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  • #5,241
  • Apr 22, 2018 4:28am Apr 22, 2018 4:28am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} No, it worked for home before he placed it on the market. That’s what the heck I am taking about. Great to hear your 16 year old son is playing video games. It will stand him in great stead later in life.
so now all you say you did all the circus and fuss here by defending ohanah just based on the fact that this worked for you before? c'mon mate.
what is more important ? the fact that worked for you before to place it on the market or the fact that dont work now when he ask money for it?
i must agree with you is not really a 100% scam image but does fit in the zone because of the sneaky way of selling this with new high prices with every new name and i just dont get it with all those webinars where customers can learn all tricks about EA he still ask money. is like when i buy one tv from the store pay once then i ask user manual and the seller ask me money once again for that damn user manual.is a pure scam? of course not but is that honest way and decent attitude to your customers ? of course not. not to mention that the tv have not the desired colors and change of channels dont work as expected
so on this zone we talk and you dont want his project to be doomed ,i can agree with that too but let him act decent and defend what he sell.
you can not agree with my own point of view,that even smart i dont see it decent and honest to ask money for webinars where in fact customers can learn to beat the market using his product. but you cant request anyone who post a simple point of view to prove something with his real account explorer or to prove anything else.
i dont like fees on a webinar where subject is a previous already paid product.for me is sneaky double pay.end of story.
so even if you dont agree with this it doesnt mean we cant have a ''friendly beer''.
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  • #5,242
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:30am Apr 22, 2018 5:30am
ops! who did this?
i hope not your ''rich friends'' who can place me in 3rd grade
probably useless big mouth
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  • #5,243
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:47am Apr 22, 2018 5:47am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} so now all you say you did all the circus and fuss here by defending ohanah just based on the fact that this worked for you before? c'mon mate. what is more important ? the fact that worked for you before to place it on the market or the fact that dont work now when he ask money for it? i must agree with you is not really a 100% scam image but does fit in the zone because of the sneaky way of selling this with new high prices with every new name and i just dont get it with all those webinars where customers can learn all tricks about EA...
Friendly beer is fine.
It isn't a circus to me, not with the amount of time I have put into testing each version. The very latest version which so far hasn't had an update, for me seems stable and profitable.Time will tell whether it remains profitable.
I'm acting for myself and the time I have contributed to the project, hopefully the project will continue but as I said earlier with the hounding and shelling that he had to endure, it looks as though you guys may have won, in that case then I am using the last version and the hounds can move onto someone else. The simple point of view is fine, but as I have said now many times, the nature of the onslaught that occurred was an absolute bombardment and mostly from'self elected members of an out of control hit squad'. They should have been advised on how to approach the matter, and as this is only the 3rd thread that I have had any real interest in to find that the same bunch of wa k rs have again played judge and Jury seriously pi ed me off.
As far as I am aware Ouroboros is a different version to any previous, but as I didn't program it, it's difficult to say.
The marketing side of things from Mark, in hindsight he should have tackled things differently but I believe this was his first attempt to sell a product, it has certainly put me off ever getting involved in selling a product but hats off to anyone that tries. Thick skin and huge gonads are required.
I'm fortunate that I can and do program my own EA's and have a mate who is an absolute whizz at manual trading, personally I haven't got the patience plus I don't live in the right time zone, hence my interest in putting together a variety of EA's inc Ouroboros.
It looks as though both threads are calming down, perhaps now we can all get back to trading which after all is what we are all here for.
  • #5,244
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:56am Apr 22, 2018 5:56am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Friendly beer is fine. It isn't a circus to me, not with the amount of time I have put into testing each version. The very latest version which so far hasn't had an update, for me seems stable and profitable....
like i said already to you i can accept your statement.you buy it with your own money and own decision,NOBODY can harm you or judge you about that.you can say anytime your personal statement about the performance of product you bought. but also i said that too much fuss about this can make you cross one line in others view where from one simple happy customer you can became very fast a hidden advertising agent.and you cant fight with everyone dont like something that you like,we must agree on this one.
you already know that being commercial and not only here,require a bit grosse skinn,and also one ability to defend with already proven facts what you sell,like anywhere in the world.so nothing new when some like it and some dont like it.is just the natural way.
when you will decide to focus more on trading and less reading here and jump in debates... you will owe me that beer i can tell you
happy sunday and green week ahead to everyone!
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  • #5,245
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:58am Apr 22, 2018 5:58am
Quoting Husky77
ops! who did this? i hope not your ''rich friends'' who can place me in 3rd grade probably useless big mouth {image}
He posted crap in Davit thread...
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  • #5,246
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:02am Apr 22, 2018 6:02am
DaQueen suspended for what exactly?

braintheboss

If an EA is sensible to brokers ( fair brokers with small behaviour differences ) then that EA simply not works. Rest is only search excuses for cover the reality. And before you tell me he is awesome coder you dont forget i convert repainting crap in reliable tools. That need more skills that your dear "owner" will have in his life

Depends on what you call small behaviour details, zero stops on one broker and +4 on another can totally mess up a scalper but then I don't have to explain that to you, including refresh rates, liquidity and...the list goes on.
No one is denying your programming skills, personally I don't modify, I just make my own, for re-painting usually adjust the parameters for close of candle, no more repainting depending of course on the actual indicator, although I do like one re-painting indicator that shouldn't be molested with.
One thing though, there are plenty of awesome coders on these boards, and some of them, just code. And the one that you allude to does have one small advantage, he knows the brokers inside out. More than most on here will ever know.

Again, why is Da Queen suspended, anyone?
  • #5,247
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:06am Apr 22, 2018 6:06am
Da Queen on the Davit thread, go figure.

Mate of mine rates Davit and his support/resistance stuff.

Husky77....I have plenty of time, retired at 48, although my wife may have something to say about it, beer sounds good.
  • #5,248
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:13am Apr 22, 2018 6:13am
Quoting moodybot
Da Queen on the Davit thread, go figure. Mate of mine rates Davit and his support/resistance stuff. Husky77....I have plenty of time, retired at 48, although my wife may have something to say about it, beer sounds good.
damn! think i need to push up a bit my risk ,time goes so fast
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  • #5,249
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:18am Apr 22, 2018 6:18am
Quoting moodybot
DaQueen suspended for what exactly? braintheboss If an EA is sensible to brokers ( fair brokers with small behaviour differences ) then that EA simply not works. Rest is only search excuses for cover the reality. And before you tell me he is awesome coder you dont forget i convert repainting crap in reliable tools. That need more skills that your dear "owner" will have in his life Depends on what you call small behaviour details, zero stops on one broker and +4 on another can totally mess up a scalper but then I don't have to explain that to you,...
Not idea about ban. He seems wanted promote his "product" and somebody didnt like. Or maybe half of Davit followers. Anyway you cant go to one thread to say shit about his OP when he is a reputable member...
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  • #5,250
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:22am Apr 22, 2018 6:22am
I like the way mr oHannah marketed his system in very professional way. The way he talk let us think he must be a legitimate professional trader. Compare to mr Master-Mind, he is a different breed (hes a joke). Anyway better to stay away from both of them.

Thanks mr kenshin for exposing this ridiculous razer mouse ouroborus EA. We need more people like you to warn the public.
  • #5,251
  • Apr 22, 2018 6:25am Apr 22, 2018 6:25am
Quoting moodybot
...advantage, he knows the brokers inside out. More than most on here will ever know. Again, why is Da Queen suspended, anyone?
Who really knows how brokers works never will use scalp. All that kind of tiny scalp ( because scalp is normally 15/30 pips trades ) its a caramel for brokers. And that scalp always is linked with overleveraged trading. As many people told you before, who sells something makes profit a tons. You dont need search a salary when you have a machine prints money...
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  • #5,252
  • Apr 22, 2018 7:01am Apr 22, 2018 7:01am
Quoting keyo
I like the way mr oHannah marketed his system in very professional way. The way he talk let us think he must be a legitimate professional trader. Compare to mr Master-Mind, he is a different breed (hes a joke). Anyway better to stay away from both of them. Thanks mr kenshin for exposing this ridiculous razer mouse ouroborus EA. We need more people like you to warn the public.
Must admit old Master-Mind does produce some colourful work, I gave his first post on his first thread a couple of moments of my time, I couldn't for the life of me work out what what he was going on about... I still cant.
Out of interest how did you get on with Ouroboros?
Or are you jumping on the band wagon? If so, one of my points from earlier has been proven right.
  • #5,253
  • Apr 22, 2018 8:09am Apr 22, 2018 8:09am
Quoting moodybot
And the one that you allude to does have one small advantage, he knows the brokers inside out.
youre wrong my friend if you put that ''band/gand vagon' stamp on anyone who dont have same happy review as yours.you must think there might be same customers product like you who really dont like it or like it less.
please if your agreement allows you can you explain a bit of more logic tech about this way of trading backed by ''he knows the brokers inside out'' but just with the example bellow with trades taken from your TE,excluding the happy promo text
the only logic i see there is pure martingale.
buy EJ at one resistance level near 133.000 ... please forgive me but i dont see any ''he knows the brokers inside out'' to back up this first trade.not to mention the others who follow with multiplied lot.
you have first - 0.01 Buy 132.941
second - 0.02 Buy 132.511
third - 0.06 Buy 132.136

as i accept without comments any correction please do if i put some numbers wrong.
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  • #5,254
  • Apr 22, 2018 9:07am Apr 22, 2018 9:07am
A seller can lie with words. But charts and TE dont do it...
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  • #5,255
  • Apr 22, 2018 9:23am Apr 22, 2018 9:23am
Quoting braintheboss
A seller can lie with words. But charts and TE dont do it... {image}
i just hidden my trades from that LOL cos i dont want to be accused of hidden advertising of something thats ... not for sell in fact.
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  • #5,256
  • Apr 22, 2018 9:54am Apr 22, 2018 9:54am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} i just hidden my trades from that LOL cos i dont want to be accused of hidden advertising of something thats ... not for sell in fact.
Since when show your trading system is advertisment? While you dont "offer" it for some bucks the only thing people can accused you is dont be generous FF have a section for that?

Anyway I'm talking about EA behaviour. That kind of trades looks amateur software, not payed software
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  • #5,257
  • Apr 22, 2018 4:27pm Apr 22, 2018 4:27pm
[quote=Husky77;10987694]{quote} youre wrong my friend if you put that ''band/gand vagon' stamp on anyone who dont have same happy review as yours.you must think there might be same customers product like you who really dont like it or like it less. please if your agreement allows you can you explain a bit of more logic tech about this way of trading backed by ''he knows the brokers inside out'' but just with the example bellow with trades taken from your TE,excluding the happy promo text the only logic i see there is pure martingale. buy EJ at one resistance level near 133.0



I'll reply to both of you, Husky and Brain...

I have no idea what the trading logic is behind Ouroboros, whether the EA took a trade based on voodoo candles and lines from history, or whether it's number crunched statistics I haven't got the foggiest. Definitely martingales though, the question is, will it control the martingale within previous generated profit!...time will tell.

One thing, to say there was a clear sell signal with the EJ and the EA took a buy because there was a clear indication of a resistance level I don't remotely take any interest in. Price will cycle back and forward whether there is a resistance level or not. I'm not going to get into a discussion around the logic the EA uses to place the trade, I don't know....possibly momentum, spread along with VSA, however Mark kept that to himself.

If the EA uses an out of control martingale then the account will get fried, and we will probably find out in the next few days.


Must say I like the look of the charts you both posted, who set them up, was it an indicator or EA? Do you both trade from the same indicator, EA source?
  • #5,258
  • Edited 5:15pm Apr 22, 2018 4:58pm | Edited 5:15pm
Quoting moodybot
Quoting Husky77
{quote} youre wrong my friend if you put that ''band/gand vagon' stamp on anyone who dont have same happy review as yours.you must think there might be same customers product like you who really dont like it or like it less. please if your agreement allows you can you explain a bit of more logic tech about this way of trading backed by ''he knows the brokers inside out'' but just with the example bellow with trades taken from your TE,excluding the happy promo text the only logic i see there is pure martingale. buy
...
Problem with ohanna when he started thread was he didnt put TE. Then everybody bought it had believe in his "theory". When he placed TE gave the oportunity to possible customers can check how works EA and decide if they want invest in it. Since that moment ( he placed TE ) the responsability about the buy is only from customer side and for me its enough for mark him as fair commercial. If works or not is something not relevant and really I always tried avoid give comments about his stuff.

But if somebody ask me about my opinion for get a different point of view before buy it then I will say them I see in TE. And I dont see anything good or something in it will have future potential. But only its my opinion...
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  • #5,259
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:08pm Apr 22, 2018 5:08pm
About capture are my tools ( not EA, only PINs tools ). For who followed my old thread they know what kind of stuff Im using.

Husky uses his setup. He trade manual using system signals as reference ( we can talk about self auto ) and have other live accounts for auto ( tests ).

I use similar approach. Tiny live accounts for tests and manual with assistant for my main account. This let me much free time for can code because I dont have be at screen all day. I use push notifications for know when i have check screen.

But both we have enough experience trading then a big part of success is in the human side. Software helps but is not a holy grail. And how I told in other post when you have something quite good you dont share it or sell it...
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  • #5,260
  • Apr 22, 2018 5:35pm Apr 22, 2018 5:35pm
[quote=moodybot;10988251]
Quoting Husky77
{quote} If the EA uses an out of control martingale then the account will get fried, and we will probably find out in the next few days. Must say I like the look of the charts you both posted, who set them up, was it an indicator or EA? Do you both trade from the same indicator, EA source?
maybe you can do something from inside set and try squeeze as much as you can from market and also work on MM if EA give orders multiplying the lot.if you bought it at least to get some cash from market and recover what you paid step by step.

the sistem you see in my chart i cant talk more as i dont want advertise it here, but of course dont need any kind of promotion as is private, is a very long time work ,hundreds of nights of hard work from Juan and tests from both of us.at this moment two guys know and have this tool,one is the maker Juan,and second is me the tester the amigo and trouble maker and i feel this tool will remain at this level,why? not hard to guess i think.yes i trade most manual but based on what this sistem give me as guidance.sistem is working on full auto in one real acc but of course with min lot size and strong MM.i add bigger lot size manual only when i consider i like what i see and of course when a get a little better price.so yes can be considered i trade the sistem manual because min lot size is really insignificat on this real acc and is more like a guidance and reference for alert me about a good entry to focus on a specific chart.

now regarding the EA you use my friend... you dont know whats the logic behind that and you made all the fuss around?
ok from here we change it,you pay the beer mate
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