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  • #13,101
  • Apr 18, 2018 11:02am Apr 18, 2018 11:02am
Hypothyroidism is a condition where the thyroid gland under-produces or stops producing thyroxine or T4. T4 has a major role in regulating metabolism. Such individuals can have several issues of which gaining weight is a mild one. It does not typically cause morbid obesity. This is because most individuals who acquire hypothyroidism in the US seek medical attention for other symptoms before they become excessively obese. It is easily treated with a drug called levothyroxine that easily normalizes metabolism.
  • #13,102
  • Apr 18, 2018 11:16am Apr 18, 2018 11:16am
Some genetic syndromes such as Prader-Willi syndrome can cause compulsive eating disorders that very much can lead to morbid obesity. Individuals with Down Syndrome are often overweight as they tend to have difficulty controlling their eating habits and most need to monitored closely for this.

The current obesity epidemic and closely related increase in diabetes is largely due to the propagation of the false notion that a low-fat diet is good for you. This led to high carb diets often high in simple carbs. These type of carbs stimulate insulin release. Insulin is a hormone that when secreted by the pancreas immediately reduces blood sugar levels and initially stores excess carbs in the liver then the rest as fat. Low blood sugar stimulates appetite and thus individuals eating such a diet experience a roller coaster of eating in response to multiple low sugar events.
  • #13,103
  • Apr 18, 2018 12:38pm Apr 18, 2018 12:38pm
Quoting Winston Reed
Some genetic syndromes such as Prader-Willi syndrome can cause compulsive eating disorders that very much can lead to morbid obesity. Individuals with Down Syndrome are often overweight as they tend to have difficulty controlling their eating habits and most need to monitored closely for this. The current obesity epidemic and closely related increase in diabetes is largely due to the propagation of the false notion that a low-fat diet is good for you. This led to high carb diets often high in simple carbs. These type of carbs stimulate insulin release....
So what about the other two thirds of the population?

I don't think the lardies are worried about low fat. McDonald's isn't low fat, Dominoes, KFC, Pizza Hut..... nope, none low fat. It's a simple case of volume, nothing else.

BTW, I eat a lot of carbs.
  • #13,104
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:23pm Apr 18, 2018 1:23pm
No BJ's in Uganda.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5627507/Ugandan-president-Yoweri-Museveni-says-wants-ban-oral-sex-mouth-eating.html
  • #13,105
  • Apr 18, 2018 2:25pm Apr 18, 2018 2:25pm
Quoting jen101
No BJ's in Uganda. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5627507/Ugandan-president-Yoweri-Museveni-says-wants-ban-oral-sex-mouth-eating.html
It would seem "growling at the badger" is also frowned upon
  • #13,106
  • Apr 18, 2018 2:41pm Apr 18, 2018 2:41pm
Quoting jmn5611
.... Isn't context by definition subjective? If the edifice of truth is based on context, how can truth be universal? ....
Context is a statement of the conditions in effect when a scenario or behaviour is being considered.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,107
  • Apr 18, 2018 3:33pm Apr 18, 2018 3:33pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} So what about the other two thirds of the population? I don't think the lardies are worried about low fat. McDonald's isn't low fat, Dominoes, KFC, Pizza Hut..... nope, none low fat. It's a simple case of volume, nothing else. BTW, I eat a lot of carbs.
I was agreeing that thyroid and genetic issues are not excuses for the obesity epidemic.

There is a correlation between the abundance and availability of carbs with industrialization and technology advancement and the increase in cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity. As one goes back in time the abundance of carbs decreases. Humans historically relied on animal sources for food which is low in carbs. Carbs in any form were scarce and usually available in form of fruits, berries and vegetables if land was available to grow them. Corn, wheat and other grains were mainly used to feed animals. Cows have enormous digestive systems that allow them to digest cellulose. Humans do not. Wheat must be highly processed before humans are able to digest it and much of this is now GMO. Corn often though of as a vegatable is a grain and today is pretty much all GMO. Other diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis and other immune related diseases have also increased in correlation with human consumption of grains and especially GMO grains.

Consumption of meat/fat does causes zero insulin from the pancreas. Consumption of any grain whether wheat or corn or others will increase blood glucose and cause insulin to be released from the pancreas to decrease blood glucose to normal. This insulin response has a metabolic cost (oxidation and glycosylation) which is damaging to organs and blood vessels. In addition the consumption of grains causes the intestines to become leaky allowing abnormal molecules to enter the blood stream. The body reacts abnormally. Young individuals often profess how they burn off carbs with chronic exercise. This chronic exercise has its own costs to the musculoskeletal system. It creates chronic injury. These injured areas are exposed to the bodies immunological response to abnormal molecules entering through the digestive system. The body begins to recognize injured areas as abnormal an attacks them. Rheumatoid arthritis and other auto-immune disorders are the result.

So even though one may not be “fat” as a result of chronic excercise, there may be other consequences.

Individuals who do not exercise of course just gain weight. Sure fast-food chains are typcially not low fat but neither are they low carb. A piece or two of hormone injected beef sandwiched between two highly processed GMO wheat buns with all the sugar loaded condiments and a extra large soda loaded with high fructose corn syrup ( another man made carb) not only tips the calorie scales but causes a massive insulin release that will have the individual feeling hungry in a couple of hours despite the caloric dump.

So it’s not just will power or an individual’s lack of reasonable caloric consumption. There is a lack of knowledge about what is a “healthy diet” and is pertubated by so-called experts who push the false grain-based notion that we should have a diet high in grains, low in fat, low in red meat, etc. etc. This is the real cause of obesity, diabetes and CV disease. There seems to be a thought pattern that fat people are just gluttinous individuals with no self restraint and are deserving of our criticism, disdain and ridicule. I beg to differ.
  • #13,108
  • Apr 18, 2018 3:54pm Apr 18, 2018 3:54pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} It would seem "growling at the badger" is also frowned upon
So is dipping into the chocolate starfish.
  • #13,109
  • Apr 18, 2018 4:11pm Apr 18, 2018 4:11pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I was agreeing that thyroid and genetic issues are not excuses for the obesity epidemic. There is a correlation between the abundance and availability of carbs with industrialization and technology advancement and the increase in cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity. As one goes back in time the abundance of carbs decreases. Humans historically relied on animal sources for food which is low in carbs. Carbs in any form were scarce and usually available in form of fruits, berries and vegetables if land was available to grow them. Corn,...
Why are the Japanese not fat? They eat a lot of carbs (rice). The French eat shed loads of white bread and Italians a lot of pasta. Strange then that Americans beat all the western world on CV disease, diabetes, obesity, bowel cancer and reduced life expectancy. No coincidence then that Americans consume many times more calories than most.

I'll stick with my "unhealthy" Mediterranean / French / Japanese diet eating little meat, some fish, but lots of fresh veg and carbs. BTW, I have a BMI of 18, RHR of 60, BP 110/65 and body fat of 13.5%.

I don't believe the EU allows GM...
  • #13,110
  • Apr 18, 2018 5:14pm Apr 18, 2018 5:14pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} It would seem "growling at the badger" is also frowned upon
and badgering the growler
  • #13,111
  • Apr 18, 2018 6:06pm Apr 18, 2018 6:06pm
Quoting Winston Reed
Some genetic syndromes such as Prader-Willi syndrome can cause compulsive eating disorders that very much can lead to morbid obesity. Individuals with Down Syndrome are often overweight as they tend to have difficulty controlling their eating habits and most need to monitored closely for this. The current obesity epidemic and closely related increase in diabetes is largely due to the propagation of the false notion that a low-fat diet is good for you. This led to high carb diets often high in simple carbs. These type of carbs stimulate insulin release....
What the ketogenic diet? I heard that works well.

Quoting simond2002
{quote} It seems you may have missed a number of my other posts but it doesn't matter. Let's move this discussion away from truth for a minute and discuss facts. For the sake of context I'll assume you haven't watched Sam Holland's or Orville Nix's JFK interviews. Briefly, Holland remained adamant that he had heard at least one gunshot and seen gun smoke from the infamous picket fence. As far as Holland was concerned this was a fact and Nix's original statement corroborated it. Nevertheless, after the Warren Commission Nix changed his testimony...
I would be on the side that protects the government, because I would be a government employee.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #13,112
  • Apr 18, 2018 8:38pm Apr 18, 2018 8:38pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Why are the Japanese not fat? They eat a lot of carbs (rice). The French eat shed loads of white bread and Italians a lot of pasta. Strange then that Americans beat all the western world on CV disease, diabetes, obesity, bowel cancer and reduced life expectancy. No coincidence then that Americans consume many times more calories than most. I'll stick with my "unhealthy" Mediterranean / French / Japanese diet eating little meat, some fish, but lots of fresh .veg and carbs. BTW, I have a BMI of 18, RHR of 60, BP 110/65 and body fat of 13.5%....
The Japanese are experiencing increases in all the aforementioned diseases as Western dietary practices infiltrate their culture. I cannot speak with any authority to Italian and French dietary practices or their incidence of disease. My comments and observations are in fact related to American culture and dietary dogma. The food pyramid per the US essentially promotes low fat, low red meat and high carbs. In the US the abundance of simple unhealthy and nutritionally devoid carbs is largely responsible for the fairly recent (last 50-60 years) proliferation of CV, diabetes and obesity. It is not purely a caloric intake equation. I've mentioned previously in this thread Gary Taube and his documentation of much of what I'm speaking about here. His material is an excellent read, based in scientific studies and highly recommended.
  • #13,113
  • Apr 18, 2018 8:54pm Apr 18, 2018 8:54pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} What the ketogenic diet? I heard that works well. {quote} I would be on the side that protects the government, because I would be a government employee.
Research pertaining to ketogenic diets is proving valuable. It is inherently anti-inflammatory and is also showing promise in reducing all the diseases mentioned previously. In addition it may have an effect on preventing Alzheimers.

Humans many, many years ago thrived on a predominantly animal based diet high in fat and low in carbs. Carbs simply were not available in large quantities. Death in those times usually resulted from dangerous encounters with other humans or dangerous animals, not diet related diseases.

Ketogenesis results when the body predominantly burns fat as a source of energy rather than glucose. Some refer to glucose as a dirty fuel and fat as a clean fuel. As long as glucose is more readily available it will be used preferentially over fat. I have been on a diet that contains less than 50 gms of carbs per day and often < than 40. My urine tests positive for ketones on a regular basis. I no longer experience sugar highs and lows and I don't gain weight. My cholesterol level is 175, by trygliceride profile is perfect and my BP is 120/70. This despite a diet high in orgainic red meat, healthy fat and of course red wine. LOL. I also don't engage in chronic exercise regimens that have their own deleterious effects. I do exercise just not in excess and not because I'm trying to burn excess calories. I exercise to maintain a reasonable degree of fitness and to decrease bone and muscle mass that is inherent to aging.
  • #13,114
  • Apr 18, 2018 11:20pm Apr 18, 2018 11:20pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Research pertaining to ketogenic diets is proving valuable. It is inherently anti-inflammatory and is also showing promise in reducing all the diseases mentioned previously. In addition it may have an effect on preventing Alzheimers. Humans many, many years ago thrived on a predominantly animal based diet high in fat and low in carbs. Carbs simply were not available in large quantities. Death in those times usually resulted from dangerous encounters with other humans or dangerous animals, not diet related diseases. Ketogenesis results when...
Do you ever worry about renal function due to a diet very high in protein?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #13,115
  • Edited 12:57am Apr 19, 2018 12:19am | Edited 12:57am
Quoting simond2002
{quote} and badgering the growler
Cunning linguistics simond2002
  • #13,116
  • Apr 19, 2018 2:01am Apr 19, 2018 2:01am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Cunning linguistics simond2002
Very good.
  • #13,117
  • Apr 19, 2018 2:15am Apr 19, 2018 2:15am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} The Japanese are experiencing increases in all the aforementioned diseases as Western dietary practices infiltrate their culture. I cannot speak with any authority to Italian and French dietary practices or their incidence of disease. My comments and observations are in fact related to American culture and dietary dogma. The food pyramid per the US essentially promotes low fat, low red meat and high carbs. In the US the abundance of simple unhealthy and nutritionally devoid carbs is largely responsible for the fairly recent (last 50-60 years)...
I was talking of the traditional Japanese diet, not McD's. How about Hindus? They are mostly vegetarian and eat a lot of carbs. How about wartime Britain? Meat was scarce and carbs were relied upon to fill you up. No obesity then.

It really is that simple, eat too many calories than you need, in whatever form, be it from meat, fat or carbs and you will get fat. You cannot blame it solely on carbs!

However, I do believe that everyone is different. Once after a good session at the gym, I had a salad with fish. No carbs. In the evening I had another salad with some fish, no carbs again. I felt terrible, tired and weak. So I ate a muffin and instantly felt better. I know that some people thrive on a high protein diet, notably men. I don't. Perhaps it has something to do with muscle mass or blood group or both? If I was to race a 10k, I know what I would prefer to have beforehand, a bowl of porridge rather than a steak! Same as all the other runners I know.
  • #13,118
  • Apr 19, 2018 2:29am Apr 19, 2018 2:29am
I have a program to reduce my cholesterol level and to keep my immune system in tip-top condition: I regularly donate blood.

Quoting Winston Reed
.... Humans many, many years ago thrived on a predominantly animal based diet high in fat and low in carbs. Carbs simply were not available in large quantities. Death in those times usually resulted from dangerous encounters with other humans or dangerous animals, not diet related diseases.....
The trouble with many analyses is that the human time frame is used as a metric. Also there is not a lot of data from more than a few hundred years ago. You don't have to go back very far to discover that poor diet and a lack of understanding of disease-transmission (or even any understanding of what disease is) were the main causes of death. Some horrendous statistics have surfaced. Today the life expectancy of a man dwelling 'on the street' is longer than that of a woman in the same environment. Neither makes it past 50 (on average). Compare that with those who have a secure place to live and a reasonable food supply. [ figures taken from various MSM sources, so apply the usual dose of scepticism ]
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #13,119
  • Apr 19, 2018 2:50am Apr 19, 2018 2:50am
German police investigate anti-Semitic attack in Berlin http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43812273
  • #13,120
  • Apr 19, 2018 3:03am Apr 19, 2018 3:03am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Cunning linguistics simond2002
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