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  • #221
  • Apr 18, 2018 12:40pm Apr 18, 2018 12:40pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Until I do that, maybe you'll check if my (BE)formula is mathematically correct. If so, you can trade fairly risk-free with good trend strategies.
Swingman,

BE formula you have mentioned is same as to what Voldermar said in his video.

BE = [(P1 * B1) + (P2 * B1) + (P3 * B1) - (P1 * S1)] / (B1 + B1 + B1 - S1)

This formula gives us the breakeven or makes total 0.

1. what you are suggesting is we open 1 buy & 1 sell.

2. If the price moves in BUY direction, we build the grid on buy direction and move the TP (for all BUY orders)/ SL(for the sell order) to Breakeven price/ AweragePrice (Voldermar)

3. If price moves up 5 levels on grid, we close all orders. - 5 BUY orders + 1 Sell Order. - Grid (Network Orders) makes Profit

4. And if price moves down, All order close at break even.


This would work, we building on trend direction, and rest we closing on break even - or small loss.

I was saying the same on BUY & SELL alternative. But you have made it easier for all to understand.

Lets try these 4 steps into code and test the EA. As we have AweragePrice/Breakeven Price Calculation


note: Average is spelt Awerage to match what is being used in the code by Voldermar.
  • #222
  • Apr 18, 2018 12:44pm Apr 18, 2018 12:44pm
Quoting cdsaa
{quote} Swingman, BE formula you have mentioned is same as to what Voldermar said in his video. BE = [(P1 * B1) + (P2 * B1) + (P3 * B1) - (P1 * S1)] / (B1 + B1 + B1 - S1) This formula gives us the breakeven or makes total 0. 1. what you are suggesting is we open 1 buy & 1 sell. 2. If the price moves in BUY direction, we build the grid on buy direction and move the TP (for all BUY orders)/ SL(for the sell order) to Breakeven price/ AweragePrice (Voldermar) 3. If price moves up 5 levels on grid, we close all orders. - 5 BUY orders + 1 Sell Order....
formula
Awerage price = (OpenPrice1*Lot1 + OpenPrice2*Lot2 + OpenPrice i * Lot i )/(Lot1+Lot2+Lot i);
Awerage price = 0

(Op1 * L1 + Op2*L2 + Opi*Li)/(L1+L2+Li)=0 Profit = 0
My topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/1399775-vr-trade-panel-profe
  • #223
  • Apr 18, 2018 12:48pm Apr 18, 2018 12:48pm
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} I don't know, I'm sorry, can you paint it all one step at a time ?
I have tried to paint my concept, sorry if I failed to explain well.
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  • #224
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:01pm Apr 18, 2018 1:01pm
Quoting rockit
... You forgot to include "smCommentsPanel_Includes_v1.0.mqh".
Now I have the explanation after looking at the enlarged picture.
(It is true that I understand slowly, instead I forget quickly!)

It is an error message! Voldemar forgot to save the .mqh file in the "Includes" folder.
  • #225
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:02pm Apr 18, 2018 1:02pm
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} formula Awerage price = (OpenPrice1*Lot1 + OpenPrice2*Lot2 + OpenPrice i * Lot i )/(Lot1+Lot2+Lot i); Awerage price = 0 (Op1 * L1 + Op2*L2 + Opi*Li)/(L1+L2+Li)=0 Profit = 0
BUY - 0.01 / 1.23602 ------ SELL - 0.01 / 1.23602
BUY - 0.01 / 1.23702
BUY - 0.01 / 1.23802

Average Price - 1.23752

How did you calculate this Awerage Price.

It is same formula.


(0.01*1.23602)+(0.01*1.23702)+(0.01*1.23802)-(0.01*1.23602)/(0.01+0.01+0.01-0.01)

Calculated Average Price - 1.23752

BE = [(P1 * B1) + (P2 * B1) + (P3 * B1) - (P1 * S1)] / (B1 + B1 + B1 - S1)
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  • #226
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:32pm Apr 18, 2018 1:32pm
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} ok Price dw Buy *1.5 _________Sell +0.01 0.01*1.5 = 0.02 ___0.01+0.01 = 0.02 0.02*1.5 = 0.03 ___0.02+0.01 = 0.03 0.03*1.5 = 0.05 ___0.03+0.01 = 0.04 0.05*1.5 = 0.08 ___0.04+0.01 = 0.05 0.08*1.5 = 0.13 ___0.05+0.01 = 0.06 Ok Close all buy remained 1 sell lot 0.06 Price up Sell *1.5 ________Buy +0.01 0.06*1.5 = 0.09 __0.01 = 0.01 0.09*1.5 = 0.14 __0.01+0.01 = 0.02 0.14*1.5 = 0.21 __0.02+0.01 = 0.03 So?

Whether the price is up or down, initial lot size is same for buy and sell.

ok
Price dw

Buy 0.01_________________Sell 0.01
0.010*1.2 = 0.012 ______0.01+0.01 = 0.02
0.012*1.2 = 0.014 ______0.02+0.01 = 0.03
0.014*1.2 = 0.017 ______0.03+0.01 = 0.04
0.017*1.2 = 0.021 ______0.04+0.01 = 0.05
0.021*1.2 = 0.025 ______0.05+0.01 = 0.06
0.025*1.2 = 0.030 ______0.06+0.01 = 0.07
0.030*1.2 = 0.036 ______0.07+0.01 = 0.08
0.036*1.2 = 0.043 ______0.08+0.01 = 0.09
0.043*1.2 = 0.052 ______0.09+0.01 = 0.10
0.052*1.2 = 0.062 ______0.10+0.01 = 0.11
0.062*1.2 = 0.074 ______0.11+0.01 = 0.12
0.074*1.2 = 0.089 ______0.12+0.01 = 0.13
0.089*1.2 = 0.107 ______0.13+0.01 = 0.14
0.107*1.2 = 0.128 ______0.14+0.01 = 0.15

Close all BUY & SELL together. No remaining. No balance.
Price for Close all is Average price of BUY.

The above pattern is good for trending market, if the daily price move is above 60 pips.
If the price turn back, say after 30 pips move, take small loss and close the whole thing, or you can keep both BUY and SELL positions open until the market trends.
  • #227
  • Apr 18, 2018 2:14pm Apr 18, 2018 2:14pm
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Whether the price is up or down, initial lot size is same for buy and sell. ok Price dw Buy 0.01_________________Sell 0.01 0.010*1.2 = 0.012 ______0.01+0.01 = 0.02 0.012*1.2 = 0.014 ______0.02+0.01 = 0.03 0.014*1.2 = 0.017 ______0.03+0.01 = 0.04 0.017*1.2 = 0.021 ______0.04+0.01 = 0.05 0.021*1.2 = 0.025 ______0.05+0.01 = 0.06 0.025*1.2 = 0.030 ______0.06+0.01 = 0.07 0.030*1.2 = 0.036 ______0.07+0.01 = 0.08 0.036*1.2 = 0.043 ______0.08+0.01 = 0.09 0.043*1.2 = 0.052 ______0.09+0.01 = 0.10 0.052*1.2 = 0.062 ______0.10+0.01 = 0.11 0.062*1.2...
no
is for rounding of lot 0, 01 the third sign is not in lots

0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01
0.01*1.2 = 0.01

It's math and rounding.
My topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/1399775-vr-trade-panel-profe
  • #228
  • Apr 18, 2018 2:33pm Apr 18, 2018 2:33pm
Quoting KashifNawaz
...I have tried to paint my concept, sorry if I failed to explain well.
Thank you KashifNawaz for your contribution!
I would be glad that we would both trade in forex at the same time, because we know the law: in order to win, someone has to pay for it ...

From your beautiful example, I would do the following with the SnowBall system:

# After my technical analysis, I guess that the trend is going down
A cycle consists of 4 orders.

cycle 1
- at level 1, buy and sell 1 lot
(if the trend goes up, I close both orders with +-0 result)
- in trend direction with your 300 pips grid, always order 1 lot per grid (4 times, on level 1, 2, 3 and 4)

- at exit level 5 we have (300 * 4 + 300 * 3 + 300 * 2 + 300 = +3.000 pips)
- the sell order loses -300 * 4 = -1.200 pips

- the result is +3.000 - 1.200 = + 1.800 pips

cycle 2
- at level 6, buy and sell 1 lot
- calculate as above with a grid of 350 pips until level 10

- the result is +3.500 - 1.400 = +2.100 pips


For more complicated fluctuations may not be so good, you have to test that ...
  • #229
  • Apr 18, 2018 3:46pm Apr 18, 2018 3:46pm
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} no is for rounding of lot 0, 01 the third sign is not in lots
Nah, you do not do the rounding; only in ordersend function you normalize the calculated lot.
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  • #230
  • Apr 18, 2018 8:47pm Apr 18, 2018 8:47pm
Quoting jdva
{quote} Yes...do agree same issue here, VR 18-47 does not work properly in forward testing, it opens one buy and one sell positions and then stops opening further trades...at least for me. Perhaps others have more luck...then I would like to see a corresponding forward/live test report. Thx, jdva
Hi i do have multiple orders of the same pair same direction open. Perhaps it's some settings? May:e u can try it in the tester first to see if multiple orders can be opened
  • #231
  • Edited 10:10pm Apr 18, 2018 9:46pm | Edited 10:10pm
Attachment 4
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File Type: ex4 VRSmartGrid18-47-sm.1.ex4   24 KB | 407 downloads
File Type: mq4 VRSmartGrid18-47-sm.1.mq4   33 KB | 593 downloads
  • #232
  • Apr 18, 2018 10:41pm Apr 18, 2018 10:41pm
Quoting rodolfolm
2766780 {file} {file}
what did you add rodolfolm.
  • #233
  • Apr 19, 2018 1:46am Apr 19, 2018 1:46am
Quoting rodolfolm
2766780 {file} {file}

if you have compilation error, try change this string
Inserted Code
#include "smCommentsPanel_Includes_v1.0.mqh"
to
Inserted Code
#include <smCommentsPanel_Includes_v1.0.mqh>

smCommentsPanel_Includes_v1.0.mqh can be downloaded here:
Quoting SwingMan
I have just made a few minor changes. You can reload the previously posted files. {file} {file}
  • #234
  • Apr 19, 2018 2:35am Apr 19, 2018 2:35am
Quoting rodolfolm
2766780 {file} {file}
Thanks Rodolfolm for adding initial lot parameter schemes. We will have more control with these options and display panel is nice addition

however, while backtesting, it is generating errors in journal "Oder Modify Error" "Order send error"

Did you back testes this?
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  • #235
  • Apr 19, 2018 3:22am Apr 19, 2018 3:22am
I've made some tests with these Type Lot functions. In my opinion the "Step Lot" is not properly working.
But over all it is an improvement. Thanks!
  • #236
  • Apr 19, 2018 6:24am Apr 19, 2018 6:24am
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} no is for rounding of lot 0, 01 the third sign is not in lots 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 0.01*1.2 = 0.01 It's math and rounding.
Hello Voldemar,
Thanks for your reply. Please see below my explanations.

To reduce the lot size, let us multiply to the buy orders with 1.5 only to the alternative trades.
Sell side, add 0.02 (or 0.01) to every new trades.

Example, Price is down.

Buy ----- 0.01 Sell ----- 0.01
0.01*1.5 = 0.02 ______0.01+0.02 = 0.03
0.02*1.0 = 0.02 ______0.03+0.02 = 0.05
0.02*1.5 = 0.03 ______0.05+0.02 = 0.07
0.03*1.0 = 0.03 ______0.07+0.02 = 0.09
0.03*1.5 = 0.05 ______0.09+0.02 = 0.11
0.05*1.0 = 0.05 ______0.11+0.02 = 0.13
0.05*1.5 = 0.08 ______0.13+0.02 = 0.15
0.08*1.0 = 0.08 ______0.15+0.02 = 0.17
0.08*1.5 = 0.11 ______0.17+0.02 = 0.19
0.11*1.0 = 0.11 ______0.19+0.02 = 0.21
0.11*1.5 = 0.17 ______0.21+0.02 = 0.23
0.17*1.0 = 0.17 ______0.23+0.02 = 0.25
0.17*1.5 = 0.26 ______0.25+0.02 = 0.27
0.26*1.0 = 0.26 ______0.27+0.02 = 0.29
0.26*1.5 = 0.38 ______0.29+0.02 = 0.31
0.38*1.0 = 0.38 ______0.31+0.02 = 0.33
0.38*1.5 = 0.58 ______0.33+0.02 = 0.35
0.58*1.0 = 0.58 ______0.35+0.02 = 0.37
__________________________________
Total Buy = 3.37 Sell = 3.61
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Close all BUY & SELL together. No remaining. No balance.
Price for Close all is Average price of BUY.
With the above model you will have profit around $250 for a 90 pips price move (see attached calculations).

The above pattern is good for trending market, if the daily price move is above 60 pips.
TP (based on average price + 5 pips margin) for all open trades is fixed only after price movement of 50 pips.
If the price turn back, say after 30 pips move, take small loss and close the whole thing, or you can keep both BUY and SELL positions open until the market trends.
Further, you can open another new group of positions as per the initial trade triggering mechanism and repeat the above steps.

Please let me know if you need any clarification.
Thanks,
Attached File(s)
File Type: xlsx Live example of profit calculation.xlsx   14 KB | 346 downloads
  • #237
  • Apr 19, 2018 6:44am Apr 19, 2018 6:44am
How about using the profit of the hedge trades to close the losing trades so that when the profit of the first hedge trade breaks even with the loss of the first opened losing trade both trades are closed at BE. This would bring the average losing price closer to the market price.
  • #238
  • Apr 19, 2018 8:33am Apr 19, 2018 8:33am
Quoting TraderTero
How about using the profit of the hedge trades to close the losing trades so that when the profit of the first hedge trade breaks even with the loss of the first opened losing trade both trades are closed at BE. This would bring the average losing price closer to the market price.

This is what I proposed in my above post but no one interested.
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  • #239
  • Apr 19, 2018 9:04am Apr 19, 2018 9:04am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Thank you KashifNawaz for your contribution! I would be glad that we would both trade in forex at the same time, because we know the law: in order to win, someone has to pay for it ... From your beautiful example, I would do the following with the SnowBall system: # After my technical analysis, I guess that the trend is going down A cycle consists of 4 orders. cycle 1 - at level 1, buy and sell 1 lot (if the trend goes up, I close both orders with +-0 result) - in trend direction with your 300 pips grid, always order 1 lot per grid (4 times,...
Thanks SwingMan for your thoughts. I tried to understand your strategy. Once it is written in code, only then we test how it works. However it is different what I suggested above. Lets see if any one took interest and make some minor changes in the code.
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  • #240
  • Apr 19, 2018 9:56am Apr 19, 2018 9:56am
Hello Dear Coders (Voldamer / rodolfolm and all other respected coders here on FF)

Can you please see my below posts and briefly let me know, if this is feasible to code?

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...4#post10976014
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...4#post10977394
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...5#post10977645

I reality, with this strategy, with help of low spread broker which offers zero hedge margin, by using lot multiplier 1.3 or 1.5, we can reduce our DD a lot.
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