Hanover replies to PMs

Hanover, I'm surprised you stuck it out this long to be honest. I've read some of your replies and thought to myself "it's just a matter of time before he becomes fed up with it all". Well a couple of years have passed since I first thought that and now that time has come. You have more patience than me, that's for sure!
Thanks for all you've done to help everyone here (including me) in the past. I hope you enjoy your new found freedom and haven't forgot how to string new line on the 'ole fishin' pole!
Thanks Again and Enjoy!

Satch

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hey hanover...... lol...... there was no real or imagined reason to defend yourself in the first place..... what was the point.....

in my mind, enivid quite possibly has the single best post on this entire forum.... rather than be pulled into some disagreement that could only end in something negative, he simply said....... one word..... just two letters..... "click here"

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if ya ever up this way, look me up.......h

I don't get paid to deal with trollz/haterz and that's why many a year ago I decided to only come here practically once in a blue moon, and not deal with all the B.S. although most social sites are B.S. anyway. Just pure time wasters! Being mostly off of them Keeps my mind clear and focused on what's actually important in my life.

Hanover you've definitely contributed plenty around here, so best of luck in your next chapter...

Hanover! Great stuff. Quit at the top like all the greats.

All the best for the future. Come back soon if you think you made the wrong decision, and have a great life anyway.

There is a saying for people like you: "Quit while you are ahead, but stay connected".

I was the originator of that saying.

Regards

David,

Thank you for all of the time and effort that you put into writing intelligent & thought-provoking posts/replies... there are only a handful of FF members that I routinely follow, and you are at the top of the list. Luckily for us, we have +8000 posts available to re-read and learn from...

Best of luck in your future,

Dave

Hanover,

you remain a riddle to me…..either you are a very nice, but also in some ways naive guy who has really wasted a substantial part of his life with retail forex (selling the dream for free)…..or you are one of the most effective weapons the affiliate marketing industry has to offer….

Whatever is true, (I personally hope it’s number 1), there is no doubt that your posts motivated newbies to engage with retail forex and you did an awful lot to keep the dream alive, in my opinion nurturing a lie of epic proportions.

Looking at your final post..

Nr.1 / We agreed that an effective forex market is most of time for most of the participants enough random, so a market maker is able to make sure trading costs exceed any edge of a retailer in the long run, especially if he engages with little capital and leverage…

However, you kept believing that you will be able to exploit pockets of non randomness and therefore kept chasing the dream, motivating others to join…. Whenever I digged deeper, you acknowledged that forex trading is just a hobby, you trade small (which is good) and you haven’t been able to really extract money out of it, despite the significant amounts of work you invested into retail forex trading.

Nr.2 / … Some of the negative, toxic and/or inane comments were starting to do my head in…..
Well, I hope some of my comments have impacted your thinking in a positive way…and if you quit or reduce the time you dedicate to retail forex, I was successful. If you are really able to overcome the addictive side of retail forex and quit forever, you will be able to judge in 5 years whether I was right or wrong. I am sure you will forgive me in impacting your thinking….because you experience a life much better that what you get in retail forex.

While my comments are certainly negative for the business of retail forex brokers, they are very positive for 99% of all retail traders in the long run, because they hopefully quit faster and lose less money than otherwise. If there is an andectotal, very, very small amount of traders that do achieve consistent profitability, which I do believe doesn’t exist in the retail forex group today, well they won’t certainly bother at all about my warnings….

Nr.3 / We had that argument together…. If you haven’t got kickbacks from brokers, signal sellers or forex educators and worked for free…well, that’s not impossible but considering how this industry is organized it is highly unlikely. Most brokers have affiliate marketing programs paying up to 500 USD per customer, some have models where they share part of the spread and commission….etc. etc. It’s a lucrative business to fish for new victims and there is certainly a whole fishing fleet on FF….

You remain an anonymous FF identity and it is certainly a good advice that anonymous sources can’t be trusted based on the picture they paint from themselves.

Nr.4 / Thankless effort for no reward……You received quite a lot of positive feedback to your contributions…..from me too. And to make it clear, you have contributed knowledge and experience.
I don’t know much about the indicators you made, but what I know about indicators is the fact that if they are a processed from price they can’t add additional value to predict a future price movement.

Nr. 5 / The threads you link do somehow not fit the picture you paint about yourself….these are typical selling the dream threads…..and I somehow get the feeling you hand over your work to some new hands.

In your footnotes you mention that after thousands of trades you came to the conclusion that the market is random and can’t be predicted,so the dream is finally dead…..?!

No, no, no…..it isn’t - what a surprise! You just opened another door and this time it is “a couple of institutional traders” that will finally transform you in a consistently profitable trader…. finally. We are just running in circles, aren’t we?

So if you really care what people think about you and what your legacy within FF will be, a very clear warning from your side to newbies regarding the rotten retail forex industry is exactly what I am missing in your final statement.

Tin foil hat off – I wish you all the best for your endeavors.

Thank you.

Hudi

Respected Hanover, I am a silent reader of FF. I am really sad to see your post of leaving. You serve the humanity more than a decade, I would suggest that now spare some time to GOD as your next destination is GOD, The last request if you can fulfill, Please share with us if possible which indicator/EA or trading system is comparatively good which can help the traders. I hope many other will request the same. I am 35 years old. this will be a good way if you please donate the summary of your 10 years, so I can save my 10 years ahead, God bless you all the way ahead, I will remember you in my prayers, Thank you

May God bless you with more success and glory

Well I lost an indicator, and knew Hanover gave it to me a couple years back so I came back here to start looking. To my dismay, Hanover has gone to trader heaven. I appreciate making your short list of valuable posters. You will be missed.

I did find the indicator, btw.

All the best

Jim

All the respect for Hanover, such a great hero who I'll always remember and learn from.

I wish you the best luck and happiness..

Cheers.

All respect David. We will surely miss you.
Enjoy your life .

Mr. David....
Enjoying your fun time outside the FF? Came across a very old thread on Fractals... and there was a post from you in 2006. Just remembered.. and wanted to say hi Enjoy......!!!!!

I want to thank you Mr Hanover for sharing your tools with us here. Let us know where you can be found on internet not for tools, but for opinions maybe.

Anyway, good luck and have a GOOD LIFE !

Hi David,
Thank you for all the knowledge and trading tools you shared with us. You were the reason that I joined FF in the first place. You will be greatly missed... I wish you a happy life sir. Thank you again.

I've been reading your posts for over a decade. Thanks for donating your time and energy to this place!

I will always miss your insightful posts David. I finally figured out what I was looking for the past 6 months when I had reached out for assistance on "Time". I am glad I deleted my post from this thread because I know the underlying power of what I was asking....I finally tied all the missing puzzles I will trying to solve. I figured out a way to eliminate the manipulation of TIME from the retail trading environment. I figured out how to ignore the relativity within Time. I figured out how to ignore Price. I have figured out what affects consistency within the structure of Price x Time and why 99% fail.

Thank you for all your help. I am dying to publicly thank another forum member (and a very advanced developer if I may add) here whose work gave me all the answers I needed when I ran into his thread. It was a great starting point and too me another several months to perfect the core elements of my understanding.

Perhaps some day, I can thank him for his generous work. As I have said, Factory needs to go back to it's old roots of why this site was put in place. It is no longer the place to be. I am glad you left and I am finding my ways to jam the revolving door myself.

To the Forum Member Name starting with "Pip"... THANK YOU!

True and selfless Hero,rarely to be found in Today's world,he is right when he said that recently the quality of folks have changed, ego focused than learning.Everyone will miss you who is touched by you in the past and in the future.Your work will be always alive in this forum.

Cheers! be happy and satisfied as you are in many prayers!

*pops out of thin air*

I am thanking him myself as well. H realised it many years ago in one of his shouts. :-)

PS You may have to eat your words about an EA that can't stand the test of time. It takes a excellent statistician to sometimes shake the sense into us more humble folk who may be ridden with assumptions biased by our experience.....but I think you may be realising that....as I am now as well.

Hehe...time will tell bro.

I am not seeing any shoutouts from H :-)

Dissolve the bottom; Expand the top. Cutting the noise out is a great choice.

You've had more patience than anyone deserved. Happy trails you crazy bastard.