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  • #5,161
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:41am Apr 20, 2018 3:41am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} ok tools that really make money are NOT for sale why? because are already making money.
You are right in your universe but wrong in mine where for eg. companies go public, there should be a reason ... and plenty other examples.

Your words are strongly sustained by the poor performance of many offers, ... it might be because sellers see it as a different lottery, buyers being their winning tickets.
  • #5,162
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:42am Apr 20, 2018 3:42am
I only will say even I have an advanced and profitable system im enough realistic for dont let it run without some human intervention. Then since my point of view even if i want sell EA it will not do the customer expect ( press button and forget ) Then i dont understands people say his EA is completely safer use it without human help.. And how husky told if you have something works you don't share it. Really i have a lot of requests for be part of my tester "team". Its funny because i never had one...
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  • #5,163
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:45am Apr 20, 2018 3:45am
Quoting kenshin
My system averages around 3.5% per month with almost no risk. Even just this (relatively) small rate, and I will never sell, trade for others, or share crucial details. Just compound, and live from profits. Certainly took years to get there, but now it's so easy to do.
all is well, but truth is, if one tries to compound even 20k ( a decent retail account size, and certainly a lot more than many average joe has as savings around the world!), soon end of the month comes will find that the 700$ gain for the month just not enough for the bills and not have anything left to compound.

if your dream would be to trade full time, and you only have 20k capital and a strong desire, you may want to sell your EA to raise capital, or just raise capital ( prop trading or PAMM, or such).
however, if you decide to sell your EA, and are a genuine person, you wont try to do with a high risk or irrealistic size demo, you will do with your 10-20k running and showing a history with good results...a real proof.

btw, the "(relative) small rate" equal to about 1 year interest income on average, so those who find that insufficient are better have a reality check or there will soon come a hard wake up call.
on a spreadsheet it is easy to input 2% a day every day for 1 year. in real life it is a different game entirely.
but that is a different topic
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #5,164
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:49am Apr 20, 2018 3:49am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} No mate.nothing wrong.you just need to be a bit more relaxed.like i told you in the past.you paid for that you use it good for you ,and it doesnt matter if i say i dont like it or whatever i say.enjoy it and be stress free.let behind all this flame in defending something when it comes about automated forex trading,cos market itself may prove youre worng at some point or not,why such an amount of stress and endless debates and fights with anyone who dont agree with you? this just harm your daily mood.in fact you as a customer have nothing...

That's fine mate, having seen two fantastic threads destroyed, i wasn't going to sit around and watch another one that I was interested in get nuked.
All i see at the moment is signal service after signal service, everyday the same shit, but it's a breath of fresh air actually being able to play around with a bot.

And something else i'll tell you. My opinion of EA's or Bots.....in general, I hated them with a passion. But they do and can give an extra element to trading.
I called myself moodybot...in the UK something that might not be an original part or item or just doesn't work can be called moody...and a bot we all know what that is... since then I learned to program my own EAs, but once in a while I'll buy an EA or Indicator mainly for fun.
OHannah's EA I liked.

I still do.

And one other thing. I'm in OZ now...better weather, no drizzle, but the markets are zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, so a bot for me that runs during the silly season would help.

My mate in the US has to manually trade for me, copy account style, I don't fancy pushing buttons at 3 in the morning.
  • #5,165
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:50am Apr 20, 2018 3:50am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} You are right in your universe but wrong in mine where for eg. companies go public, there should be a reason ... and plenty other examples. Your words are strongly sustained by the poor performance of many offers, ... it might be because sellers see it as a different lottery, buyers being their winning tickets.
we talk about forex tools EA and tools sellers here not about companies who sell products and services public under the laws and strong regulations.
i didnt saw last time when i was to shopping any forex tools advertised as ''holy grail shit'' at the supermarket store.there was just bread milk ,wine ,food in general.
so once again we talk about tools in forex. and once again tools that can really make money in forex are not for sale.their owners dont sell those and never will.
is just pure natural logic.
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #5,166
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:50am Apr 20, 2018 3:50am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} all is well, but truth is, if one tries to compound even 20k ( a decent retail account size, and certainly a lot more than many average joe has as savings around the world!), soon end of the month comes will find that the 700$ gain for the month just not enough for the bills and not have anything left to compound. if your dream would be to trade full time, and you only have 20k capital and a strong desire, you may want to sell your EA to raise capital, or just raise capital ( prop trading or PAMM, or such). however, if you decide...
I agree fully. But i think directly you will make PAMM. Sell a winner system is a suicide because it will be cloned
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  • #5,167
  • Apr 20, 2018 3:57am Apr 20, 2018 3:57am
This explaines easily how works this forum. First link is a technical post about why fail a quite good EA in this forum. I got one like of other coder.

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...8#post10981948

Next link is a useless post only showing how performs one test in a favorable market. I got some likes...

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...6#post10981506

First post needed some time to post it and it can be valuable. Second was 15 seconds. Now you can guess why a green TE is enough for people pay for something
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  • #5,168
  • Apr 20, 2018 4:01am Apr 20, 2018 4:01am
Quoting braintheboss
This explaines easily how works this forum. First link is a technical post about why fail a quite good EA in this forum. I got one like of other coder. https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...8#post10981948 Next link is a useless post only showing how performs one test in a favorable market. I got some likes... https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...6#post10981506 First post needed some time to post it and it can be valuable. Second was 15 seconds. Now you can guess why a green TE is enough for people...
is the usual behaviour bro.people like green. we both like it as well you know it from the other side
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #5,169
  • Apr 20, 2018 4:26am Apr 20, 2018 4:26am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} I agree fully. But i think directly you will make PAMM. Sell a winner system is a suicide because it will be cloned
The pamm is a way to go but one that put money in it must have the ultimate trust in the trader because the money are on his side. Many pamm exists, many investments too, some care on what is going on, some don't.

The very rich couple, Bob and Sue where usually yachting on Sunday's.
Time goes by, many others started to have a yacht like having a car.
Sue couldn't stand anymore and said to Bob: dear, you have to do something!
Bob started to investigate how all those afford a yacht, find out that there are some websites where some good traders offers pamms with nice % gain, many investors.
Bob is smart also, he call his rich friends for a funny bet: dears, I bet 10 milling that on day X the top 5 pamm traders from platform Y will loose all the money.
No way, one said, ... let's make it 20 million, for each top 20 traders that loose more than 80% of capital in day X, min 10 looser!
Bob: deal.
Then Bob, makes some phone calls, get in contact with the top 50 traders ...
Hi John, you are making 10% a month on your pamm, 1k your money and 100k investors money, taking 50% fee ... that's a 60k a year. I give you 250k if you loose them all the money from the pamm on day X.
John see the shortcut, deal!
Same with the others ... there were a few religious that refused, Bob let the door open!

Day X, the pamm traders started to loose money ... Bob's phone started to ring, those religious ones looking to be in too.

What a day, all the deal makers are happy, even those bet looser ... they were Bob's friends! All the problems solved, Sue will be happy!
Some clever pamm traders came with some pathetically excuses to the investors: difficult times, but you see, everybody lost money today, (nothing wrong in the end, be happy)!

Yes, pamm trading is the ultimate trust.

What about the signal or ea? I'll make it short.
Same story results already happened with some signal traders, calm was one that lost a lot a year ago ... don't know why.

How to use a signal?
Subscribe with a demo, set a copier to it to push it to your live account. At least you can apply some protections.
How to use an EA?
Same as the signal, never directly in the real account ... why? because maybe the one and only EA is really profitable but the EA owner is a funny guy, and set a random trade every 5th intended one. And many other funny things that could be set ... one was crying this year after a 10k loss because his EA started to trade huge volume, ... even the EA in it's way is funny too!

Well, that's my view with this investments, protect your money when you invest!
  • #5,170
  • Apr 20, 2018 4:34am Apr 20, 2018 4:34am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} The pamm is a way to go...
calm guy didnt lost at all.he made over 500k from subscriptions.with just a cent account trading triangulation sometime with skinny sl and tp.really smart.he just lost interes for signal at that profit level. after made such an amount of money be sure i will not have any will to keep my 100 bucks cent account for any signal.
i think he still withdraw his money from mql5 cos there are daily limits
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #5,171
  • Apr 20, 2018 5:13am Apr 20, 2018 5:13am
Quoting Tesmy
{quote} Think you are missing the point. Despite the existence of the police, there will always exist criminals, does that mean we should do away with the police? No! Having some sort of validation for vendors will make it difficult for them to simply shut up shop and come back pretending to be someone else. The user EonFx (despite being banned from forex factory in Nov-2017 for scamming), has managed to come back 5-6 times under different user names (each one eventually caught and banned). But the point is, it should not be this easy for him, or...
I'd say that I understand your point clearly but the issue is with you comprehend ing what I typed. By the simple fsct that forexfactory and fxjunction hae .Takem. Measures to protect from sca mming, the reality is that it still occurs and at the sa me rate as nefore because all you have to do is margin call to be labled a sca mmer. I have seen people burm acvounts over at fxj and simple continue trading with nothing done by the website.
Hail me for arth thou DaQueen
  • #5,172
  • Apr 20, 2018 5:14am Apr 20, 2018 5:14am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} The pamm is a way to go but one that put money in it must have the ultimate trust in the trader because the money are on his side. Many pamm exists, many investments too, some care on what is going on, some don't. The very rich couple, Bob and Sue where usually yachting on Sunday's. Time goes by, many others started to have a yacht like having a car. Sue couldn't stand anymore and said to Bob: dear, you have to do something! Bob started to investigate how all those afford a yacht, find out that there are some websites where some good traders...
I see forex as a business where you can to diversify your risk. First thing rich people learn is dont put all apples in same basket. But that dont means you have try business you dont know. But we are talking about realiable profitable system, Im not talking about "traders" need money of others for try make money theirself
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  • #5,173
  • Apr 20, 2018 5:16am Apr 20, 2018 5:16am
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} Very well put, kenshin! I think Twee should seriously consider this quote as a real life disclaimer in front of every commercial thread here!!! Of course, scammers always pull out some lame excuse why they need to sell such as not enough capital, but the real reason why is that their system does not perform as advertised, or has extreme risks. So instead of risking their money, they expect you to buy their dodgy ea, and risk your money. These people have no shame, no morals, and absolutely no compassion at all. Not only do they...
That quote also works for all the senior members whom make calls but never show their trades or make live calls. I'd guess it would ok to infer the same about their excuses as tp why they make calla but never link an account.
Hail me for arth thou DaQueen
  • #5,174
  • Apr 20, 2018 5:17am Apr 20, 2018 5:17am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} calm guy didnt lost at all.he made over 500k from subscriptions.with just a cent account trading triangulation sometime with skinny sl and tp.really smart.he just lost interes for signal at that profit level. after made such an amount of money be sure i will not have any will to keep my 100 bucks cent account for any signal. i think he still withdraw his money from mql5 cos there are daily limits
Sure. I readed is 500$ per day. He will spend half of profits in transfer fees Really he will spend half life for get the money
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  • #5,175
  • Apr 20, 2018 5:19am Apr 20, 2018 5:19am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Sure. 500$ per day. He will spend half of profits in transfer fees
still good mooooney
Take what you can, give nothing back
  • #5,176
  • Apr 20, 2018 6:15am Apr 20, 2018 6:15am
That withdraw cap of 500$ is just by default and can go higher.
  • #5,177
  • Apr 20, 2018 6:21am Apr 20, 2018 6:21am
Quoting Neptun
That withdraw cap of 500$ is just by default and can go higher.
Ok. Not idea really. I never used it but in that forum many people blame them for this...
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  • #5,178
  • Apr 20, 2018 6:34am Apr 20, 2018 6:34am
Quoting DaQueen
{quote} That quote also works for all the senior members whom make calls but never show their trades or make live calls. I'd guess it would ok to infer the same about their excuses as tp why they make calla but never link an account.
I think you mix apples and oranges here. Whatever you might think about senior or any other non-commercial member they are not SELLING anything and this is a case for another discussion. Not on this thread.
PVSRA
  • #5,179
  • Apr 20, 2018 6:54am Apr 20, 2018 6:54am
Quoting Fisher755
{quote} I think you mix apples and oranges here. Whatever you might think about senior or any other non-commercial member they are not SELLING anything and this is a case for another discussion. Not on this thread.
They're not selling anything, but running about controlling the threads without any tangible proof of trading amounts to the same thing.
Present company accepted.
  • #5,180
  • Apr 20, 2018 7:03am Apr 20, 2018 7:03am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} They're not selling anything, but running about controlling the threads without any tangible proof of trading amounts to the same thing. Present company accepted.
I think is worst sell tools using a demo account as proof. But everyone have his honestly line is a different level...
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