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  • #6,181
  • Apr 30, 2018 3:13am Apr 30, 2018 3:13am
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  • #6,182
  • Apr 30, 2018 4:51am Apr 30, 2018 4:51am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} Hey Mike As far as your dilemma is concerned, I would suggest you spend some time in understanding the methodology. Decision is not based on just one time frame but the 3 time frames that lead to your entry TF. If they are not in sync decision is easy ... Do Not Trade. I do not believe in trading counter trends so will not say anything there.
Hi Foxtrader16,

thank you for your answer. You are right I am still at the very beginning of trading and this methodology, I have a long way to go. With my examples I try to understand this method of trading. I am now struggling a bit with the time frame analysis and the interpretation of things that can be seen on the charts. I also still have to find out, what e.g. a broken momentum line on the weekly chart means for the daily or h4 chart (interaction between the time frames) and how it influences my trading decision.

Maybe some experienced trades have some usefuls hints for understanding time frame analysis and the interaction between the time frames.

Thank you very much.
Greetings Mike
  • #6,183
  • Apr 30, 2018 11:03am Apr 30, 2018 11:03am
Quoting T4i
Hi peeps outlook on NZDCAD Weekly {image} 240min {image}

nice 1,

  • #6,184
  • Apr 30, 2018 12:52pm Apr 30, 2018 12:52pm
my views on these..
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  • Apr 30, 2018 12:58pm Apr 30, 2018 12:58pm
What am looking at..
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  • #6,186
  • Apr 30, 2018 8:12pm Apr 30, 2018 8:12pm
Quoting mike.noname
{quote} Hi Foxtrader16, thank you for your answer. You are right I am still at the very beginning of trading and this methodology, I have a long way to go. With my examples I try to understand this method of trading. I am now struggling a bit with the time frame analysis and the interpretation of things that can be seen on the charts. I also still have to find out, what e.g. a broken momentum line on the weekly chart means for the daily or h4 chart (interaction between the time frames) and how it influences my trading decision. Maybe some experienced...
Mike,

If you are starting out, my suggestion will be to stick to HTFs.
It will help with the clarity.

As far as the 3 time frame analysis , in a nut shell) using example of M-W-D

M1 --> Curve
W1 --> Trend / Momentum
D1 --> Entry

Ideally your D1 entry (Long / Short) will be in line with both M1 & W1 trend for a high probability trade.
Proximity of the S & DZs to be considered as well as the quality of approach/departure.

No need to complicate it too much if you are new to this methodology.

Keep posting your questions and trades and yes please do post the 3 time frames with your analysis.
Live life king size !
  • #6,187
  • May 1, 2018 2:14am May 1, 2018 2:14am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} Mike, If you are starting out, my suggestion will be to stick to HTFs. It will help with the clarity. As far as the 3 time frame analysis , in a nut shell) using example of M-W-D M1 --> Curve W1 --> Trend / Momentum D1 --> Entry Ideally your D1 entry (Long / Short) will be in line with both M1 & W1 trend for a high probability trade. Proximity of the S & DZs to be considered as well as the quality of approach/departure. No need to complicate it too much if you are new to this methodology. Keep posting your questions and trades and yes please...
HI Foxtrader,

so you enter on the daily that is ideally nested inside a monthly zone and you wait until monthly and weekly are inline with each other correct?
"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #6,188
  • May 1, 2018 10:56am May 1, 2018 10:56am
Quoting T4i
{quote} HI Foxtrader, so you enter on the daily that is ideally nested inside a monthly zone and you wait until monthly and weekly are inline with each other correct?
No. Monthly is my curve. It is used to figure out whether I am high or low on my curve.
Then I look at weekly price to identify my SZ / DZ.This could be embedded in the M1 SZ/DZ but not necessary.
When the price reaches one of the zones, I will look for entry in the embedded Daily zone.
Same thing you would do in H4 / H1 / your TF choice depending on your 3 time frames.

Of course all our SAD rules need to be in place. That includes the trend direction and momentum.
Live life king size !
  • #6,189
  • May 1, 2018 11:10am May 1, 2018 11:10am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} No. Monthly is my curve. It is used to figure out whether I am high or low on my curve. Then I look at weekly price to identify my SZ / DZ.This could be embedded in the M1 SZ/DZ but not necessary. When the price reaches one of the zones, I will look for entry in the embedded Daily zone. Same thing you would do in H4 / H1 / your TF choice depending on your 3 time frames. Of course all our SAD rules need to be in place. That includes the trend direction and momentum.
thx, I think I know what your saying.
"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #6,190
  • May 1, 2018 11:50am May 1, 2018 11:50am
hello everyone,

here is my outlook on GOLD

Weekly
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  • #6,191
  • Edited May 2, 2018 8:43am May 1, 2018 12:27pm | Edited May 2, 2018 8:43am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} Mike, If you are starting out, my suggestion will be to stick to HTFs. It will help with the clarity. As far as the 3 time frame analysis , in a nut shell) using example of M-W-D M1 --> Curve W1 --> Trend / Momentum D1 --> Entry Ideally your D1 entry (Long / Short) will be in line with both M1 & W1 trend for a high probability trade. Proximity of the S & DZs to be considered as well as the quality of approach/departure. No need to complicate it too much if you are new to this methodology. Keep posting your questions and trades and yes please...


Hi foxtrader16 and all other traders,

Thank you for clarifying,

I also had a look in the thread of Alfonso Moreno and went over his e-book. It really helped to clarify things.

My planned timeframe would be Weekly-Daily-H4, but when I struggle too much with these I maybe will switch to higher TF.

Please have a look at my charts for CHFJPY.

-weekly chart: Price is in weekly demand zone, price is trading sideways maybe with downtrend
-daily chart: Price is in weekly demand zone, downward momentum
-h4 chart: Price is in weekly demand zone, downward momentum, no demand zones formed

Things to do
-Exit short positions
-Don't enter short trades within weekly demand zone
-Wait for prices to rise from weekly demand zone. Wait for break of daily momentum line, when daily line is broken search for demand areas to enter on H4.

All comments appreciated.

EDIT: After having a look again, I think I made some mistakes. Will post charts on CHFJPY once more.

Thanks Mike
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  • #6,192
  • May 2, 2018 4:19am May 2, 2018 4:19am
Quoting bhopris0
Hey guys, Mid week idea: Looking to buy into the trend do you guys concur? {image} {image} {image}
An update from this trade guys.
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  • #6,193
  • May 2, 2018 4:09pm May 2, 2018 4:09pm
Hi guys I think NZDCAD must go down judging from my Bigger Time Frames... So let us start looking for selling oppotunities on smaller timframes until price Hits the 0.876xxx Zone ... Whats Your Take On this One ????
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  • #6,194
  • May 2, 2018 10:09pm May 2, 2018 10:09pm
Quoting nkomo78
Hi guys I think NZDCAD must go down judging from my Bigger Time Frames... So let us start looking for selling oppotunities on smaller timframes until price Hits the 0.876xxx Zone ... Whats Your Take On this One ???? {image} {image}
Hi nkomo,

Momentum is indeed down but you have not drawn the trend lines correctly.
Momentum line is broken to the down on the weekly.

You have not provided your entry TF as part of your analysis.

I will sell if the price retraces back to a SZ on the LTF which will give me a better RR.

Cheers
Live life king size !
  • #6,195
  • May 2, 2018 10:17pm May 2, 2018 10:17pm
Quoting bhopris0
{quote} An update from this trade guys. {image}
I just don't like the way the price is grinding up.
Quality issues I notice
Live life king size !
  • #6,196
  • May 3, 2018 11:01am May 3, 2018 11:01am
hello everyone,

here an idea on NZDUSD

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4hr entry TF ( 4hr supply zone removed and broken momentum.)
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  • #6,197
  • May 4, 2018 1:13am May 4, 2018 1:13am
Quoting nkomo78
Hi guys I think NZDCAD must go down judging from my Bigger Time Frames... So let us start looking for selling oppotunities on smaller timframes until price Hits the 0.876xxx Zone ... Whats Your Take On this One ???? {image} {image}
Hello nkomo78.
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I am sorry, i speak English a little bit
  • #6,198
  • May 4, 2018 4:31am May 4, 2018 4:31am
Hello everyone.

Some thoughts on a very problematic topic for traders in general, one we have spoke about before, the topic of TRENDS.



Trend. You want to know if the market has a defined trend. There are many ways traders use to determine this. They use price itself, based on the well known Dow theory that defines an uptrend as higher highs and lower lows & a downtrend as lower highs and lower lows. A market with no defined direction is said to be in a range or sideways. The highs and lows are “relatively equal”.
Trend can also be defined using indicators, the most common of which is the Moving average. The direction or slope of the moving average is the most important aspect of this determination, rather than where price is located relative to the moving average.
The moving average has been given a very bad rap over the years as being a lagging tool. I think we have already established that in speculating, every tool whether price, or an indicator derived from price or volume, has a lag. The more important question is how much of a lag there is.

Consideration can and should be given to using a combination of approaches in determining trend.

For example, the practice of supply and demand trading requires that the imbalances are considered in determining trend, and more importantly, trend changes. It also incorporates the dow theory as a secondary tool in eyeballing an established trend.

Within the supply and demand methodology, an uptrend is defined as the respecting of demand and the removal, extinguishing or violation of supply levels. Vice versa for a downtrend.

The challenge for supply and demand traders using this approach comes from defining what is demand and what is supply. To do this, large moves in price are first identified and these are then followed down to the origins of the large movement in price.

Notice, it is not ideal to seek the basing first but rather first find the big moves then identify the basing from which the big moves occurred.

Is there a fool-proof, no-fail way of identifying trend accurately all the time? I think it would be a waste of brain power and energy to say yes, just because saying yes would imply there is certainty in the field we are engaged in. We know there is no certainty in speculating otherwise it would not be speculating.

What we do have are processes as defined within each methodology for defining a trend. Picking one or a combination and working with it consistently for a sample of trades and then evaluating the results is a very useful exercise.

Identifying the trend is all well and good, how about trading the trend or against it, how does one go about doing that?

That is a topic for another T.I.O.F article and future webinars.

I wish you well
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,199
  • May 4, 2018 4:35am May 4, 2018 4:35am
Quoting BogdanM.ua
{quote} Hello nkomo78. {image} {image}
Hello BogdanM.ua

Thank you for this, i concur.

A new supply zone has formed around the 0.9304 are with the break of the momentum line and the removal of the RBR

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,200
  • May 4, 2018 7:43am May 4, 2018 7:43am
Quoting bogdanm.ua
{quote} hello nkomo78. {image} {image}
yes my trend line was drawn on the monthly chart,
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