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Hi Akt and everyone
Akt - I've read most of this thread after I saw some of your excellent posts on Alfonso Moreno's S&D thread. I thought your explanations and annotated charts there and on this thread were/are very clear and helpful. I'm comaratively new to S&D forex trading, but have traded other methods and instruments for a few years. I find the S&D logic very compelling and have been trying to document it and apply it in my trading. However....
CORRECT SELECTION OF THE ZONES WHICH DEFINE THE CURVE is a topic that still confuses me - and I hope you (or some of the experienced traders here) can help....
I understand that both zone freshness and type (Peak/valley vs CP) are relevant, and maybe other characteristics too. You had a bit of a discussion on the other thread early in 2016, but I wasn't fully clear on the rule. I will attempt to state a simple approach and perhaps you could comment / correct me. (The attached diagram may help with some of the various scenarios which could occur...)
On the curve timeframe (eg Monthly if you use M/W/D), the CURVE is defined by the proximal lines of the NEAREST VALID SUPPLY AND DEMAND ZONES to the current price.
[If the price is currently inside a zone on the curve timeframe then clearly difference rules apply (looking for evidence of reversal etc).]
The above statement (in bold italic) is deliberately simplistic, and I hope that will prompt a response... I have read previously that no CP zones counter-trend should be used for the curve, and also (from yourself Akt) that only fresh zones should be used. As I see it, the nearest zones on the curve timeframe which have not yet been taken out are the most relevant 'danger zones' and the proximity of price to those zones is most important, not the ones further away (regardless of whether they are fresh, non-fresh, CP or not) .....Hope you can clear this up or point me in the righer direction.....
Thanks again for all your great work!
Akt - I've read most of this thread after I saw some of your excellent posts on Alfonso Moreno's S&D thread. I thought your explanations and annotated charts there and on this thread were/are very clear and helpful. I'm comaratively new to S&D forex trading, but have traded other methods and instruments for a few years. I find the S&D logic very compelling and have been trying to document it and apply it in my trading. However....
CORRECT SELECTION OF THE ZONES WHICH DEFINE THE CURVE is a topic that still confuses me - and I hope you (or some of the experienced traders here) can help....
I understand that both zone freshness and type (Peak/valley vs CP) are relevant, and maybe other characteristics too. You had a bit of a discussion on the other thread early in 2016, but I wasn't fully clear on the rule. I will attempt to state a simple approach and perhaps you could comment / correct me. (The attached diagram may help with some of the various scenarios which could occur...)
On the curve timeframe (eg Monthly if you use M/W/D), the CURVE is defined by the proximal lines of the NEAREST VALID SUPPLY AND DEMAND ZONES to the current price.
[If the price is currently inside a zone on the curve timeframe then clearly difference rules apply (looking for evidence of reversal etc).]
The above statement (in bold italic) is deliberately simplistic, and I hope that will prompt a response... I have read previously that no CP zones counter-trend should be used for the curve, and also (from yourself Akt) that only fresh zones should be used. As I see it, the nearest zones on the curve timeframe which have not yet been taken out are the most relevant 'danger zones' and the proximity of price to those zones is most important, not the ones further away (regardless of whether they are fresh, non-fresh, CP or not) .....Hope you can clear this up or point me in the righer direction.....
Thanks again for all your great work!
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- May 4, 2018 11:43am May 4, 2018 11:43am
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Hi Akt and everyone Akt - I've read most of this thread after I saw some of your excellent posts on Alfonso Moreno's S&D thread. I thought your explanations and annotated charts there and on this thread were/are very clear and helpful. I'm comaratively new to S&D forex trading, but have traded other methods and instruments for a few years. I find the S&D logic very compelling and have been trying to document it and apply it in my trading. However.... CORRECT SELECTION OF THE ZONES WHICH DEFINE THE CURVE is a topic that still confuses me - and I...
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to meet you
Talk about arriving with a bang!
I got really happy reading your post. A very well put question, with a really simple straight forward answer which you kinda got yourself.
Option 1, 2, 3, and 4 are the correct options, depending on when the trader assesses the chart.
Why? because, for price to continue on its journey, to higher or lower levels from where it is currently located, it must first pass through the nearest fresh levels. Those levels contain price and until they are broken, they will be obstacles.
Now, what tends to confuse traders using the methodology is how this is linked in with trends. That is a whole lesson on its own but suffice to say that an uptrend will eventually break through a DBD and a downtrend will eventually break through a RBR; both continuation patterns.
Welcome again
best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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- May 6, 2018 12:04am May 6, 2018 12:04am
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
- #6,209
- May 6, 2018 12:05am May 6, 2018 12:05am
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
- #6,210
- May 8, 2018 9:54am May 8, 2018 9:54am
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Hello everyone
Thought it a good idea to share some thoughts on the GBPJPY as discussed shared with the Roundtable members earlier today
Anatomy of the GBPJPY weekly chart.
best wishes 
Thought it a good idea to share some thoughts on the GBPJPY as discussed shared with the Roundtable members earlier today
Anatomy of the GBPJPY weekly chart.
best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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- May 8, 2018 10:55pm May 8, 2018 10:55pm
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Hello everyone
A trade in Gold i took with some Roundtable members yesterday. Closed out recently
before and after....
it is possible. Hang in there, don't give up.
best wishes 
A trade in Gold i took with some Roundtable members yesterday. Closed out recently
before and after....
it is possible. Hang in there, don't give up.
best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
- #6,216
- May 9, 2018 10:00am May 9, 2018 10:00am
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Hello everyone
Some short term income trading with the guys
The GBPNZD...before and after, with the first batch taken off.
The rest of the trade is in management mode
best wishes 
Some short term income trading with the guys
The GBPNZD...before and after, with the first batch taken off.
The rest of the trade is in management mode
best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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- May 11, 2018 6:29am May 11, 2018 6:29am
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Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
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- May 11, 2018 6:35am May 11, 2018 6:35am
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{quote} I see I'm not the only one who is perplexed! I presume it's a BIG secret guys!!
Welcome to T.I.O.F
The Roundtable is far from being a secret as we have spoken about it in previous webinar meetups with T.I.O.F readers and contributors who have attended those meetings.
It is the private mentoring service i have for traders who come into mentoring with me. We meet up every sunday night premarket to go over ideas and themes for the week ahead. Just a group of friends from all over the world sharing ideas and going deeper into the various aspects of speculating and trading. As the saying goes, "iron sharpens iron".
best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon