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  • #181
  • Apr 17, 2018 1:02pm Apr 17, 2018 1:02pm
Quoting Voldemar227
I see everyone wants hedge protection, I know what it is. Offer a good way to work with hedging and I'll program it. Please just think through everything carefully! I've been programming since 2009, I love order networks and in 9 years I haven't found a good way to hedge. ((( I found good ways to calculate the lot, good ways to enter the market. But with hedging, I didn't solve the problem. There is a way to get away from hedging and from networks completely, but I will not be able to explain it yet, I do not know the language.
Hello Voldemar227,
Further to my post no. 139,
Please go through 3 examples given in separates sheets of excel file attached here.
It is not 100% hedging. But it covers major portion of the risk (depends the multiplication factor you choose).
With this pattern, though your risk is not reduced to zero, your risk tolerance is increased since it is partly hedged.
If you need any clarifications, please ask me.
Attached File(s)
File Type: xlsx add-strategy for hedging.xlsx   271 KB | 315 downloads
  • #182
  • Apr 17, 2018 1:20pm Apr 17, 2018 1:20pm
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Hello Voldemar227, Further to my post no. 139, Please go through 3 examples given in separates sheets of excel file attached here. It is not 100% hedging. But it covers major portion of the risk (depends the multiplication factor you choose). With this pattern, though your risk is not reduced to zero, your risk tolerance is increased since it is partly hedged. If you need any clarifications, please ask me. {file}
I saw your file and I saw your calculations.
Tell Me you consider the spread and Commission ?
Do you understand that buy Orders will be closed at bid price and sell at Ask price ?
You understand that (Ask - Bid) > 0 ?
My topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/1399775-vr-trade-panel-profe
  • #183
  • Apr 17, 2018 1:35pm Apr 17, 2018 1:35pm
Quoting Voldemar227
Well let's see the translation of the text will help subtitle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhXTvI0x1Vk
Hello Voldemar227,
If I understood your video correctly, you are looking for the following formula.

Let us assume:
Trade Prices = P1, P2, P3, .....Pi
Trade Lots = L1, L2, L3, .....Li

Total cost/value of Trades = (P1*L1)+(P2*L2)+(P3*L3)+........+(Pi*Li)

Total lot size = L1+L2+L3+.......+Li

Therefore, average price = [(P1*L1)+(P2*L2)+(P3*L3)+........+(Pi*Li)]/(L1+L2+L3+....Li)

From the above, we got average price and total lot size. By using these figures, we can close all open positions.

Average price * Total lot size = Total cost/value of Trades.

Hope the above info helps.
Regards,
  • #184
  • Apr 17, 2018 1:48pm Apr 17, 2018 1:48pm
Quoting Voldemar227
{quote} I saw your file and I saw your calculations. Tell Me you consider the spread and Commission ? Do you understand that buy Orders will be closed at bid price and sell at Ask price ? You understand that (Ask - Bid) > 0 ?
Hello,
Yes, I have taken 0.5 pip as spread. You can see it in the example, line no. 34, first trade, difference between BUY price and SELL price.
No commission is considered, since there are several brokers offering commission-less trades.
For closing total orders, Same price was taken for Buy order and Sell order. That need to be corrected. So, a small reduction in profit will reflect there.
Yes, I know, (Ask-Bid) > 0. This matter is covered when I took 0.5 pip as spread.

Hope the above explanation satisfies.
  • #185
  • Apr 17, 2018 2:02pm Apr 17, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Hello Voldemar227, If I understood your video correctly, you are looking for the following formula. Let us assume: Trade Prices = P1, P2, P3, .....Pi Trade Lots = L1, L2, L3, .....Li Total cost/value of Trades = (P1*L1)+(P2*L2)+(P3*L3)+........+(Pi*Li) Total lot size = L1+L2+L3+.......+Li Therefore, average price = [(P1*L1)+(P2*L2)+(P3*L3)+........+(Pi*Li)]/(L1+L2+L3+....Li) From the above, we got average price and total lot size. By using these figures, we can close all open positions. Average price * Total lot size = Total cost/value of...

It makes it break even. = 0 all the time.

then you add what ever minimum profit is needed.
  • #186
  • Apr 17, 2018 2:46pm Apr 17, 2018 2:46pm
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Hello Voldemar227, If I understood your video correctly, you are looking for the following formula.
He got that already. Everyone who makes martingales got that.
And I know no "no-commission" broker with a spread of 0.5, usually it is 1.5+, turning out to be more than when commission-based.
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  • #187
  • Edited 5:37pm Apr 17, 2018 4:27pm | Edited 5:37pm
Hello Voldemar,
Thanks for your trading ideas.

I have briefly tested the system and made a few small changes to understand better the algorithm:
- different colors for buy / sell orders
- Info-Panel for Comments
- colored horizontal lines for the AveragePrices

Here is the code with my changes, if anyone is interested.
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  • #188
  • Apr 17, 2018 5:36pm Apr 17, 2018 5:36pm
I have just made a few minor changes.

You can reload the previously posted files.
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File Type: mq4 VR Smart Grid Lite for ff Trall 18-47-sm.mq4   23 KB | 587 downloads
File Type: mqh smCommentsPanel_Includes_v1.0.mqh   12 KB | 621 downloads
  • #189
  • Apr 17, 2018 9:14pm Apr 17, 2018 9:14pm
Swingman into the fold. nice.

@swingman - any ideas towards hedging.
  • #190
  • Apr 17, 2018 9:20pm Apr 17, 2018 9:20pm
Quoting rockit
{quote} He got that already. Everyone who makes martingales got that. And I know no "no-commission" broker with a spread of 0.5, usually it is 1.5+, turning out to be more than when commission-based.
Hello,
Pls check the broker GCI Financial Ltd.
Their ECN:EA Trading prices are with no-commission and less than 0.5 pips for EURUSD, USDJPY and EURGBP.
  • #191
  • Apr 17, 2018 9:41pm Apr 17, 2018 9:41pm
Quoting SwingMan
I have just made a few minor changes. You can reload the previously posted files. {file} {file}
Hello SwingMan,
Nice to see you here.
Please note, I am getting error message when I compiled your program, and it is not possible to copy to the MT4 chart.
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  • #192
  • Apr 17, 2018 9:50pm Apr 17, 2018 9:50pm
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Hello SwingMan, Nice to see you here. Please note, I am getting error message when I compiled your program, and it is not possible to copy to the MT4 chart. {image}
copy mqh file into include folder.
  • #193
  • Apr 17, 2018 11:39pm Apr 17, 2018 11:39pm
Quoting cdsaa
{quote} copy mqh file into include folder.
Thanks a lot. It is fine now.
  • #194
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:18am Apr 18, 2018 1:18am
Quoting Voldemar227
Another interesting version of the EA, a new approach to trading. The algorithm works like this, trail order, the order is closed, opened again a few A whole new algorithm, I hope you keep up with me ? Here I publish only what works, dozens of versions I throw out and give only the best. I give you thoughts and code ))))) Thanks to all the testers! At the end of the month 10-15 testers get all my programs for free! {file}
Hello Voldemar,
Could you please share the criteria for trade triggering and the multiplication factor that you are applying for buy and sell.
Thanks,
  • #195
  • Apr 18, 2018 1:47am Apr 18, 2018 1:47am
Quoting Voldemar227
Another interesting version of the EA, a new approach to trading. The algorithm works like this, trail order, the order is closed, opened again a few A whole new algorithm, I hope you keep up with me ? Here I publish only what works, dozens of versions I throw out and give only the best. I give you thoughts and code ))))) Thanks to all the testers! At the end of the month 10-15 testers get all my programs for free! {file}
Hello Voldemar,
See attached screenshots of two years back test with default set up.
The conclusion is, draw down is very high.
$1000 account did not survive two years, whereas $3000 account survived with reasonable profit, though not very attractive.
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  • #196
  • Apr 18, 2018 2:23am Apr 18, 2018 2:23am
Quoting jdva
{quote} Yes...do agree same issue here, VR 18-47 does not work properly in forward testing, it opens one buy and one sell positions and then stops opening further trades...at least for me. Perhaps others have more luck...then I would like to see a corresponding forward/live test report. Thx, jdva

Same here. EA v18.47 working fine in back testing but on VPS forward testing, it opens two (buy/sell) trades and then does nothing. Already running for last 22 hours.
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  • #197
  • Edited 3:50am Apr 18, 2018 2:43am | Edited 3:50am
Only for Voldemar:

You can use your avatar for the .ex4 file:

#property icon "/Images/Voldemar227.ico"
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File Type: zip Voldemar227.zip   12 KB | 529 downloads
File Type: ex4 VR Smart Grid Lite for ff Trall 18-47-sm.ex4   34 KB | 374 downloads
File Type: mq4 VR Smart Grid Lite for ff Trall 18-47-sm.mq4   23 KB | 464 downloads
  • #198
  • Apr 18, 2018 4:34am Apr 18, 2018 4:34am
Quoting SwingMan
Only for Voldemar: You can use your avatar for the .ex4 file: #property icon "/Images/Voldemar227.ico" {file} {file} {file} {image}
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My topics: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/1399775-vr-trade-panel-profe
  • #199
  • Apr 18, 2018 6:10am Apr 18, 2018 6:10am
Quoting Voldemar227
I see everyone wants hedge protection, I know what it is. Offer a good way to work with hedging and I'll program it. Please just think through everything carefully! I've been programming since 2009, I love order networks and in 9 years I haven't found a good way to hedge. ((( I found good ways to calculate the lot, good ways to enter the market. But with hedging, I didn't solve the problem. There is a way to get away from hedging and from networks completely, but I will not be able to explain it yet, I do not know the language.
I will try to explain in simple words. You can add parameter, "Martingale Hedge Level", If user enters 8, then at 8th martingale trade, EA will open 2 equal hedge trades. Lets suppose martingale multiplier is 2 then following will be first 7 levels in downtrend

Buy .01, Buy .02, Buy .04, Buy .08, Buy .16, Buy .32, Buy .64,

So once martingale level will reach 8th level, EA will open 2 trades (Buy 1.28, Sell 1.28) Sell trade will have trailing SL of 7 pips.

Scenario 1:
If price moved up, it will hit SL and if price move down again, then after 10 pips (from where trailing SL hit), same trade of 1.28 will open. This will continue unless price take enough retracement to close all martingale cycle

Scenario 2:
If price kept moving down then at every martingale level, 2 new equal buy sell (hedge) trades will kept opening (Sell trade always with tight trailing SL of 7)

Buy 2.56, Sell 2.56
Buy 5.12, Sell 5.12

Finally price will retrace, all Sell trades will hit trailing SL of 7 pips and increase some balance and free margin of your account. If price takes enough retracement required to close all buy trades at profit then fine. Otherwise

Scenario 3:
3 levels hedge trades open, Sell SL hits and price start moving down once again, in this case, a trade will open 10 pips below (where SL was hit) lot size equal net difference of Martingale Hedge level till current level. In our example, our start level is 8th (1.28), and current martingale level is 5.12 so new trade will be 3.84 lots. And same process will continue (SL 7, new trade below 10 pips where SL hit)

I tried this manually on a martingale EA last year and it worked couple of times. But one day, I was not in front of my laptop (driving to the office), EURJPY moved 150+ and it blasted my account. So I believe, if your broker is offering lowest spread and zero hedge margin then this idea can work.

If hedge margin is zero then your 50 Lot Buy - 48 Lot Sell, margin will be used Only for 2 Lots.

This strategy will not completely remove risk from your trade, but at least, it will work as defense to martingale and increase your chances to survive one sided move of 350+ pips. Normally, in one-sided movement, price moves faster and without much retracement until it reach its destination and take U-turn.

Your suggestion for improvement will be highly appreciated. Thanks
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  • #200
  • Apr 18, 2018 6:19am Apr 18, 2018 6:19am
Quoting Voldemar227
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In #Post 198 you have the file with the corresponding property line "#property icon "/Images/Voldemar227.ico"

Entzip Vldemar227.zip and save the .ico file in the Images folder.
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