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  • #4,961
  • Edited 7:21pm Apr 9, 2018 7:07pm | Edited 7:21pm
Quoting mrdfx
{quote} o.Hannah my post was not directed specifically at you, but as you are a commercial member selling a product on FF, you do fall into the category of whom I'm talking about. I am sure you are just a developer trying to market your products on FF, and not trying to scam anyone like many other fake commercial members here, and I am not targeting you directly, my post is aimed at all commercial members. I have looked at your thread and seen the results of your EA, and I can see it is performing relatively well and is in profit so far, so why...
I see we're all on the Ignored club now for asking the questions which matter. Not that it's any great loss.

OHannah: There can be only two reasons for you not wanting to run the ea on a live account. Either it's not suitable at all, and crashes sometime in the near future, or it can't be scaled down to a reasonable account size. Instead, as is usual with you we have an array of pathetic excuses:

1) Don't want to divulge personal finances. (Is the limit of your personal finances 5-10k? Sorry, I didn't realize you were poor.)
2) You're drunk. (I was not)
3) Demo performance is equal to live. (Frog shit)
4) You're attacking me and not respectful to me. (Sure, now I am but the original question was not)

Sorry that my respectfully asking questions related to running your ea on a LIVE account was too much for you. You morph into an extremely delicate snowflake once you want to avoid answering any questions. Sorry for asking the glaringly obvious, if your demo is so great as you think it is, why are you not running LIVE? We have paid LIVE money, and you knew by accepting payment that we will most certainly be wanting to run what we paid you for on a LIVE account, so why aren't you????? Instead of a straight answer to a valid question you just act hurt, pull out the above excuses, and put people on ignore.

From organizing backtesting to trying to get LIVE performance figures, you have made every effort to avoid any kind of legitimate scrutiny.

Anyway, we can't all wait for years while you're not ready for Live. I waited from 1/1/2018 till now which I was led to believe was going to be a final release. I think it's enough time for you to get your shit together properly. I can't see what became final with your ea on 1/1 even now. We have partial backtesting support, no live performance stats, can't even control user abuse of the ea. You don't supply a manual, or even basic user guide either. Instead you expect people to pay to learn how to use it via webinars.

Asking questions about any of these obvious issues results in the excuses detailed above, the hurt snowflake act, and ignore.

Just to add, you are not any measurable loss for me. My LIVE system made the LIVE money I spent on your half-baked system back in less than 24 hours.

Initially I was happy to support you. Now I can clearly see that you work against anything that makes any kind of progress towards a real LIVE final product within a reasonable timeframe. We all know the real reason why that is, and it ain't about showing a live account with 5k in it.
  • #4,962
  • Apr 9, 2018 7:51pm Apr 9, 2018 7:51pm
Quoting kenshin
{quote} I see we're all on the Ignored club now for asking the questions which matter. Not that it's any great loss. OHannah: There can be only two reasons for you not wanting to run the ea on a live account. Either it's not suitable at all, and crashes sometime in the near future, or it can't be scaled down to a reasonable account size. Instead, as is usual with you we have an array of pathetic excuses: 1) Don't want to dive personal finances. (Is the limit of your personal finances 5-10k? Sorry, I didn't realize you were poor.) 2) You're drunk....
It’s a shame it’s turned out this way but everyone has an opinion.
Best of luck with your trading, it appears you do not require a commercial product, indeed as you have a proven track record perhaps you would be suited to having a red label rather than some of the demo red label experts with zero track record. In fact perhaps a thread showing the red labels who have a verified track would go a long way to helping the newbies decide who to follow and who not.
  • #4,963
  • Apr 9, 2018 8:37pm Apr 9, 2018 8:37pm
Quoting moodybot
{quote} It’s a shame it’s turned out this way but everyone has an opinion. Best of luck with your trading, it appears you do not require a commercial product, indeed as you have a proven track record perhaps you would be suited to having a red label rather than some of the demo red label experts with zero track record. In fact perhaps a thread showing the red labels who have a verified track would go a long way to helping the newbies decide who to follow and who not.
Thankyou for at least having the decency to respect my opinion. Please keep in mind that I have no bad feelings with you and I truly hope we can continue as friends.

Regarding oHannah, I hope it works out for him too. I assume my expectations of him are not in line with the reality of that which he is able to provide. Much as he would tell you otherwise, I have never had any personal agenda. For me it always has and always will be about performance. At one stage I would have been more than happy to work with him to help bring this ea to it's logical conclusion. For me, that's a bona fide backtestable live ready ea. If he answered and said that it fails in backtest, or can't be scaled, then we can ALL WORK TOGETHER to work on solutions that can fix them problems. Instead he has taken it as personal attacks and that we are working against him, not with him when we try to find the true answers to these valid questions.

There needs to be a real problem with the ea which would explain why he is not trading in live, but in order to find the answer to that problem, we need know what the problem is first. The answer is not to ignore everyone, or to avoid a true answer. I'm sorry that oHannah has not been able to see this, or to carry on a debate about it without resorting to the "you're not respecting me, you're attacking me, you're drunk, my personal finances are cia level security, etc." and whatever other diversion he can invent that results in not answering. My father would say "Grow some balls, deal with your shit, and don't be a fucking coward."
  • #4,964
  • Apr 9, 2018 8:41pm Apr 9, 2018 8:41pm
Quoting kenshin
{quote} I see we're all on the Ignored club now for asking the questions which matter. Not that it's any great loss. OHannah: There can be only two reasons for you not wanting to run the ea on a live account. Either it's not suitable at all, and crashes sometime in the near future, or it can't be scaled down to a reasonable account size. Instead, as is usual with you we have an array of pathetic excuses: 1) Don't want to divulge personal finances. (Is the limit of your personal finances 5-10k? Sorry, I didn't realize you were poor.) 2) You're drunk....
I had originally planned on not returning to this thread but as I now see you are a alleged customer of mine. On the date you bought my software, there was not only no live account, but in-fact no demo account either. I really want to know what attracted you to my software. In the time we have spent together you have been eager to tell me of your coding and trading abilities, and to help me develop, and for that I have been thankful.

What attracted you to my product? I surely want to know if now after your purchase, you also purchased a right to demand things that were never promised. I get that you are hurt, but who is hurting you? You like the others on the ignore list did a good job making it onto that list and now you are all very bitter about it. I had originally wanted to leave you off that list Kenshi, but you showed that you are one of these people and not one of my people. E-mail me soon and lets talk, I don't think anyone is confused that what you want right now is to simply shout into the wind here in the scammer's thread.

o.Hannah
  • #4,965
  • Apr 9, 2018 8:51pm Apr 9, 2018 8:51pm
Quoting oHannah
{quote} I had originally planned on not returning to this thread but as I now see you are a alleged customer of mine. On the date you bought my software, there was not only no live account, but in-fact no demo account either. I really want to know what attracted you to my software. In the time we have spent together you have been eager to tell me of your coding and trading abilities, and to help me develop, and for that I have been thankful. What attracted you to my product? I surely want to know if now after your purchase, you also purchased a...
As expected, another non-answer. You're not worth my time any more.
  • #4,966
  • Apr 9, 2018 8:55pm Apr 9, 2018 8:55pm
I too am sad it has come to this.
  • #4,967
  • Apr 9, 2018 9:39pm Apr 9, 2018 9:39pm
Quoting oHannah
I too am sad it has come to this.
oHannah..Kenshin..no need for this, work together. Both of you are top notch coders, sort it out privately.
  • #4,968
  • Apr 10, 2018 2:51am Apr 10, 2018 2:51am
[quote=moodybot;10949396]This latest round robin of targeting an individual by heavy hitters...(dubious red label experts), reminds of a similar vein a few years back. One member, a highly experienced ex pro trader decided to show a different way to trade, that involv

Hi, you make some good points..
i agree with you and i would not touch anything for sale on FF as a very high majority of pitches is worthless.
BUT their are one or two with merit.
No one sells a winning method, i did but that's a long story and to my advantage thgen i retrired.

You must agree though, if some one is selling a product based off a demo account, it has to be a bit suspect?

trade well and enjoy the fun of FF
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #4,969
  • Apr 10, 2018 3:23am Apr 10, 2018 3:23am
Quoting billytt
Quoting moodybot
This latest round robin of targeting an individual by heavy hitters...(dubious red label experts), reminds of a similar vein a few years back. One member, a highly experienced ex pro trader decided to show a different way to trade, that involv Hi, you make some good points.. i agree with you and i would not touch anything for sale on FF as a very high majority of pitches is worthless. BUT their are one or two with merit. No one sells a winning method, i did but that's a long story and to my advantage thgen i retrired. You
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Yes I totally agree with you.
I know exactly where you are coming from with the demo trading, its a chance that I am taking along with all other forum members who have subscribed.
We are all adults here, or should be, we can all see its a demo account, the ball in the china shop approach from some to discredit what is obviously a demo account really does pi55 me off. o'Hannah isn't hiding a fake live account, he isn't showing an account that is trying to scam people, if he was, then he too would fake a live account.
I'm hoping o'Hannah and Kenshin will break bread and converse again, and I expect a copy of your profitable trading method to be on my desk by 9am tomorrow morning...

M.
  • #4,970
  • Apr 10, 2018 3:51am Apr 10, 2018 3:51am
Quoting moodybot
{quote}{quote}...
Yes I totally agree with you. I know exactly where you are coming from with the demo trading, its a chance that I am taking along with all other forum members who have subscribed. We are all adults here, or should be, we can all see its a demo account, the ball in the china shop approach from some to discredit what is obviously a demo account really does pi55 me off. o'Hannah isn't hiding a fake live account, he isn't showing an account that is trying to scam people, if he was, then he too would fake a live account. I'm hoping o'Hannah and Kenshin will break bread and converse again, and I expect a copy of your profitable trading method to be on my desk by 9am tomorrow morning... M.[/quote]

It doesn't matter how much a person makes as long as it is a percentage %%%.
i love a person who example makes 5% per day/trade than a FF maestro who says i only made 130 pips today..(worthless)

i now trade off the 08-00 15 minute bar unless i am recovering a bad trade. ( i had a bad trade this morning)
i tell people what i am doing.
i can quite easily falsify records and even run a dodgy live ea.

i cannot show you a copy of my account because if my girl friend sees it, she will know i am ripping her off lol.. (joking)..

It is very easy for a person to take a basket of pairs have them put into correlated groups and run a demo.
the winning biased pairs are traded more and losers less.
This is an excellent winning method BUT you need a massive bank. demo land it is easy but in reality it is impossible unless you are a pro unit.

i would love to see the guys selling stuff just put down records of 1 or 2 traded pairs. This is a lot harder to sell.
Regards trade well
SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #4,971
  • Apr 10, 2018 4:21am Apr 10, 2018 4:21am
Quoting moodybot
This latest round robin of targeting an individual by heavy hitters...(dubious red label experts), reminds of a similar vein a few years back. One member, a highly experienced ex pro trader decided to show a different way to trade, that involved multi-currency indirect hedging, no stop loss.... Now from the start that thread got absolutely hammered, vilified and finally trashed by the red label experts. It was like Great Whites chomping at a whale carcass. A complete frenzy. Why? I'll tell you, I never found out why, but I suspect one thing, that...
what do you think of a trade sequence like this:
0.01-0.02-0.06-0.18-0.54-1.62-4.86-6-10-20

do you suggest it is a healthy sequence?
do you think just because you can impose a sequence like that on a 100k or so equity, a 10k account would happily bare the same drawdown? or a 3k?

i treasure enthusiasm, like your, as long as it is not blindfolded.
once in a while look behind the curtain and ask the right questions from yourself.

“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
― Mark Twain
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #4,972
  • Apr 10, 2018 5:03am Apr 10, 2018 5:03am
For me that sequence of numbers are similar like a cameras aperture f, brings more light in shady environment. and I can shoot Mr Marti's' face in darkroom.
  • #4,973
  • Apr 10, 2018 5:20am Apr 10, 2018 5:20am
Hi everyone, I will give you my personal opinion about the software and the problem for oHannah with his EA.

When you run the real version on demo account, for example 3000 $ account, the gain and the loss are very small, only 2 or 3% gain per month, or 4/5% of drawdown per month and oHannah know that.

I think he have find another way to use his software, and is to trade manually, that's why you can see 20 lots on eur usd, etc...he have change his trading and made the Ouroboros an assistant. This is why he have propose a webinar.

BUT.... I have paid for an automatic systeme, because I use already my own algorithm,and I don't have time to trade manually. I hope with the new version, I can FINALY use it in real account, and having real good result, not tiny result like we can ALL see in our demo account.

I give to oHannah, the benefice of the doubts, and I wait the new version. But if it's always the same thing (drawdown, long time to recover it... profit... tiny profit...drawdown and again long time to recover etc..) I will be very unhappy and don't use it at all, because wining 100 $ per month, or losing 100$ month is just ridiculous.

Regards,
GregV
  • #4,974
  • Edited 6:13am Apr 10, 2018 5:55am | Edited 6:13am
To all you folks who are happy handing over hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to someone showing amazing results on a demo account:

Please contact me.....

I have a bridge to sell you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker

As much as I dislike MetaQuotes business practices, even THEY won't allow you to subscribe to a demo signal with a real account. Why do you think that is?
  • #4,975
  • Apr 10, 2018 6:26am Apr 10, 2018 6:26am
Quoting BSFilter
To all you folks who are happy handing over hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to someone showing amazing results on a demo account: Please contact me..... I have a bridge to sell you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_C._Parker As much as I dislike MetaQuotes business practices, even THEY won't allow you to subscribe to a demo signal with a real account. Why do you think that is?
lol, wonderful.....

i too have an offer to our lovely gullible FF members
i >>>
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have for sale, a genuine real unicorn , please make offers
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SEE LINE,TRADE LINE..PRICE HAS TO GO SOMEWHERE,,, PRICE WILL GO SOMEWHERE.
  • #4,976
  • Apr 10, 2018 6:29am Apr 10, 2018 6:29am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} what do you think of a trade sequence like this: 0.01-0.02-0.06-0.18-0.54-1.62-4.86-6-10-20 do you suggest it is a healthy sequence? do you think just because you can impose a sequence like that on a 100k or so equity, a 10k account would happily bare the same drawdown? or a 3k? i treasure enthusiasm, like your, as long as it is not blindfolded. once in a while look behind the curtain and ask thright questions from yourself. “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” ― Mark...

Thankyou for the quote.
Why are you asking me about a martingale sequence?
Im sure there is a point to it.
  • #4,977
  • Apr 10, 2018 6:55am Apr 10, 2018 6:55am
Quoting moodybot
{quote} Thankyou for the quote. Why are you asking me about a martingale sequence? Im sure there is a point to it.
are you not here to discuss an EA and the seller of it?
it is strongly relate to your purchased EA and the demo showcased...feel free to look up the trade list if have not yet.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #4,978
  • Apr 10, 2018 6:59am Apr 10, 2018 6:59am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} are you not here to discuss an EA and the seller of it? it is strongly relate to your purchased EA and the demo showcased...feel free to look up the trade list if have not yet.
Please stop, its so obvious this witch hunt is a matter of personal pride to you now.

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o.Hannah
  • #4,979
  • Apr 10, 2018 7:11am Apr 10, 2018 7:11am
Quoting oHannah
{quote} Please stop, its so obvious this witch hunt is a matter of personal pride to you now. {image} o.Hannah
not really.
i dont use a 100k demo to sell something great that is
A. a triple martingale in disguise, and showcased as a safe EA to lure more buyers....there is plenty free martingale EAs, soft, real, or even triple around
B. i dont trade variations of 0.01 lot to 20 lot and claim that it is scaleable

if you feel i witch hunt...nah, you already made that job for yourself.
you only have "alleged customer of mine" if someone put forward points you dont like.
not to mention those not customers who you so very hard try to discredit making yourself look stupid in the progress.

an extreme martingale demo account is your claim to fame with occasional huge manual trades thrown in?
taht, while advertising an EA?

please stop bothering me, and look your demo account again.
i feel sorry for any buyers who in the end get lured for something that is by far from what was promised.
admit, originally it was intriguing what was proposed, but demo after demo versions came and gone, and still waiting for any client to come forward with a working live set.
contrary what you think, i was hoping you succeed...and it doesnt make me glad in any level that you turn out to be the snake oil seller you are.
but facts are facts, and your "demo history" for the latest and greatest for 720$ is there to anyone to see if not blind!
now try to use that same lot sizes on 3k, and say it works.

it doesnt have to come to this, but i dont care it had. your demo history is fake. you are fake. time for unsuspecting hopefuls not doing their homework to see it too!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #4,980
  • Apr 10, 2018 7:13am Apr 10, 2018 7:13am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} please stop bothering me
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