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  • #5,221
  • Edited 11:48am Apr 20, 2018 11:37am | Edited 11:48am
Quoting DaQueen
Take care sweety. I loaded my TE with the salary of my personal chef. so if i say, "Guys I expect to lose" but never actually lose..... Would that make me a scammer?
18K in 13 trades. Then you didnt start well seeing your first trade. Even if later go higher you will suffer some DD. Really who place a buy in the resistance area without be broken and wait the restest?

PD: Trade is not taken for me. I let my slave do it for me...
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  • #5,222
  • Edited 12:49pm Apr 20, 2018 11:50am | Edited 12:49pm
Quoting DaQueen
I'd say that I understand your point clearly but the issue is with you comprehend ing what I typed. By the simple fsct that forexfactory and fxjunction hae .Takem. Measures to protect from sca mming, the reality is that it still occurs and at the sa me rate as nefore because all you have to do is margin call to be labled a sca mmer. I have seen people burm acvounts over at fxj and simple continue trading with nothing done by the website.
I do not think you would see the regulars on this thread,
'attacking' members who do not sell or charge money
for the trading systems or signals that they post here.

It seems widely accepted that T.E. is not mandatory
for users who give/teach 'free' systems/signals.

Most of the popular threads here which teach trading system (mostly for free),
do not have supported T.E. from the originators of the threads.
Apparently, one use the stuffs they teach at one's own risk.

Most popular trading gurus and professional traders do not show their P/L statements
to people (especially random strangers), when demanded.
Whether they are profitable or not, only they themselves know.

The ugly part is there are indeed gurus who charge money for teaching trading systems or giving signals.
Most of their clients/students may be losing money consistently (from using their service)
after paying large sum of money for the systems/signals.
This is potentially a scam that needs to be dealt with.
However, very little can be done about it, except labelling them as scammers on the internet. Lol
This is because their students/clients usually have to sign disclaimers that protect the alleged scammers
from being held responsible legally for any loss incurred by the students/clients.

Which brings us to the important point,
the people/traders or sites,
that warn people about scammers,
need not be profitable traders themselves,
to be qualified to expose scammers
and reveal truths that will save millions of people from getting scammed.
'For the market to work, it needs people who think that they can beat it.'
  • #5,223
  • Apr 20, 2018 12:22pm Apr 20, 2018 12:22pm
Quoting duxis
{quote} LOL, i'm not impressed, your personnal data is PUBLIC !!! {quote} YOU DID ! until you revised your website (maybe yesterday) , it's not that hard for Justice Tribunal to request to your hosting service (1 and 1) the log journal. Keep on lying.
LOL what a mofu this bagexpert. Of course you dont need to worry. He is full of shit. THAT's IT.

Had a good laugh after reading his posts.

Take care.
Don't be smart. Be rich.
  • #5,224
  • Apr 20, 2018 12:27pm Apr 20, 2018 12:27pm
[quote=DaQueen;10985165]
Quoting billytt
{quote} Take care sweety. I loaded my TE with the salary of my personal chef. so if i say, "Guys I expect to lose" but never actually lose..... Would that make me a scammer?


you would not state that in any sales literature if you want to sell it.
and no you would not be classed as a scammer..
It all depends on what extra you say the ea/method does and make sure the instructions are clear...

i place a trade and have a backup plan should it go against me, as long as you have more %%% at the end of the day/week/month you are not losing.

Have a good weekend, walk time for me..
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #5,225
  • Apr 20, 2018 12:50pm Apr 20, 2018 12:50pm
Quoting AlastorFate
{quote}Which brings us to the important point, the people/traders or sites, that warn people about scammers, need not be profitable traders themselves, to be qualified to expose scammers and reveal truths that will save millions of people from getting scammed.
100% I agree with this! , Most famous football trainers were very average players... To succeed in FX market you need knowledge as well as psychological resilience ( maybe the second is even more important)... I don't mind if someone shares with me with his knowledge even if he doesn't show me his TExplorer.
It's my decision if I use it or not for trading.
The same if someone feels and has evidence that someone is trying to offer a "destructive" tool or system and informs our society about it - it is also kind of knowledge, very helpfull especially for newbies, which as most of us when started on Forex tried to find a "magic way" to earn much and quickly and were very vulnerable to "holy grail " offers in the net. So thanks to all who track suspicious offers on FF.
It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future...
  • #5,226
  • Apr 20, 2018 1:02pm Apr 20, 2018 1:02pm
Quoting bagXpert
{quote} After seeing my own personal data's, a complaint has been lodged to the judicial police district against you. To complete that, the company you find is authorised to exerce in all sectors cause his APE number. And we not propose to manage funds
Stop your BS. I doubt that is legit.
Don't be smart. Be rich.
  • #5,227
  • Apr 20, 2018 2:45pm Apr 20, 2018 2:45pm
[quote=AlastorFate;10985243]{quote} I do not think you would see the regulars on this thread, 'attacking' members who do not sell or charge money for the trading systems or signals that they post here.


It was exactly that reason that caused me to to defend the o'Hannah project.
Absolutely there have been members who had nothing to sell and have suffered from the barrage.
Both Pitbull threads now resides in the recycle bin. Go look.

DaQueen....

Quoting moodybot
{quote} They're not selling anything, but running about controlling the threads without any tangible proof of trading amounts to the same thing. Present company accepted.
Well said. A scammer would appesr to be anyone that misrepresents anything posted. Thhe senior members for the most part have no TE attached amd post charts to show proof of their call, but they only post what they want us to see.

Quoting Tesmy
{quote} I accept that. However the advantage is that all the old comments are still around so people can see that the user has already blown an account so they at least have the choice as to whether they wish to subscribe to another account service offered by the same person. On FF, people just re-register under a different name and there is no history by which to judge them. As I said, it's the ease at which scammers can re-register here at FF.
Another big issue is this website not giving signal calls a chance to explain why they failed but allowing members like redOctobre to troll the signal provider thus causing discussions which shouldnt be on thread anyway.

DaQueen, thankyou, you actually get it. About time some one did. Please be careful, the procedure is that you'll be accused of being moodybot, oHannah...or both, then ridiculed, flamed, then trolled...or whatever else it takes to close the lid......keep the lid open.

There are members here who do a good job rooting out evil intentions, the ones who have posted within the last few hours are good guys, I do not agree with them on everything, but the debate has been kept fair. One though, conspicuous by his apparent absence, has taken the flaming, ridiculing to a whole new level and has lost sight of the picture and has made it a personal vendetta and not just with me.

I regard my eight years here as a badge of honour and I have no intention of letting that go just to sign up for a new login.
Equally I am not going to sit still and take the crap that some have had to.

DaQueen....welcome to the circus.
  • #5,228
  • Apr 21, 2018 1:35pm Apr 21, 2018 1:35pm
Quoting bagXpert
{quote} After seeing my own personal data's, a complaint has been lodged to the judicial police district against you. To complete that, the company you find is authorised to exerce in all sectors cause his APE number. And we not propose to manage funds
Your words are exactly like the indian IRS scammers exposed in youtube. Can you somehow recommend me to join? Its seems fun
  • #5,229
  • Apr 21, 2018 3:40pm Apr 21, 2018 3:40pm
I don't get what is so difficult to understand. This is not rocket science. There are two parties. A buyer and a seller. The buyer just needs to hand over the cash. That's the only requirement that the buyer is required to fulfill. No evidence or proof of any kind is required at all.

Any information about the buyer, such as red member, seniority, previous trading experience, what color jocks they're wearing, etc.. has absolutely no bearing or influence on the quality of the sellers goods.

Shit is always going to be a shit, regardless of who's buying it.
  • #5,230
  • Apr 21, 2018 4:12pm Apr 21, 2018 4:12pm
Quoting kenshin
I don't get what is so difficult to understand. This is not rocket science. There are two parties. A buyer and a seller. The buyer just needs to hand over the cash. That's the only requirement that the buyer is required to fulfill. No evidence or proof of any kind is required at all. Any information about the buyer, such as red member, seniority, previous trading experience, what color jocks they're wearing, etc.. has absolutely no bearing or influence on the quality of the sellers goods. Shit is always going to be a shit, regardless of who's buying...

Been shopping again?
  • #5,231
  • Apr 21, 2018 4:21pm Apr 21, 2018 4:21pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Been shopping again?
No. Why? You got more shit for sale?
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  • #5,232
  • Apr 21, 2018 4:34pm Apr 21, 2018 4:34pm
Quoting kenshin
{quote} No. Why? You got more shit for sale? {image}
No idea. I don’t do drugs.
  • #5,233
  • Apr 21, 2018 6:25pm Apr 21, 2018 6:25pm
Quoting kenshin
I don't get what is so difficult to understand. This is not rocket science. There are two parties. A buyer and a seller. The buyer just needs to hand over the cash. That's the only requirement that the buyer is required to fulfill. No evidence or proof of any kind is required at all. Any information about the buyer, such as red member, seniority, previous trading experience, what color jocks they're wearing, etc.. has absolutely no bearing or influence on the quality of the sellers goods. Shit is always going to be a shit, regardless of who's buying...
Actually, I'll come back to this.

Do I have more shit for sale?? H'mmm.....Ok.

Ok, I'll admit it, you are quite right, whether someone is wearing red flannel knickers, G string or Banana Hammock, it doesn't make any difference to a product being sold and they have every right to make a purchase and comment on that purchase. But there is another point.

The point is there are a few aforementioned red Banana Hammocks who swan around purporting to be real life trading experts without a shred of evidence to support that fact and who then attempt to persuade other's of their incredible skill set and are held in such high esteem from other like minded Hammocks that when challenged, they exercise the right to suspend the challenger.

Those Banana hammocks are just as guilty of scamming then someone selling 'shit' as you so eloquently put it.

For those getting their backs up and who trade live, ignore the above, the vast majority though, do not.
  • #5,234
  • Apr 21, 2018 6:47pm Apr 21, 2018 6:47pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote}But there is another point. The point is there are a few aforementioned red Banana Hammocks who swan around purporting to be real life trading experts without a shred of evidence to support that fact and who then attempt to persuade other's of their incredible skill set and are held in such high esteem from other like minded Hammocks that when challenged, they exercise the right to suspend the challenger. Those Banana hammocks are just as guilty of scamming then someone selling 'shit' as you so eloquently put it. For those getting their backs...
I don't see how any person who is not actually selling (or trying to sell) a product can be considered a scam. How have they scammed when no money has changed hands? You either believe what they say or you don't.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...y/english/scam
If you pay the money for the product, then the product fails to perform as advertised, then that is a scam. If nobody pays for the product, then no actual scam has taken place. That doesn't mean that the seller is not attempting to scam, it just means that nobody has been scammed yet.
  • #5,235
  • Apr 21, 2018 7:18pm Apr 21, 2018 7:18pm
Quoting kenshin
{quote} I don't see how any person who is not actually selling (or trying to sell) a product can be considered a scam. How have they scammed when no money has changed hands? You either believe what they say or you don't. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...y/english/scam If you pay the money for the product, then the product fails to perform as advertised, then that is a scam. If nobody pays for the product, then no actual scam has taken place. That doesn't mean that the seller is not attempting to scam, it just means that nobody...

Ok, fair point, lets use a different word.
For those that attempt to hoodwink others of their trading ability, when in reality that evidence cannot be provided, can or could be called a Sham.
Are you convinced that everyone that you know, who on this forum shows a higher status than just being a member, actually trades live?
I am sure of one, if not two that I have had dealings with, that do.
Surely you must accept that a person who appears to, and continues to give the impression of being a skilled trader, and who uses that impression to influence the thought process of other traders (as in lets go mob handed to destroy a thread) ,but is then unable to prove their skill set, could, in some cases be called a sham.
It's called ethics and on this forum that is in limited supply.
  • #5,236
  • Apr 21, 2018 7:48pm Apr 21, 2018 7:48pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Ok, fair point, lets use a different word. For those that attempt to hoodwink others of their trading ability, when in reality that evidence cannot be provided, can or could be called a Sham. Are you convinced that everyone that you know, who on this forum shows a higher status than just being a member, actually trades live? I am sure of one, if not two that I have had dealings with, that do. Surely you must accept that a person who appears to, and continues to give the impression of being a skilled trader, and who uses that impression to...
Being red means nothing, as Husky has pointed out multiple times. It certainly is not an indication of whether they trade live, or what their performance is like if they do.

I can sort of see what you're saying, and I know we are talking about oHannah too, but can't you also see that his business (let's face it, it's not just a thread) was destroyed because of the random performance of the product he was selling, his evasiveness and smart ass attitude when asked about it, the risky martingale, the ridiculous size of the demo, and in his condescending attitude towards that question. "Does this mean that you are not confident to go live?". The skills (or lack of, real, imagined, or implied) of the person asking that question doesn't change the question or the answer.

It doesn't matter who looked at the random performance, who observed the martingale, or who noticed the inability to scale down reasonably. Anyone could ask them questions regardless of their status or abilities, and the answers will be the same regardless. These are the reasons oHannah has been destroyed, not because of anyone's performance other than his own.

EDIT : To answer your question: I believe a few trade live, although it's just an educated guess that has nothing to do with their status.
  • #5,237
  • Apr 21, 2018 9:02pm Apr 21, 2018 9:02pm
Quoting kenshin
{quote} Being red means nothing, as Husky has pointed out multiple times. It certainly is not an indication of whether they trade live, or what their performance is like if they do. I can sort of see what you're saying, and I know we are talking about oHannah too, but can't you also see that his business (let's face it, it's not just a thread) was destroyed because of the random performance of the product he was selling, his evasiveness and smart ass attitude when asked about it, the risky martingale, the ridiculous size of the demo, and in his...
Mark released a product, that worked for him, for how long for I do not know.
I do believe he released it to early without checking it on different brokers, you and I both know the right broker can be crucial to an EA's performance, and because of the issues reported back to him I believed then, and I do now that he genuinely attempted to fix every issue that was bought his attention.
Over time the EA changed dramatically from the original, and to be fair, he always kept me in the loop with issues that needed addressing and when he expected them to be resolved. I started to see quite an improvement around 6 weeks ago, cant remember now the version, but it was still broker dependent. The release of Ouroboros, and whether it was a previous version or not is still up for debate, but over a short period of time the two brokers I checked it on, gave very similar but positive results. I'm pretty sure Mark had cracked the broker issue, and with some brokers floating, some having zero stop levels, others greater than 4, the issue with one who advertised something and gave out something else, it was very difficult for him to replicate exactly the same results that he was seeing.
At that point Mark, rightly or wrongly, decided to offer the EA with a package, the Webinar.
At that point in jumps Red, slam dunk big pic blazoned right across, SCAMMER.....that then and still does now gets my back up. I saw a similar episode a few years back, and it wasn't nice to follow.
Hence my involvement to find out who he was and why he gets away with everything he does without comeback.
I then became a target for standing up to him, well tough, I'm not backing down until kicked off. That will come eventually.
In the mean time I paid for the EA and the Webinar.
The Webinar was an absolute eye opener and anyone contemplating building an EA would be highly advised to watch it. Some of it is basic, but so basic most on the street wouldn't even have thought about some of the broker parameters that can make or break an EA.
I do think Mark could have answered some pertinent questions better, a live trade explorer would have been great but there wasn't. That still does not mean its a scam.
I do think Mark was singled out, and there have been plenty of EA's and methods sold on here, some still are, without an on going live trade explorer and they have the comments turned off so no one can post. Mark, to give him credit let everybody post up to the point when the attacks were absolutely beyond belief. If that had been Facebook, the one receiving the attention could have informed the Police.
Emotional damage can be caused and who know's how certain individuals may take or react to it, especially if in a poor state of mind. That has to be considered in this day and age,
Fortunately Mark has now kept his thoughts to himself and I do hope he continues with the Webinars, if the first one was anything to go by, the next one should be spectacular.
  • #5,238
  • Apr 21, 2018 10:21pm Apr 21, 2018 10:21pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Mark released a product, that worked for him, for how long for I do not know.
What the heck are you talking about? It worked for him on 100K DEMO! For a short while , then he restarted it.


My 16 years old son is playing video games. They work for him too.

Read [MT4 EA] o.Hannah / WARNING - BEFORE YOU BUY once again. If you still don't get it, read 100 times!
PVSRA
  • #5,239
  • Apr 21, 2018 10:31pm Apr 21, 2018 10:31pm
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} What the heck are you talking about? It worked for him on 100K DEMO! For a short while , then he restarted it. My 16 years old son is playing video games. They work for him too.
No, it worked for home before he placed it on the market. That’s what the heck I am taking about. Great to hear your 16 year old son is playing video games. It will stand him in great stead later in life.
  • #5,240
  • Apr 22, 2018 1:57am Apr 22, 2018 1:57am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Mark released a product, that worked for him, for how long for I do not know. I do believe he released it to early without checking it on different brokers, you and I both know the right broker can be crucial to an EA's performance, and because of the issues reported back to him I believed then, and I do now that he genuinely attempted to fix every issue that was bought his attention. Over time the EA changed dramatically from the original, and to be fair, he always kept me in the loop with issues that needed addressing and when he expected...
If an EA is sensible to brokers ( fair brokers with small behaviour differences ) then that EA simply not works. Rest is only search excuses for cover the reality. And before you tell me he is awesome coder you dont forget i convert repainting crap in reliable tools. That need more skills that your dear "owner" will have in his life
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