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  • #14,121
  • Jun 13, 2018 4:43am Jun 13, 2018 4:43am
Quoting jen101
{quote} So I need to go into the news threads to experience the vitriol.... what and get into trouble? Trump presented fatboy with a video showing him what NK would look like developed, telling him that NK had great beaches and was superbly located. The place could be flooded with tourists bringing in shed loads of money... and of course Trump knows all about building hotels! That is just so slick! What a salesman. I can tell by fatboy's body language and facial expressions that he was in complete awe and that Trump had full control. Yes,...

It just amazes me how the media paints a character into something that is removed from reality in order to promote the hegemonic term. Kim Jun Il, was educated in Switzerland or Sweden, (I am not sure which country) but he was enrolled in the IB program at a young age, so he is no madman nor is he a dummy such as would be the case if growing up isolated like some of the mediatards would like you to believe.

I had some empathy for him when watching that presser when sitting with Trump, as he seemed rather overwhelmed by all the media cameras snapping off pictures and all eyes of the world on him. I can only imagine what he was thinking within that moment. There is still a very long way to go in this process just as Trump pointed out, and China of course is still the dragon behind the panda mask that will no doubt will try to leverage some kind of mechanism to still control DPRNK. Kim I am sure read the Art of the Deal and must be thinking to cut out the middle man is probably a wiser choice.

Lastly, when watching the Trump presser where he took questions afterwards, I was yet amazed again at the disrespect the media continues to show Trump. There was only one journalist who had the respect to call Trump Mr President and actually congratulate him. That pretty much sums up why we the people hate the media, for the utter lack of class they continue to show this President!
  • #14,122
  • Jun 13, 2018 4:49am Jun 13, 2018 4:49am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} That is one of the significant differences between the USA and GB. In the USA a failed business is not a shameful thing unless there is evidence of corruption or embezzlement. Indeed first businesses are most likely to fail. Some numbers from the UK indicate that more than 95% of startups have gone within a year. In the UK a bankrupt is stigmatised and considered untrustworthy and certainly not worthy of credit. The attitude is changing slowly but it has deep roots.
I absolutely agree with you, nothing wrong at all, in failing whilst trying. Getting back up and going again is to be admired and applauded.
  • #14,123
  • Jun 13, 2018 6:00am Jun 13, 2018 6:00am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} 30 million huh? Such an arbitrary number! You do realize Trumps inheritance was in actual real estate and not actual dollar denominations right? Every successful business person at one point or another have filed bankruptcy, and more than once mind you! So what? Whats your point? As the saying goes, you don't get rich counting another mans money!
Of course arbitrary, it is Trump we are talking, all smoke, mirrors and lies, so who knows the real figures. If he published his tax returns as he has promised, we should all know the real truth and end the debate. One wonders why he does not?
There was a chap called Charles Forte, who started a hotel chain, without a penny of inheritance, he started from ice cream parlours. He never went bankrupt, never cheated his suppliers. Quite a contrast.
Business success can be achieved without bankruptcy,many have achieved that, I am quite sure they would resent your statement "every successful business person at one point or another have filed bankruptcy, and more than once mind you!"
  • #14,124
  • Jun 13, 2018 6:42am Jun 13, 2018 6:42am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} That is one of the significant differences between the USA and GB. In the USA a failed business is not a shameful thing unless there is evidence of corruption or embezzlement. Indeed first businesses are most likely to fail. Some numbers from the UK indicate that more than 95% of startups have gone within a year. In the UK a bankrupt is stigmatised and considered untrustworthy and certainly not worthy of credit. The attitude is changing slowly but it has deep roots.
I disagree. Among entrepreneurs in the UK, a failed business is not a shameful thing. Among the snooty haters, they would just welcome anything to have a gloat, when they themselves sit in their cushy council offices whinging about fat cats and the rich having it all. Not that they would ever put themselves out there to try!

Have I just described Labour supporters? The party of envy?
  • #14,125
  • Jun 13, 2018 6:45am Jun 13, 2018 6:45am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} It just amazes me how the media paints a character into something that is removed from reality in order to promote the hegemonic term. Kim Jun Il, was educated in Switzerland or Sweden, (I am not sure which country) but he was enrolled in the IB program at a young age, so he is no madman nor is he a dummy such as would be the case if growing up isolated like some of the mediatards would like you to believe. I had some empathy for him when watching that presser when sitting with Trump, as he seemed rather overwhelmed by all the media cameras...
The globalists need to create bad guys to instill fear. That is the only way they can rule.
  • #14,126
  • Jun 13, 2018 6:46am Jun 13, 2018 6:46am
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Of course arbitrary, it is Trump we are talking, all smoke, mirrors and lies, so who knows the real figures. If he published his tax returns as he has promised, we should all know the real truth and end the debate. One wonders why he does not?
Prolly he would have to explain his investments in Prabda....


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There was a chap called Charles Forte, who started a hotel chain, without a penny of inheritance, he started from ice cream parlours. He never went bankrupt, never cheated his suppliers. Quite a contrast. Business success can be achieved without bankruptcy,many have achieved that, I am quite sure they would resent your statement "every successful business person at one point or another have filed bankruptcy, and more than once mind you!"
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  • #14,127
  • Jun 13, 2018 6:48am Jun 13, 2018 6:48am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I disagree. Among entrepreneurs in the UK, a failed business is not a shameful thing. Among the snooty haters, they would just welcome anything to have a gloat, when they themselves sit in their cushy council offices whinging about fat cats and the rich having it all. Not that they would ever put themselves out there to try! Have I just described Labour supporters? The party of envy?
....it's funny how many Labour supporters start voting Tory once they have money. Not all of them.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #14,128
  • Jun 13, 2018 7:08am Jun 13, 2018 7:08am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The globalists need to create bad guys to instill fear. That is the only way they can rule.
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  • #14,129
  • Jun 13, 2018 7:53am Jun 13, 2018 7:53am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Yeah why? Why my quotes then and no one else's? Maybe he's waiting for a St. George's cross bikini picture. By the way, that image on his profile is very recent, since his suspension. Now FF don't want to be accused of Islamophobia, do they? Dilemma.
Looks as though you just made the dizzy heights of the list of the shamed
  • #14,130
  • Jun 13, 2018 8:53am Jun 13, 2018 8:53am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} ....it's funny how many Labour supporters start voting Tory once they have money. Not all of them.
Here where I live, it is stuffed full of libtards, the champagne socialist type. Think Lily Allen. Think Harry Enfield and the antique shop sketches. I don't know why they're like that.
  • #14,131
  • Jun 13, 2018 8:53am Jun 13, 2018 8:53am
Quoting robgsxr
{quote} Looks as though you just made the dizzy heights of the list of the shamed
Yay!
  • #14,132
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:10am Jun 13, 2018 9:10am
https://youtu.be/70y9i5i-LtU
  • #14,133
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:12am Jun 13, 2018 9:12am
A year old, but very true. Funny bit with Obama at just before 4:00.
https://youtu.be/4UoJareHfIw
  • #14,134
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:13am Jun 13, 2018 9:13am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The globalists need to create bad guys to instill fear. That is the only way they can rule.
Yes are absolutely right and couldn't agree more. What a wretched species we are!
  • #14,135
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:14am Jun 13, 2018 9:14am
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Of course arbitrary, it is Trump we are talking, all smoke, mirrors and lies, so who knows the real figures. If he published his tax returns as he has promised, we should all know the real truth and end the debate. One wonders why he does not? There was a chap called Charles Forte, who started a hotel chain, without a penny of inheritance, he started from ice cream parlours. He never went bankrupt, never cheated his suppliers. Quite a contrast. Business success can be achieved without bankruptcy,many have achieved that, I am quite sure they...
Arbitrary not because of Trump, but the fact I question where it was you came up with that number. 30 Million is factually incorrect.

Your TAX return argument and every person who argues as such fail to hold his predecessor to the same standards. I could care less about his tax returns when considering that Obama hasn’t released his college transcripts, nor his funding sources to pay for his College education, or his passport application which have remained under seal to this day. Probably for good reason too considering that he headed the most corrupt administration in US history which in due time will probably also implicate him as well for the treasonous behavior that he surely is guilty of. Then again making such arguments I digress, but if you want to go there then why not be fair and call a spade a spade and go all the back to the Clinton administration hold to the light which president is the most transparent, and I am sure you will be surprised to find that none of them are squeaky clean, so your Tax return argument is hypocritical to say in the least. Trump hasn’t broken any law, and is not obligated to release it, but I am sure he will in due time.

Secondly, your smoke and mirrors comment is laughable at best and here is why.

Trump is working for free, as accustomed to previous US presidents to take the pay of 400,000.00 per year for US sitting Presidents, Trump has elected to send that money back to the treasury. No US president has done that in modern history.

Shall we talk about his accomplishments so far while in office?

Here is a few just to mention:

Unemployment has been the lowest it has been in the last 20 + years at 3.9%

223,000 jobs created last month, 211,000 the month before and the economy is currently on a steady pace of growth reaching over 3% GDP and projected to reach of 4% by the end of Trumps first term.

Consumer confidence has reached all time highs at 125.6

Budget Surplus is currently at 182 Billion

Dow Jones rose 6.12% higher since Trump took office

Already passed 32 bills through congress

Killed TPP, and soon NAFTA

Renegotiating bi-lateral trade agreements with South Korea, Japan, Brazil, India, and soon will be addressing China, Canada, Mexico, and the EU

Trimmed the fat of over bloated Government agencies that were abusing Tax payers funded projects, as well as getting rid of inefficient and ineffective agencies.

Has been promoting small businesses by making loans more accessible and getting rid of BS regulations imposed by the Ideologue marxist known as Obama.

The US is also on pace to become energy independent by 2025, by insuring the Dakota Pipeline project is completed along with other untapped resources are properly being used to gain in production such as oil, LPG natural Gas, renewable energy, Green tech investments.

Created a Business friendly environment in which has encouraged Reinvestment in America

Softbank $50B
EXXON $20B
Hyundai $3.1B
Apple $1B
Chrysler $2B
GM $ 3B
Bayer AG $1B
Toyota $600Mil
LG $250 Mil

Addressed Border security where illegal border crossings and deportation of violent and repeat offenders decreased by 40%

Freed and negotiated the release of Humanitarian workers in Egypt.
Negotiated the release of three American Hostages from North Korea.

Oh, and we won’t mention his latest accomplishment of establishing diplomatic ties to resolve the NK denuclearization treaty just signed yesterday.

As far as filing for bankruptcy, there are always exceptions for those who started with nothing, and never having to file bankruptcy as opposed to those who have. Also just as Exodus pointed out, he is correct that British standards for doing as such compared to US are quite different, so I will give you that. In the US, bankruptcy is a tool that is used in order to protect personal wealth separated as a firewall with what a Corporate entity does such as using liquidated assets to pay back a debt or shareholders when a business becomes insolvent. In the US, such individuals who never claim bankruptcy and started with nothing is less than 10%, so your snobbish remark about some who may resent my statement can go stuff themselves with a hot potato for all I care, as I could give a rats a$$ what they think! The point is, its a US law that is used as a means of recovering or stemming further losses to corporate shareholders, and Trump was just using the current existing laws to his advantage, as he openly admitted as such during the presidential debates (just in case you weren’t paying attention to that little detail that most love to gloss over for sake of convenience ). The same is also applied for personal losses when one loses their job, or personal wealth due to other mitigating factors such as medical, in order to protect personal financial ruin. If it was such a bad thing to declare bankruptcy, then the law wouldn’t have been written in the first place. That is not to say that there is no need to be some reforms introduced as it pertains to improving bankruptcy laws in general, but for the most part it has worked when corruption is not a factor, but there are also laws for that too to address the current systemic problems exisiting within the system that usually gets resolved in Delaware bankruptcy court as well.

In the end, no human is perfect, we all have imperfections that we live with in terms of regret, and bad decisions but that doesn’t mean that no human being is irredeemable either and according to your bias it seems Trump is not. It doesn’t matter, he is not your leader, and for the reasons I just listed, he has done more in the last year than any president before him in the last 4 administrations has done combined, and that is quite remarkable, but I am sure you will find a reason to call it smoke and mirrors, but doing so will only make you look more intellectually dishonest because numbers don’t lie. Chew on that for awhile as I am pretty sure I made my point pretty succinctly clear and doesn’t need further litigation on my part! Have at it if you will!
  • #14,136
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:20am Jun 13, 2018 9:20am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} That is one of the significant differences between the USA and GB. In the USA a failed business is not a shameful thing unless there is evidence of corruption or embezzlement. Indeed first businesses are most likely to fail. Some numbers from the UK indicate that more than 95% of startups have gone within a year. In the UK a bankrupt is stigmatised and considered untrustworthy and certainly not worthy of credit. The attitude is changing slowly but it has deep roots.

That is a good point, and duly noted that you are correct as I am familiar with our cultural differences and bankruptcy laws as being one of them. I would say in the early years of America, say within the first 50 to 100 years or so, the US sort of had the same stigmatized bankruptcy association that you mentioned, but with so much turmoil brought on by recessions and the advent of the ravages of war eliminated that and introduced more consumer finance reforms along with corporate reforms too when things like the New deal was introduced among other things.
  • #14,137
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:25am Jun 13, 2018 9:25am
Quoting jen101
A year old, but very true. Funny bit with Obama at just before 4:00. https://youtu.be/4UoJareHfIw

I like this guy. I just learned about him recently as I watched him on Youtube during a live debate while advocating for a modern reformation of Islam. I was rather impressed!
  • #14,138
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:26am Jun 13, 2018 9:26am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Arbitrary not because of Trump, but the fact I question where it was you came up with that number. 30 Million is factually incorrect. Your TAX return argument and every person who argues as such fail to hold his predecessor to the same standards. I could care less about his tax returns when considering that Obama hasn’t released his college transcripts, nor his funding sources to pay for his College education, or his passport application which have remained under seal to this day. Probably for good reason too considering that he headed the...
https://youtu.be/6S7epueS2Ac
  • #14,139
  • Jun 13, 2018 9:39am Jun 13, 2018 9:39am
Quoting jen101
{quote} https://youtu.be/6S7epueS2Ac
He is only saying what most are thinking
  • #14,140
  • Jun 13, 2018 10:20am Jun 13, 2018 10:20am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} Cause you a pretty lady. We hardtails.
wrong, me didnt have him/her on ignore only bc i identified him/her as ur leader

so me like talking to circus owner, not clowns

but u think i "targeted" him/her bc she a "weak pretty lady", then ur sexist one.

Quoting robgsxr
{quote} you just made the dizzy heights of the list of the shamed
mod forced me do it, to take out the suspension he/she put on me......

Quoting robgsxr
{quote}I won't express in fear of mis-explaining it
Quoting AlexC
{quote} I see your not on the aforementioned's "ignore list" so no need to fret.
more desperate white knights , if u have wifes then they surely ashamed.

the funny thing about this threads racist losers is u're all a bunch of simps, trying get liked by the girl of the class,

do u know losers that this "woman" ur flirting with can easily be a fat boy from uzbekistan......

Quoting jarhead
{quote} these other guys but they prolly like me, old marines know how to take assholes like that out sweetly
so not only a simp, bi?

contrary to ur neonazi leader beliefs

i as a muslim, respect other religion followers and their sexuality, if u like "hanging out" with some old marines

that's okay

just take care against stds, make them use condom.

Quoting jen101
{quote}Muslims see women differently... I feel uneasy around Muslim men
something tells, if u have daugthers, they'll turn to islam to marry a nice muslim man due to her "mother" irrational fear

childhood psycho issues, daddy didnt luv u?

tell baby

Quoting jen101
{quote}Maybe he's waiting for a bikini picture.


Quoting jen101
{quote} Well keep an eye out for the other one on suspension! FF has to yet decide


Quoting Exodus
{quote} Individually the Muslims I have met are polite and considerate.
you were only one respectful, so i unignored u


to finish, please change the title of thread to: The Racist Hole.

ma'a salama
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