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  • #13,581
  • May 13, 2018 1:22am May 13, 2018 1:22am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Just taste the bread and do a comparison, you will know. When I was in Japan last year on a business trip, everything there especially some of their breads is extremely sweet. Yuk! Sugar is a killer and I liken it to "white death," it is in my view a hook!
I cringe whenever I see "sugar free" which is very often. It just means the sugar is substituted with aspartame, which is just as bad in a different way. It messes with the hormones too and you still get fat with it, even though it is zero calories. So many (fat) idiots.

Of course French bread is the best in the world! Just flour, yeast and water, baked in very hot ovens. No preservatives or improvers; they don't last a day - they go stale. 24 hours later, the baguettes are like missiles. Of course I really have a problem with the French idea of hygiene, lol. They must think I'm crazy, wrapping my baguettes in bags. A little bit of paper around the middle does not suffice or propping them up on the ground whilst you go to the toilet...
  • #13,582
  • May 13, 2018 3:06am May 13, 2018 3:06am
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  • #13,583
  • May 13, 2018 4:56am May 13, 2018 4:56am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} What of ever became of the "mad-cow" disease? Funny how that made headlines and scared a lot into hysteria back then to not eat red meat. Some media outlets where reporting back at the time that UK citizens were resorting to eating dead horses. I took it with a grain of salt of course, but I kid you not that was some of the headlines being peddled at the time.
It is not true that all Brits stopped eating red meat. What is true is that the public took some time to understand what the various bodies including the UK government were telling them about hazards associated with some meats, and there was a reduction in consumption temporarily. From that point on it is fair to say that over a short time all hazards with meat reduced to near zero. It is also true to say that prior to that point meat production was infested with bad practice at certain locations.

It all boils down to the usual evil ... financial pressures. The sheep's disease Scrapey (?sp) was already known and infected animals were prohibited from entering the human food chain. The transmission mechanism was not well understood but was thought to be viral and passed-on by animal saliva residue on grazing grasses. Enter the financial pressure. The UK farmer who has spent a considerable sum, per animal, discovers at herd maturity that he cannot sell his produce in the normal way. Further, he has to destroy the animals. Some, maybe all, farmers are not equipped to do this and employ an agent to do this for them. Of course if they can get any money back from this process they will..... Of course if the agent can maximise his profits he will.

It appears that condemned animals were being diverted to the animal feed industry. I.E. grazing animals such as sheep and cows were being fed processed animal protein and thereby growing at a faster rate. There were apparently few controls concerning what could be fed to animals and it is believed that this is what caused the disease to blossom into epidemic proportions in the beef industry. As the infection process became better understood humans were advised to not eat certain types of meat product. Indeed these days it is impossible to buy certain types of meat product, such as suet, because it/they are considered to be transmission vehicles.

There have been no prosecutions as far as I am aware because there have been no infringements of regulations. There were no regulations.

After the BSE crisis I discovered that some cannibals can suffer a similar fate, developing weird illnesses in older age, such as CJD, due to eating brains, it seems.


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I have no doubt that food additives and hormones are a contributing cause to the various deadly illnesses affecting modern era populations. Things like MS and cancer, are not natural, and so millions of dollars of research for the cure seems rather suspect in my mind.
My uncle contracted MS in the 60s, that pre-dates meddling with hormones. At least I believe so.... It could be due to other chemical poisoning.

As for cancer, I believe the disease process is well understood. The problems remain with understanding the transmission process and whether it is possible to reverse or remove the disease. A number of cancers are caused by viruses, cervical cancer for instance.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,584
  • May 13, 2018 1:59pm May 13, 2018 1:59pm
Mo Farah: you need plenty of carbs as an endurance athlete. Protein alone is not sufficient.

I do a lot of sport where I need endurance. So should I be listening to a double Olympic gold medallist with the best nutritionists helping him or someone who's had 2 heart attacks? Hmm, difficult one.
https://youtu.be/fjZRuFhyjZw
  • #13,585
  • May 14, 2018 12:26pm May 14, 2018 12:26pm
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  • #13,586
  • May 15, 2018 3:17am May 15, 2018 3:17am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} It is not true that all Brits stopped eating red meat. What is true is that the public took some time to understand what the various bodies including the UK government were telling them about hazards associated with some meats, and there was a reduction in consumption temporarily. From that point on it is fair to say that over a short time all hazards with meat reduced to near zero. It is also true to say that prior to that point meat production was infested with bad practice at certain locations. It all boils down to the usual evil ......

Thanks for the education as I found this very enlightening. The "Mad Cow" and "Scrapey" is that we always be vigilant about the food chain, and the processes involved. Sounds like as you described, the money factor removes the ethical standard in the farmer when suddenly faced with a decision where financial loss is at being ruinous. This I suggest is where Government should step in to share the burden so that such episodes never happen again. It is after all why people pay taxes, and it is no different in the US which we like to call subsidies to insure the food chain is not contaminated. FDA

One thing about MS though, you could be right, as I just threw that comment in there out of generalities not really knowing what causes it or it's origins. Not like the HIV virus where scientists in a Laboratory playing with monkey parts and testing it on African populations shouldn't leave any doubt about the skepticisms that proceed us today, but MS is still a mystery as to what is causing it. I had a couple of friends who has died from the illness. One was way back in college who was perfectly healthy, then visited Germany on a spring break, and was suddenly diagnosed with the disease upon returning to the US and three years later he died. Another was a close associate who had a longer period of suffering with the disease where I watched him perfectly normal, progressing into having to be in a wheel chair, expend all kinds of money to make it easier to to get in and out of his house, then progressing until he wasn't able to take care of himself, only to die a few years later. Nevertheless it was painful to watch these people go through what they went through, and also was moved to keep up to date on any breakthroughs on the disease as far as research is concerned.
  • #13,587
  • May 15, 2018 3:18am May 15, 2018 3:18am
https://youtu.be/aBXd9YtBnMQ

A very good video, thought provoking and raises some serious questions as to where we are going today with free speech
  • #13,588
  • May 15, 2018 4:14am May 15, 2018 4:14am
Quoting DrManhatten
One thing about MS though....
It is a horrible disease. It seems that the younger the patient the quicker they die. My uncle lasted into his 80s having contracted the disease in his 50s. An acquaintance's sister was diagnosed in her 20s, didn't make it as far as her 50s, and spent some years in a sanatorium towards the end.

So I hope the scientists can get an understanding quickly. Also with motor neuron disease.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,589
  • May 15, 2018 5:01am May 15, 2018 5:01am
Quoting DrManhatten
https://youtu.be/aBXd9YtBnMQ A very good video, thought provoking and raises some serious questions as to where we are going today with free speech
EU employees are probably a new race under ECJ definitions and criticism of them will be considered racism
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  • #13,590
  • May 15, 2018 5:43am May 15, 2018 5:43am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} EU employees are probably a new race under ECJ definitions and criticism of them will be considered racism {image}
....part of the thin edge
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,591
  • May 15, 2018 7:37am May 15, 2018 7:37am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} It is a horrible disease. It seems that the younger the patient the quicker they die. My uncle lasted into his 80s having contracted the disease in his 50s. An acquaintance's sister was diagnosed in her 20s, didn't make it as far as her 50s, and spent some years in a sanatorium towards the end. So I hope the scientists can get an understanding quickly. Also with motor neuron disease.
Not much is known about MS but most experts believe it to be an autoimmune disease. I know nothing about it but I do know something about autoimmune conditions. My guess is, as with all autoimmune conditions, it stems from the gut and has a lot to do with the gut flora. Again, we can therefore look towards diet. Gut flora can be manipulated with diet and exercise.
  • #13,592
  • May 15, 2018 7:56am May 15, 2018 7:56am
Cows' milk is designed for baby cows.
https://youtu.be/WDsdniqBPRY
  • #13,593
  • May 15, 2018 8:10am May 15, 2018 8:10am
Quoting jen101
Cows' milk is designed for baby cows. https://youtu.be/WDsdniqBPRY
....particularly, human mothers are warned not to use it as a substitute for breast milk.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,594
  • May 15, 2018 9:09am May 15, 2018 9:09am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} ....particularly, human mothers are warned not to use it as a substitute for breast milk.
I breast fed mine for a year each! However, the breast feeding brigade are rather like gestapos. Unfortunately some women can't produce enough or not at all, but feel badly under pressure to, resulting in babies going without. When babies are born, sometimes it takes a while for the milk to come through, and sometimes it never really does, but the babies are thirsty and hungry. I remember when my first was born, the baby next to me wasn't getting anything and was screaming its little lungs out. The mother (obviously been brainwashed) flatly refused to give the baby a bottle. Mine had a few bottles in the beginning. I think of course breast is best, but also we shouldn't demonise bottle.
  • #13,595
  • May 15, 2018 9:10am May 15, 2018 9:10am
https://youtu.be/duysKPlpVjQ
https://youtu.be/8JjM4KlCogo
  • #13,596
  • May 15, 2018 12:06pm May 15, 2018 12:06pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I breast fed mine for a year each! However, the breast feeding brigade are rather like gestapos. Unfortunately some women can't produce enough or not at all, but feel badly under pressure to, resulting in babies going without. When babies are born, sometimes it takes a while for the milk to come through, and sometimes it never really does, but the babies are thirsty and hungry. I remember when my first was born, the baby next to me wasn't getting anything and was screaming its little lungs out. The mother (obviously been brainwashed) flatly...
Plus breastfeeding uses about 600 calories a day. That is the equivalent of running a 10k every day. Amazing how so many women stay fat after having babies.
  • #13,597
  • Edited 1:27pm May 15, 2018 12:45pm | Edited 1:27pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I breast fed mine for a year each! However, the breast feeding brigade are rather like gestapos. Unfortunately some women can't produce enough or not at all, but feel badly under pressure to, resulting in babies going without. When babies are born, sometimes it takes a while for the milk to come through, and sometimes it never really does, but the babies are thirsty and hungry. I remember when my first was born, the baby next to me wasn't getting anything and was screaming its little lungs out. The mother (obviously been brainwashed) flatly...
I can't locate the video at the minute but I saw a Doctor speaking, who stated that some soy based baby powders have as much as 20,000 times more estrogen than birth control pills. The claim seemed absolutely absurd so I listened a few times to try and ensure that I heard him correctly. Now even if the claim is wrong and say out by perhaps 50 % or 75 % imagine the levels that the powders contain.
I then saw, maybe it was a video on here that suggested the food chain is creating problems with societies sexuality preferences. This was just one of the connections that had been made. I will attempt to find the clip.
I believe the cliche is correct Breast is best...

edited...

The clip is here and he speaks of baby powders at around 6 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uIn2L90wA8
  • #13,598
  • May 16, 2018 3:47am May 16, 2018 3:47am
Quoting robgsxr
{quote} I can't locate the video at the minute but I saw a Doctor speaking, who stated that some soy based baby powders have as much as 20,000 times more estrogen than birth control pills. The claim seemed absolutely absurd so I listened a few times to try and ensure that I heard him correctly. Now even if the claim is wrong and say out by perhaps 50 % or 75 % imagine the levels that the powders contain. I then saw, maybe it was a video on here that suggested the food chain is creating problems with societies sexuality preferences. This was just...
Yes, it does seem rather unbelievable! Soy baby milk is not really used much here, only in cases where there are problems with dairy proteins, but I understand it is more widely used in the US.

My younger one had bad eczema as a baby. Eczema is an autoimmune condition, meaning in this case, the immune system sees the larger protein molecules as foreign bodies and reacts against them, resulting in the symptoms of eczema. The same cause can manifest itself differently, such as autism, asthma and other skin conditions. However, asthma is generally the next step after eczema, as the body "sees" the skin as less important than the lungs. My daughter was allergic to dairy, along with other foods with a high protein molecular weight. She also had sensitivities, to artificial preservatives, such as nitrates / nitrites and sulphites. Also salicylates. (Most supermarket fruits are high in salicylates because they are picked green. Before a fruit is ripe, on the plant, it contains salicylates as a natural pesticide. As the fruit ripens, the salicylates disappear. With supermarket fruit, the salicylates have nowhere to go.)

To cut a long story short, once I had ascertained the causes, we dealt with it. She could not have normal dairy baby milk. There are two other types: an amino acids based milk, where the proteins are completely broken down into amino acids, and extensively hydrolysed where they protein chains are partially broken down. Luckily we were fine with the latter. We managed the eczema then dealt with the allergies which caused the eczema. She was completely free of eczema and all allergies by her third birthday. I have a picture of her eating her first piece of chocolate ever, aged 3, sat in the sun in France. Amazing moment and she was fine. That was when I really knew it had all worked.
  • #13,599
  • May 16, 2018 3:50am May 16, 2018 3:50am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Plus breastfeeding uses about 600 calories a day. That is the equivalent of running a 10k every day. Amazing how so many women stay fat after having babies.
Plus... the baby gets the right probiotics and prebiotics to furnish their guts. Without the right sort of bacteria, anything can get in. Antibodies are passed through breast milk too, meaning that for the entire time the baby is breastfed, it effectively has its mother's immune system.
  • #13,600
  • May 16, 2018 3:54am May 16, 2018 3:54am
This landed in my inbox this morning. Scary stuff. "Toxic Weed Killer Found in Most Foods Sold in the US."
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2018/05/15/glyphosate-in-food.aspx
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