'm not sure if pm=profit margin or per/month.

If it is per/month I have basically achieved that using 1.1 but with manual intervention. Where my DD went over 20% it was just a result of my own carelessness.

I don't think you'll ever get away from the necessity of manually rescuing a grid rider when it gets into trouble over long trends. It's difficult and time-consuming to accurately predict when a trend will start, so the highest reward/effort ratio, I think, comes from letting the EA do its thing but bailing it out at a pre-defined threshold. Let it dig itself into a hole, but when the hole gets deeper than X$, stop and analyze the market using your years of wisdom, get a fundamental understanding of what's happening, and make some manual trades that at least restores some free margin, at least 150%. It seems to do just fine on its own after that.

Note, I'm mostly trading USD pairs, and the USD might be in a long-term consolidation period which is why this is doing so well. If the USD starts to streak or slump that could change everything.
  • #1,004
  • Jun 29, 2018 9:44pm Jun 29, 2018 9:44pm
Quoting flylohudmo
Hi Majix, Are you still taking membership? I have posted a screenshot of my donation to Make A Wish UK - it is the PayPal reciept - hope this is OK. Great EAs, Great causes! Many thanks! {image}

Thanks for donating

And

Welcome aboard!!

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  • #1,005
  • Jun 29, 2018 9:45pm Jun 29, 2018 9:45pm
Quoting Hezz
My report after 1 week Live ! +14,4% and Im more then happy with that ! I could have made like 10% more but I want to limit the number of cycles running. For exemple this morning Ive disable GBP pairs and let run 1 cycle/EURpair to reach +4% in 2H. Regarding today news and reaching +4% in a day Im done for the week, I dont want to engage new cyles before Week End. Stochs2 is all about managing your cycles and dont let them run too much time.

Way to go, dude!!

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  • #1,006
  • Jun 29, 2018 9:47pm Jun 29, 2018 9:47pm
Quoting FxMadness
{quote} I am inclined to say that a countertrend (martingale or not) is the wrong place to look for something like that. Countertrend trading is spending 99% of the time in DD and your account is always a 100% in risk. But it can be really rewarding. Simple rules for automated CT trading.. - Start with an account funded with the amount you are prepared to lose in just the first couple of trades. This is just in case you decided to start at the wrong moment. (Magix PP2 TE) - Never start with an underfunded account. This will only lead to margin call...

Great post, dude...

Much to add, but will take a little time...

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  • #1,007
  • Jun 29, 2018 10:08pm Jun 29, 2018 10:08pm
Quoting FxMadness
This is just in case you decided to start at the wrong moment. (Magix PP2 TE) - Never start with an underfunded account. This will only lead to margin call closures and the death-spiral.
And...Never enter a trade set that you aren't around to finish!

lol

On this...I have corrected a bit of code to allow for an exit against trade logic...the issues that my test account suffered from:

1. Not properly capitalized...as has been mentioned.
2. Not properly triggered - supplementary trades not in keeping with actual triggering ideas - corrected.
3. Not properly managed - in trend and out of trend - Has been corrected, but will be more user defined!

Unfortunately, for my test account, I didn't have the time to manage my trades...fortunate that I wasn't actually personally invested in the same trades - WHEW!

But...

Out of necessity comes innovation!!

I have, prior to blowing up another account, mentioned what I believed to be the shortcomings of the previous version and in turn, have had my analysis and ideas proven...ergo - Corrected...

As has been stated on the PP logic, I have thrown in a Trend Chance closing idea as well as corrected signaling issues to help eliminate the DD situation...

In all honesty, if wasn't traded through this - one specific of 4 possible weeks of this year - may have gone unnoticed.

Where timing can be everything, I think I have corrected the PP logic to actually cover Everything, with exception of your primary trade...

Will verify code and release prior to the new week!
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  • #1,008
  • Jun 29, 2018 10:24pm Jun 29, 2018 10:24pm
On the other - Fairly Significant Standings -

I have begun working with an actual coder on the Hybrid Sets...

Meaning...

I not only have a second set of eyes, but also have somebody to help me work through some of the shit I don't understand. In all grandness, Hybrid may go Dashboard, but that may still be a long ways away...His/Her name will not be released until they have confirmed it is Kewl to do so!!

3 things to note:

1. I will never be left without source, in event of another crash.
2. Dude I am working with is an absolute fucking genius!
3. Some code has been fixed, which will have an effect on your terminal and will be updated in our next sets.

When comes down to this sandbox, we really want to have the best of all...

Things have definitely improved...but we are only getting warmed up here!!
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  • #1,009
  • Jun 29, 2018 11:28pm Jun 29, 2018 11:28pm
PP2.1 - TapOut - Post 1.



If you have questions, ask!
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  • #1,010
  • Jun 30, 2018 1:29am Jun 30, 2018 1:29am
Hybrid Update
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- DD sitting well below 20%. Didn't even come near this week.


Stoch 2 Update
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- This is turning out to be another genius piece from Magix. What I really like about it is the bidirectional trading feature. In-trend and counter-trend
- I use Stoch5NN and Stock15 trend (set to 0)
- I watched it for several hours and days on backtester and it's proving to be a decent addition to my arsenal. Going live next week with this one
- The downside: Trend trades can get caught in deep reversals. Counter-trend can get caught in extended trends
- The appropriate way to deal with it is to know your pivots and watch for trend reversals. Add to trades at these points. When price approach 200 on my weekly pivots, i get excited. I just sit around and wait for reversal confirmation.
- Use small lots if trading both in-trend and counter trend or ensure you have deep enough pockets
- Avoid summstart lot if you can.

Enjoy a beautiful weekend. Nice sunshine in Paris today, going out to catch some.

Cheers.
  • #1,011
  • Edited 3:51am Jun 30, 2018 3:23am | Edited 3:51am
Quoting montego
{quote} MRD, ive been testing Carlos1 set file 5m, post749, since he posted, i also have 3 laptops running and a desktop with different settings, in my opinion (for what its worth) for DD you wont beat these settings, but the profit may not be enough for you, please read carlos1s post and see his profit tracker, i can confirm from what i have seen it really does work, and worst DD i have seen is $32 . I have thought about same settings on 2x charts of the same pair, so max DD would be $64 but you would get double profit, i am still testing but looking...
No probs Montego we're all in this together and sharing this information is important to us all.....

I touched around 20%DD on 8 pairs at it's peak but is now down to about 12%. On the 8 pairs I don't think there were ever any more than 5 pairs open at the same time. After 1 month trading this strategy has turned $1000 into $1400 which I think is pretty good for the risk.

I'm looking to make some tweeks shortly though as per Sebytim's post 988 with inceasing the macd levels on the higher volatility pairs to 25 or over - this may bring the DD down further ( hopefully without reducing the profit too much) I will lso probably reduce the number of pairs. I think as others have said I think you also need to know when to cut the losers as on fixed lot some trades may never get cost averaged out. Another thought is to switch the EA to buy only or sell only when the trend has turned to see if that can hedge some of the trades but equally this could turn again and your doubly fu**ed! So back too cut the losers I think.......

Cheers
Carlos
"All good things to those who wait"
  • #1,012
  • Jun 30, 2018 5:24am Jun 30, 2018 5:24am
What a scam.

Don't fall for this shit.

Ffs O yeah just trade like this.

Idiits
  • #1,013
  • Edited 7:40am Jun 30, 2018 7:02am | Edited 7:40am
Quoting MLeslie
What a scam. Don't fall for this shit. Ffs O yeah just trade like this. Idiits
Go Troll somewhere else
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  • #1,014
  • Jun 30, 2018 7:13am Jun 30, 2018 7:13am
Quoting Carlos1
{quote} No probs Montego we're all in this together and sharing this information is important to us all..... I touched around 20%DD on 8 pairs at it's peak but is now down to about 12%. On the 8 pairs I don't think there were ever any more than 5 pairs open at the same time. After 1 month trading this strategy has turned $1000 into $1400 which I think is pretty good for the risk. I'm looking to make some tweeks shortly though as per Sebytim's post 988 with inceasing the macd levels on the higher volatility pairs to 25 or over - this may bring the...
Thanks Carlos, i found on back test - usdcad, audusd, euraud, gbpjpy and gbpusd seemed to have the least DD, but a as we all know its broker sensitive
  • #1,015
  • Jun 30, 2018 10:38am Jun 30, 2018 10:38am
Aight...so a quick little explanation on Tap Out...

By Default, Tap Out on Retrace is set to False as some of you may only want to use this tool for looking at market reversals off of pivotal points. IF you are Trading Longs Below the 288 EMA or Shorts Above, leave Tap Out on Retrace set to FALSE.
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The logic behind the Tap Out is if you are trading in observation of the Magix Scalper - Daily Close above/below the 288 EMA on an M15 chart...

If Tap Out is set to True, and price moves from Long Trend (Green Box) into a Short Trend (Red Box) the code will watch for a Stochastics oscillation to Over Bought on this trend change and look for the quickest exit (Yellow Box).
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It will do the inverse for Shorts...if you are trading shorts and price moves into Long Territory, the first opportunity when the Stocastics oscillation to Over Sold and find the quickest exit.

This will Close out All of the Same Directional Trades...ie - if you are long and market goes short, only Shorts will be closed.

WARNING!!

There is no profit requirement that is being observed by the Tap Out Logic - so you may see series of trades closed out at a Net Loss...

Nobody likes to take a loss but to avoid your account looking like my tester from last week...this might be a handy backdoor for ya.
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  • #1,016
  • Jun 30, 2018 11:34am Jun 30, 2018 11:34am
Quoting Magix
Aight...so a quick little explanation on Tap Out... By Default, Tap Out on Retrace is set to False as some of you may only want to use this tool for looking at market reversals off of pivotal points. IF you are Trading Longs Below the 288 EMA or Shorts Above, leave Tap Out on Retrace set to FALSE. {image} The logic behind the Tap Out is if you are trading in observation of the Magix Scalper - Daily Close above/below the 288 EMA on an M15 chart... If Tap Out is set to True, and price moves from Long Trend (Green Box) into a Short Trend (Red Box)...
Tap out looks like a nice addition Magix....
Would this or something similar be able to be added to the Stochs2/Hybrid All in EAs next time you update them. To have this option may prove very useful when leaving the EA in auto.
Cheers
Carlos
"All good things to those who wait"
  • #1,017
  • Jun 30, 2018 11:53am Jun 30, 2018 11:53am
Quoting Carlos1
{quote} Tap out looks like a nice addition Magix.... Would this or something similar be able to be added to the Stochs2/Hybrid All in EAs next time you update them. To have this option may prove very useful when leaving the EA in auto. Cheers Carlos
I had put a similar code into the Hybrid, but it doesn't function the same for a Close All...

The performance was left lacking as applied to the faster time-frames, especially as applied to the Stochastics Oscillations...

That being said, I might be able to still work with the MACD levels...

Or, maybe even just for the time being...

If you keep the magic numbers the same on Hybrid and PP2, you can hotswap with a quick template change if the proverbial shit starts hitting the fan...
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  • #1,018
  • Jun 30, 2018 12:10pm Jun 30, 2018 12:10pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} I had put a similar code into the Hybrid, but it doesn't function the same for a Close All... The performance was left lacking as applied to the faster time-frames, especially as applied to the Stochastics Oscillations... That being said, I might be able to still work with the MACD levels... Or, maybe even just for the time being... If you keep the magic numbers the same on Hybrid and PP2, you can hotswap with a quick template change if the proverbial shit starts hitting the fan...
Thanks for the update Magix and the quick fix with swapping the templates is a great idea! In the long term if something could be worked with the MACD levels to erode some of the unwanted DD on trend change, could be game changer!
ATB,
Carlos
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  • #1,019
  • Jun 30, 2018 12:16pm Jun 30, 2018 12:16pm
Quoting Carlos1
{quote} Thanks for the update Magix and the quick fix with swapping the templates is a great idea! In the long term if something could be worked with the MACD levels to erode some of the unwanted DD on trend change, could be game changer! ATB, Carlos

Will see if I can get something thrown together and testing next week...will keep the thread updated on this progress...

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  • #1,020
  • Jun 30, 2018 12:24pm Jun 30, 2018 12:24pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Will see if I can get something thrown together and testing next week...will keep the thread updated on this progress...
Top Man!
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