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  • #821
  • Edited 2:48pm Mar 12, 2018 2:18pm | Edited 2:48pm
Today I did a littel bit of a robot shoot-out, forward test (time: ~0700-2000 CET): xBest RV3.41 (both engines on, all else @default) vs Ilan 1.8 (posted in this thread) vs my own beast: xBest did not perform very well (cannot recommend); Ilan is far better; and my own the best (and there is room for improvement!).
Here the result, all net negative pips attributable to xBest. Without xBest, net profit would have been at least 50% higher. It is not really surprising, xBest's decision logic is very primitive. TF was M1. BTW, account is like 30% up, despite heavy robot testing.
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  • #822
  • Mar 12, 2018 2:48pm Mar 12, 2018 2:48pm
Trade explorer added. Gprime ECN on VPS. At this moment only 2 pairs. And XBest V2.2.

AUDJPY : will dance mostly during Asian session
GBPCHF : same during London session
WTI USOIL : to be added anytime theses hours.

Theorically: non correlated pairs ( to avoid account OVERexposure to a specific currency) and a commodity ..so, not all eggs in a same basket.
Settings ( will share here in next posts) , should provide a 10-15% monthly with an average DD each of MAX 35%.So,I agree this DD might be higher then
the one year 28 Feb 2017 to 7 Feb 2018 tested with tick data suite (Birtīs). Backtests did not took under consideration , slippage , comissions , swaps.
Starting balance is 5,000 ( $cents) DEMO.According to what I saw in my backtests ...these pairs are not trending at the same time during past year and do not
have the same momentum.I guess ( or pray...lol) that both trending at the same time will not occurs ...till I have doubled the balance to withstand this.
No news filter, one trade per candle, MA 58 direction , max spread filter on , grid spacing > 20 pips.
  • #823
  • Mar 12, 2018 8:14pm Mar 12, 2018 8:14pm
Hi Folks , I know that backtesting is almost useless ( as many others say) ...but we have to start from some point , since it would be mad to start only with forward
testing , and doing changes at each account blowup . Here is what I came across to , when double checking settings ( THE PLAIN SAME SETTINGS) , with Birt tick data suite and 99,90% results ... same 10 points spread...same everything.

EA Tested is V2.2

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  • #824
  • Mar 12, 2018 9:42pm Mar 12, 2018 9:42pm
Quoting rockit
Today I did a littel bit of a robot shoot-out, forward test (time: ~0700-2000 CET): xBest RV3.41 (both engines on, all else @default) vs Ilan 1.8 (posted in this thread) vs my own beast: xBest did not perform very well (cannot recommend); Ilan is far better; and my own the best (and there is room for improvement!). Here the result, all net negative pips attributable to xBest. Without xBest, net profit would have been at least 50% higher. It is not really surprising, xBest's decision logic is very primitive. TF was M1. BTW, account is like 30% up,...
Where is your beast.
  • #825
  • Mar 12, 2018 10:39pm Mar 12, 2018 10:39pm
Quoting stefdek
Hi Folks , I know that backtesting is almost useless ( as many others say) ...but we have to start from some point , since it would be mad to start only with forward testing , and doing changes at each account blowup . Here is what I came across to , when double checking settings ( THE PLAIN SAME SETTINGS) , with Birt tick data suite and 99,90% results ... same 10 points spread...same everything. EA Tested is V2.2 {image} {image} {image}
same leverage and currency?
  • #826
  • Edited 11:53pm Mar 12, 2018 11:02pm | Edited 11:53pm
Settings for GBPCHF , AUDJPY , WTi ( USOIL)

Ea is here :
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...9#post10811339
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File Type: mq4 xBest_V2.2.mq4   54 KB | 2,396 downloads


EACH PAIR MUST BE SET WITH A DIFFERENT MAGIC NUMBER : whatever your taste 7799 , 7711 , luxurious 6969 or daredevil 666.

WTI USOIL ( one trade per each 30 min candle)
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GBPCHF
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AUDJPY
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These are the settings I am using on DEMO in the TRADE EXPLORER ( TE) attached to this thread .....

BEWARE : theses settings are NOT perfect , they were found backtesting and optimizing on my Broker which name is on my TE. This is an ECN broker and MIGHT NOT
work very well with your broker...
Try to use Birt data suite ( tick history) ...there is a 15 days demo free period there where you can download all historic tick data for whatever pair,cfd,commodity you want to test. ( Thanks for the tip Andrew-) .

Once you have downloaded the data suite...restart your MT4 platform ....open strategy tester and you will have a new dropdown button here :
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You will then have more accurate results in both backtesting and optimization than using mt4 history buid-in tools.

When testing do NOT forget to look at your spread for each pair tested. Strategy tester spread is in POINTS ( not pips ..thanks Cescof) , so make your calculations
accordingly ...add few points for slippage ... AUDJPY backtested with 10 points (1 pip) while my ECN broker has ( 0,5 pips/points) ...the spread meter is provided
into your MT4 platform indiīs ..and it is just to confuse you a little more ....I will try to find here at FF a better spread indi ..wether in pips or point.

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  • #827
  • Edited 11:48pm Mar 12, 2018 11:29pm | Edited 11:48pm
Quoting rodolfolm
{quote} same leverage and currency?
Good Point .... different leverage ...I thought they were all 1/400 .
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Usefull Indiīs spreads in pips ...account Info with leverage ...margin ...swap costs ,etc ...
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  • #828
  • Edited Mar 13, 2018 9:56pm Mar 12, 2018 11:30pm | Edited Mar 13, 2018 9:56pm
xBest v2.25 = Correction of the Pip calculation according to the quotation digits.
Correction of the calculation of Pip in Spread in Grid due to correction of v2.24
Manual operation implemented (only works in demo or real, it does not work in the backtest).

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xBest v3.43 = Correction of the calculation of Pip according to the quotation digits.
Correction of the calculation of Pip in Spread in Grid due to correction of v3.43
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File Type: ex4 xBest_V2.25.ex4   58 KB | 843 downloads
File Type: mq4 xBest_V2.25.mq4   72 KB | 1,249 downloads
File Type: ex4 xBest_RV3.43.ex4   63 KB | 1,007 downloads
File Type: mq4 xBest_RV3.43.mq4   85 KB | 1,834 downloads
  • #829
  • Mar 12, 2018 11:39pm Mar 12, 2018 11:39pm
Quoting stefdek
{quote} Good Point .... different leverage ...I thought hey were all 1/400 . {image} {image} {image}
All these variables make a difference
  • #830
  • Mar 13, 2018 3:24am Mar 13, 2018 3:24am
Mach2 mindstorms is really fantastic.But ı can critisize it on some perspectives.

1-There is no need more filtrations.According to me it louds options table.Hi- lo critere is enough.There is no need equity coution and other filtrations(time volality news spread filtrations are useless according to me).
2-İf we can see hi lo or moving avarage on the graph it would be better.

Rodolpho thanks for your efforts for this EA.İ will evaluate it much by working on it timely.
  • #831
  • Mar 13, 2018 3:34am Mar 13, 2018 3:34am
dear rodolfolm, first of all thank you for your EA sharing in this great community. im testing it live account with small fund. will post the result when i got enough trades to show.

can i ask what is the difference between Xbest 2.2x and RV3.x series ?
  • #832
  • Mar 13, 2018 3:43am Mar 13, 2018 3:43am
Quoting falanca
Mach2 mindstorms is really fantastic.But ı can critisize it on some perspectives. 1-There is no need more filtrations.According to me it louds options table.Hi- lo critere is enough.There is no need equity coution and other filtrations(time volality news spread filtrations are useless according to me). 2-İf we can see hi lo or moving avarage on the graph it would be better. Rodolpho thanks for your efforts for this EA.İ will evaluate it much by working on it timely.
You can always disable those filters if you don't want them. I only the otherhand would appreciate those options during forward testing. You nver know when the market sentiment spike whenever there's news impact. So is better to stay away from trading for that moment.
  • #833
  • Mar 13, 2018 3:51am Mar 13, 2018 3:51am
İ have an idea for Mach2 mindstorms EA;Can we add such an option; Open Hedge order when drawdown passes X(For example 100) loss with the half of absolute value of the difference lot of orders(buy and sell orders).This hedge order will work on seperate engine and will be closed when DD comes to Y(50).İf DD goes 200 then another Hedge order will be openned with same principles and first one will be closed.This will limit the losses and perhaps will develop profits also.
  • #834
  • Edited 5:44am Mar 13, 2018 5:05am | Edited 5:44am
Quoting rodolfolm
{quote} An ex4 is a black box and nobody likes it. I will share the mql4. At the moment I am working on the idea of dutchmen "kill oldest loosing positions with newest winning positions". But I'm also working on a version with pending orders. I'll post here when mature.
Hi Rodolfo,

are you actually still working on that hedge option quoted and if yes, could you make any progress? I expressly appreciate your working on new EAs but.. IMHO I think we should first try to improve the older ones, otherwise we may lose track of the entire project.
I have forward tested RV3.4 (BTW I like the max. lotsize feature which I'm missing in RV2.2) with the two engines activated but was not very successful. Those two engines seem to operate not very smart as you have already said yourself. Hence I believe a good hedging function like above from dutchmen and/or from bgntrs would help very much to reduce the DD and allow the EA to survive a longer time!
BTW...I like the TE and backtests of stefdek...because they provide some important clues for us.

Stay tuned and good luck for your demanding work... jdva
I never lose - either I win or I learn...
  • #835
  • Mar 13, 2018 5:59am Mar 13, 2018 5:59am
xbest 3.4 till now good result
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  • #836
  • Mar 13, 2018 7:34am Mar 13, 2018 7:34am
What your setting samekhanok
  • #837
  • Mar 13, 2018 8:19am Mar 13, 2018 8:19am
Quoting jdva
{quote} qtd. = short for quantidade
Thanks jdva!
  • #838
  • Mar 13, 2018 8:57am Mar 13, 2018 8:57am
Quoting mercilez
dear rodolfolm, first of all thank you for your EA sharing in this great community. im testing it live account with small fund. will post the result when i got enough trades to show. can i ask what is the difference between Xbest 2.2x and RV3.x series ?
v2.x = 1 Motor

v 3.x = 2 Motors [BUY / SELL] ise disabled works same as v2.x
  • #839
  • Mar 13, 2018 9:04am Mar 13, 2018 9:04am
Quoting falanca
Mach2 mindstorms is really fantastic.But ı can critisize it on some perspectives. 1-There is no need more filtrations.According to me it louds options table.Hi- lo critere is enough.There is no need equity coution and other filtrations(time volality news spread filtrations are useless according to me). 2-İf we can see hi lo or moving avarage on the graph it would be better. Rodolpho thanks for your efforts for this EA.İ will evaluate it much by working on it timely.
These filters are just parts to mount the EA. I'm creating the parts (Signals, Filters, Motors) and then I define whether or not I use EA similar a Lego.
  • #840
  • Mar 13, 2018 9:16am Mar 13, 2018 9:16am
Sure I see rodolfolm,ı just said it is too much.How do you think about my hedging project for mindstorms version.And can we see Hi-Lo and moving avarage indicators on the charts.
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